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Update: This post on O P Nayyar carries the unique distinction with the highest number of views and comments on any maestro on the web.You can listen to the podcast of my tribute in a programme dedicated to the Legendary O.P. Nayyar on PodioIndia Ep 31
Updated: 28th Jan07: A legend is no more.Shri O.P. Nayyar has passed away. An era has come to a close with him. None can replicate him and never will there be another Nayyar saab..May his soul rest in peace and in the knowledge that he is loved, admired, respected and will never be forgotten..
The finality of death is stark. One cannot die with the dead.. at best one can mourn for them.. Let us feel solace in the fact that he perhaps lives on in his melodies, and will continue to do so for aeons. The sadness that creeps in at such news is beyond mere words.
He suffered a cardiac arrest all of a sudden, probably still under the care of his foster family, in Thane..the destituteness of his last 12 years, when his family allegedly forsake him, a witness to the vagaries of life…sad but true.
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Who can forget the lilting, romantic numbers unforgettable renderings, which had a distinct feel, recognisable in the choice of accompaniments, the piano, sax, acoustics and then the soulful strain of melody..
*Pukarta chala hoon main.. galli galli bahaar ki..bas ek shaam zulf ki..bas ikk nigaah pyar ki
*Chain se humko kabhi aapne jeene na diya (electrifying combination of asha Bhosle and O.P)
*balma khuli hawwayein.. mehki hooyi fizaayein, dil chhahta hai mera, behekna iddhar uddhar
*Woh huns ke mile humse..hum pyar samajh baithe
*Aap yunhi agar humse milte rahe.. dekhiye ek din pyaar ho jaayega (makes you want to fall in
love all over again)
*Sawan ki ghata chhayi, yeh dekh ke dil jhooma.. lee pyar ne angdayi , deewaana hua badal. (Rafis attitude..unbeatable)
*Aap ke hassen rukh..pe aaj naya noor hai..mera dil machal gaya..toh mera kya qasoor hai
*Ishaaraon ishaaron mein dil lene wale bataa yeh hunar tune seeha kahaan se
*humdum mere maan bhi jaao kehna mere pyaar ka..
*Poochho na humme hum unke liye, kya ya nazrane laaye hai, dene ko mubarak baad unhe aankon me aansoo aayen hain”
The list is endless..I can go on and on.. singing and typing.. reliving the days of school and college competitions when many of his compositions had led me to the coveted goal.
The news that fate had dealt him a rather severe hand, chokes one with despair. Apparently, his family had forsaken him and he had to seek refuge with some kindly souls who took him in as their guest…for the last few years..as reported . The vicissitudes of life can daze even those who appear most unfazed by emotion. But the smile never left him, nor did the glow from his face. I guess this is the mettle saintliness depicts. A calm beatific demeanour, even if everything material has been lost.
My father always said “chadhte sooraj ko hi salaam hai”..Who worships the setting sun, its only the rising which is heralded.
This man a powerhouse of talent, perhaps the only Music Director of those days whose name would appear on the billboards of the films over and above the cast and crew and read something like ‘O.P.Nayyars so and so”. Today he is forgotten, unknown, to most .
In the days of yore, when his contemporaries were stalwarts who were steeped in classical training like S.D.Burman, Naushad, Jaidev, Madan Mohan, he was perhaps the only music director who could not read music and had no classical training. Imossible to believe if you hear ‘Chhota sa balma, anknhiyan neend chura le gayo” or ‘ woh hans ke mile humse’. Every nuance of the ‘harkatein’ and ‘murkiyaan’ perfectly placed. His heart spoke and he recorded music which has eventually defied time. I cannot recall any of his tunes, being unsuccessful, which is a commendable feat in itself.
His signature tune with the hoof clicks in songs like ‘Maang ke saath tumhaara‘ or ‘haule haule saajna’ from Saawan Ki ghata, was unprecedented. Use of the ‘sarangi’ was innovative ..in fact he must have been the first to embellish his songs with its soulful strains.
I remember seeing him recently on the musical show “Sa re ga ma pa” which I watch because of the high calibre of the participants, where he was accorded a standing ovation by the audience and a programme was dedicated to just his songs. His quiet dignity and poise apart from his signature white attire and hat, made him a striking picture of health and elegant calm.
Who could have imagined that after the adulation and celebration of an hour of the show, he returns to an almost monastic solitude of either a Hotel room or an adopted family !!
What is fame, then, in the final analysis. Only a fickle food on a shifting plate. A temporal recognition by those who you dont know and whose concern for you is ephemeral..If this story does not prove it, none will.
‘Fame is a vapour, popularity an accident; the only certainty is oblivion”
‘chal akela chal akela chal akela- tera mela peechhe chhota rahi chal akela’..is perhaps what he bids us adieu with..
‘Phir miloge kabhi is baat ka vaada kar lo, humse ek aur mulaqat ka vaada kar lo‘..is probably what the heart yearns to say..
instead we have to accept reality and murmur ‘ Bahut shukriya badi meherbaani’.. your songs are imcomparable and will never fail to tingle us, almost contagiously with the joy with which you have composed them!
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Sohail Rana music composer from Pakistan famed for the hauntingly melodious ghazal, one of my absolute favourites ‘ Mujhe tum nazar se gira toh rahe ho, mujhe tum kabhi bhi bhula na sakoge’...speaks emotionally of his last call to O.P Nayyar Saheb a month back..scroll down comments.
Ashwini Karandikar, his adopted daughter too has left a comment, on her life with the legend.
Ashraft through his comment has informed us of his passion for O.P.Nayyar’s music and that he has laboriously collected every single song composed by the maestro. Incredible! True passion and grit which needs to be lauded. Priceless treasure is now his !
Kaveetaa Kaul
Friends please click on the header of the video box ‘Kavees Video collection’ . It will open a page which has on its left a category ‘ O P Nayyar hits’ and lower in the Community section a contributor ‘O P Nayyar Hits(me , trying to display build another vodpod for Op ji on this page , didnt happen so inserted it as an option here )
Clicking on the category ” O.P. Nayyar Hits” will bring you to a collection of his songs, which you can listen and watch…something I do often to uplift my spirits.
Updated 16th Jan’09..OP Nayyar jis birthday today. Krishna Baru ji sent me a T shirt printed with OPs photograph. What better day to share it with you all.
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Kaveetaa,
it is sooo sad..the industry is heartless..here today gone tomorrow.
when i hear his songs now, I will always remember this article.
Comment by puja — April 16, 2006 @ 3:29 pm |
Ohhhhhhhhh the background music of violin by OP Nayar, it breaks my heart, it teached me about the defination of romantic love, I will never forget my most loving and favourite the best music composer of world, Mr OP Nayar, Can somebody please mail me or contact me in phone to let me know that, where can I purchase the background violin music of OP NAYAR in kolkata, I love and respect him like mad, his songs make me crazy to love somebody, why this great man died , we are so unlucky to born in 1970, because we missed his music in our college days, tears are falling from my eyes for his death when I am writing this mail, my email id is babai_tm@yahoo.co.in and phone number is 9163963848, 9163800244, please someone let me know where can I get his lovely romantic background music of violin, which breaks my heart and make my mood full in romance, He is the angel of romance. Rahul (kolkata)
Comment by Rahul Banerjee — June 8, 2013 @ 12:07 pm |
But it is rare that he is out of the house and his family is in luxury..
speaks a lot about the man.
Comment by Anonymous — April 16, 2006 @ 4:23 pm |
God ..these songs.. I love them..I had no idea these were his!
But then he was so much before my time.. I am only 20. Todays lot is good too.
But his is different..clean and melodious
Comment by Monica — April 16, 2006 @ 6:08 pm |
one of my absolute favourite…how many nights have i spent listening to ‘ phir wohi dil laya hoon’ and ‘ek musafir ek haseena’
he was awesome…
must do a post on him for sure…
may i quote a song that he composed written by another genius
Kaifi Azmi
” andhere kya ujaale kya
na yeh apne na woh apne
tere kaam aayenge pyaare tere armaan tere sapne
zamana tujh pe ho barham
na aaye rahbar mausam
bahaarein phir bhi aati hai
bahaarein phir bhi aayengi”
Comment by silbil — April 17, 2006 @ 8:59 am |
Puja,
why just the industry.. I think it is true of the universe in general.Nobody has time to maaintain ties ..emotions are the most useless emotion to nurture in these days of materialism..
Anonymous.. yeah. Come to think of it. He seems to have taken on the struggle for himself. I maybe wrong but I sensed a detachment and yogic air about him. He did not the least look as if he was cursing his situation or juncture in life. Very resigned to it and witnessing it all with a calm. The smile on his face seemed to say it all.
Monica..He was before my times too. but his music is timeless. We grew up with R.D., but I loved O.P. always. And still do. He is unmatchable and inimitable..
Silbil,
yes.. I loved the song you mentioned..’woh hans ke mille humse’ is also from the same film and Kaifi Azmi..The last of the mohicans..kaifi Saab.You remember ‘waqt ne kiya kya haseeen sittum’ from Kaagaz ke phool? Neither those makers. nor lyrics, nor music..Itna thehraav. Today everything has to be pulsating alive or then it is re-mixed to be so. Wonder why?
Comment by Kaveetaa Kaul — April 17, 2006 @ 11:31 am |
Lovely songs .. O.P.nayyar.
Thanks kaveetaa. I think you have done hima great sevice by bringing up his story. It needed to be told. Personal live and public lives are always diverse. God does not give everybody everything. But if he is stoic about it as you have said , then he has been blessed. I just have to download more of his songs on my i-pod.
Comment by Neha — April 17, 2006 @ 12:09 pm |
Thanks Neha,
I guess the purpose of blogging is to bring out issues which merit attention. If I had turned my cheek on this one, then all the years that I have loved his tunes and loved singing them would somehow have seemed fake and hollow.
How often is it that composers like O.P. Nayyar grace the planet? The man is almost 80 now. He needs to feel his life has been well lived.His talent well rewrded. Just doing my 2 bit.
🙂
Comment by Kaveetaa Kaul — April 17, 2006 @ 1:49 pm |
O P Nayyar called me beti
Comment by romi mathur — April 16, 2011 @ 10:50 pm |
nAYYAR SAHIB WAS MUSIC DIRECTOR OF MY ERA.1950-1970. Remember Dilip ji and vyjaynti mala ji film NAYA DAUR, and the song. ude jub jub zulfein teri..and old movie of GURUDUTT.mr and mrs 55. the song PREETAM AAN MILO.such was the melody now difficult to find.
May God bless NAYYAR DA WITH LONG ,AND HEALTHY LIFE.
Comment by rahim chundrigar — August 5, 2006 @ 5:58 am |
Ji rahim saab..He deserves a lot more from our generation as well. Legends such as him are hard to come by. His name is synonymous with melody and will remain so. I love that song from naya daur I think.. “maang ke saath tumhaara maine maang liya sansaar”..I was not born then I think.yet it struck a chord.. there is something timeless about his melodies.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — August 5, 2006 @ 12:30 pm |
a nice post about op nayyar. didnt know much about him, but what i read here was admirable!
Comment by tarini — September 13, 2006 @ 12:43 am |
Thanks Tarini. He is a legend. They dont make it like ’em anymore..RD burman, Sd burman, OP Nayyar, Madan Mohan..These geniuses relied on nothing but melody..Accompaniments enhanced, maybe a sarangi here and a sitar there..but it was not as if acoustics were the pillar of the song..They need to be remembered time and again or else will be forgotten underneath the noise of re-mixes.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — September 13, 2006 @ 7:30 pm |
Hi !
I am on of the fan of Late O.P.Nayyar sahab, I have almost total songs of Nayyar sashab but I have few of his film’s song is not with me like Film ‘Do Ustad’ Mr. Lamboo, Mujrim.
If u have reply me.
Jamshed
09820592162
Mumbai
Comment by Jamshed Khan — January 13, 2010 @ 3:11 pm |
Folks
Here is a mesage from someone who is writing a biography on OPN called “OP NAYYAR – When Rhythm Was King”. The book is about 40% done and I have two publishers already interested.
Apart from my love for this great man, this will also prove that music has no boundaries. I am from Pakistan.
I have been his fan since I was 4 ( am now 54). I live in Boston but we are in regular touch. My database has even those songs which he has forgotten he has composed. We sometimes sing on the phone together. We first met in Dubai in June 1995 during OP Nayyar Nite.
Listen to
Thandi thandi hawa, mujhe unka pata (Asha/Geeta)
Chal Akela tera mela peeche choota ( Mukesh)
Aao huzoor tumko sitaron mein le chaloon ( Asha)
Akeli Hoon Mein Piya Aa ( Asha in Sambandh)
Phir Miloge Kabhi Is Baat ka Vaada( Asha/Rafi)
Hoon Abhi Mein Jawaan Ae Dil ( Geeta Dutt)
Ae Dil Ae Deewane ( Asha in Baaz 1952)
Hear out Ja ja ja ja bewafa from Aar Paar to go with Chein se hamko kabhi, the Asha classic.
OP Nayyar was a legend – big time.
Cheers,
Siraj Khan
Comment by Siraj Khan — October 22, 2006 @ 6:48 pm |
Absolutely Siraj..they.. dont make legends like these any more..each song a masterpiece. All the ones u have mentioned..especialy Phir miloge kabhi. did u mean you talk to him regularly?? if so please let him know there are a host of people who love and respect him. This post gets the maximum hits..each day from those who google for him to prove that even in this age of noise from Reshamiyas it is he who is being remembered..melody outlasts all..even the sands of time.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — October 24, 2006 @ 3:52 pm |
op nayyar was a great music director.hats off to him.
Comment by nishant — December 6, 2006 @ 4:24 pm |
O P Nayyar is a great composer and I would say he is the God’s gift to our music. It is very sad that very juniors like A R Rehman and others already been conferred with awards like “Padmashree” and O P N was ignored always. It is high time and he should be awarded with this year’s “Dada Saheb Phalke Award” for his outstanding contribution to Music world.
Comment by G N Murty — December 9, 2006 @ 8:06 pm |
Great thought Mr. Murthy..he veritably deserves the ‘Dadasaheb Phalke’ award..but all said and done, irrespective of Governmental acknowledgements, his music is such that it will outive maybe even us and our generation, leave alone his own..wherefore the need for awards! This is his greatest achievement and his greatest reward a place in all music lovers’ hearts.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — December 12, 2006 @ 3:14 pm |
I have no words to express my feelings about this greatest music composer(according to me he is the best) and am a great obscessed fan of O.P. Nayyar.
Whenever I listen to his songs it takes me back to my golden days of my child hood which I enjoy and relish.
I pray that this great Music composer comes back once again and gives us lot of music for us to enjoy.
May god gives him good life.
Comment by Prabhakar — January 6, 2007 @ 11:10 am |
Not a single song composed by him has been plagiarised or lifted..despite other music directors even then being ‘inspired” from other melodies. He was original, unique and one of his kind..the world will ever see another O.P. Nayyar.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — January 6, 2007 @ 11:32 am |
A legend,great composer,no one can forget mr. nayyar.
Comment by RAJNEESH — January 13, 2007 @ 8:52 pm |
tumasa nahi dekha… sanjeev, 28 jan 2007
Comment by Anonymous — January 28, 2007 @ 5:14 pm |
How true Sanjeev..
Tumsa nahin dekha Nayyar Saheb..
May your soul rest in peace..
Om
Comment by kaveetaakaul — January 28, 2007 @ 5:42 pm |
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Aaj ki jhooti khabar-“sangeet ke sartaj OP Nayyar nahin rahe”…OP Nayyar kabhi nahin mar sakte…..jab tak duniya main sangeet hai,OP Nayyar zinda rahenge….Nayyar Sahib, please mera salaam kabul karain….Virendra Batra
Comment by Virendra Batra — January 28, 2007 @ 10:46 pm |
Great Post thanks for sharing.!!
THE BEST OF OP NAYYAR
Aana hai to aa – Naya Daur/Rafi
Chal akela chal akela – Sambandh/Mukesh
Deewana hua baadal – Kashmir Ki Kali/Rafi-Asha
Dekho bijli dole – Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon/Asha Bhosle-Usha Mangeshkar
Dil ki awaaz bhi sun – Humsaya/Rafi
Mera naam chin chin chu – Howrah Bridge/Geeta Dutt
Mere neendon mein tum – Naya Andaz/Kishore-Shamshad Begum
Savere ka suraj – Ek Baar Muskura Do/Kishore
Tu auron ki kyoon – Ek Baar Muskara Do/Kishore
Tu hai mera prem devata – Kalpana/Rafi-Manna Dey
Tukde hai mere dil ke – Mere Sanam/Rafi
Yehi woh jagah hai – Yeh Raat Phir Na Aayegi/Asha
Comment by sur — January 29, 2007 @ 1:26 am |
He may be physically left us, he still in our hearts.
Comment by VENKATAKRISHNA NALAMOTHU — January 29, 2007 @ 8:23 am |
His life reminds me of Pyasa’s meaningful song Is Ko hi Jeena kehta hain tho” & Nayyar’s own “Lakhon Hain Yahan Dilwale, Aur Pyar Nahi Milta” from kismat
Comment by Karthik — January 29, 2007 @ 9:36 am |
This legend lives in our heart forever
Comment by Nishant — January 29, 2007 @ 12:05 pm |
respected sir ,
i will never ever forget you .you are simply incomparable.
i have always learnt a lot from you to stay simple but still unique .
i really feel bad that OP NAYYAR SAHAB is not with us and i didn’t get chance to meet such a wonderful human being …
i just want to know why such a big celebrity didn’t lived with his family and why he lived such a hard life and being not with the family for last 12 years .
shradhanjali..
Malhotra Family
Comment by mrs.pinki malhotra — January 29, 2007 @ 8:35 pm |
respected sir ,
i will never ever forget you .you are simply incomparable.
i have always learnt a lot from you to stay simple but still unique .
i really feel bad that OP NAYYAR SAHAB is not with us and i didn’t get chance to meet such a wonderful human being …
i just want to know why such a big celebrity didn’t lived with his family and why he lived such a hard life and being not with the family for last 12 years
Comment by mrs.pinki malhotra — January 29, 2007 @ 8:39 pm |
O.P.Nayyar saab has left us but the indelible impress left behind in the music industry is unfathomable. OP once upon a time was synonymous with Rafi and Asha duets. What a magic he had woven! A sad and morose atmosphere used to get totally enlivened by his tunes. The lilting music and foot tapping numbers with a Punjabi flavour! Great! My favourites though are:
Chota sa baalma…Ragini; Wo hanske mile humse..Baharen phir bhi ayengi; Jaan sake to jaan … Ustad; Surma mera nirala …Kabhi andhera kabhi ujala; Thandi hawa kali ghata..Mr.&Mrs.55; Pyaar par bas to nahin mera lekin phir bhi…Sone ki chidiya…the list is endless. OP had lived a full life on his terms. Adieu, friend, my prayer is “May your tribe increase.”
Comment by Balan V.Iyer — January 29, 2007 @ 10:06 pm |
Greatest of the great. If one has to take percentage of hits vs composed, I am sure his numbers would top the list. They were either tear jerkers or foot tapping numbers in a very effective – Melodious and serene.
His numbers “Yehi woh jagah hai, Yehi woh ghata hai hai” – Asha
Hai Duniya usi ke, Zamana usi ka…. Barbaat hona jiski ada ho, darde dil jiski dawa ho, sataaye ga gham kya use zindagi ka / Banda parwar – RAFI
List goes on. May his soul rest in peace !
Comment by Harvinder — January 29, 2007 @ 11:09 pm |
Sohail Rana Sahab pays tributes to O.P. Nayyar Sahab below:
After a chase of almost twenty years, I was able to get contact of O.P. Nayyar Sahab. The giant of a composer and king of rhythms as he was known all over. I had the honor of speaking with him on phone almost a month back and then there were three more phone calls that I made, the calls always lasted more then forty-five minutes.
While I was talking to him about the memorable songs that he had composed from the film ‘Aasmaan,’ onwards, he would interrupt me and like a gentleman, like a mentor, and like a guru he would start praising me instead.
He even hummed and sang my song, ‘Mujhay tum nazar say gira to rahay ho.’ He said that when he heard this song he had a natural desire to meet me. I felt highly elated. O.P. Nayyar Sahab gave Aasha jee, Geeta Dutt jee, Shamshad Begum and Rafi Sahab a style no other composer gave to them. His music was unique and outstanding. He was gem of a person, very loving, very caring and very outspoken.
He actually commanded me to stay as his personal guest when I visit Bombay, which I was planning very soon. Raju is a very lovely girl who had been serving him like a daughter and took care of him twenty-four hours. This morning his soul has suddenly parted. The whole film industry, Shammi Kapoor jee, Lata jee, Aasha jee, all composers and even the Prime Minister of India has sent condolences over his sad demise.
Tonight, I rang up Bombay and spoke with Raju. She was in tears, sobbing and crying and explaining,”Baba, what shall I do without you.” She then narrated to me how he collapsed and died on the spot. He was eighty-one years of age all right but he was not suffering from any fatal disease.
O.P.Nayyar jee, as a music composer, according to him, died thirty-five years back. He was as a person very much living and enjoying good health. He died peacefully.
Ah! Nayyar jee, Aap nay hamara intizaar naheen kiya. Siraj Khan, mein aur Afshan jee to Aap say milnay Aa rahay thay. Your sudden death is a blow to the whole film industry, the entire musical world, Raju, Siraj, Afshan jee and myself. You have gone away but your music will keep you alive and no one can ever forget you.
Tumhain hum kabhi bhi bhula na sakein gey.
May God bless your soul,dear O.P.Nayyar jee.
Your well- wisher/your friend/your admirer
Sohail Rana
(Music Composer from Pakistan)
Toronto,Canada.
Comment by Sohail Rana — January 30, 2007 @ 8:30 am |
I agree with all the comments on OPN. Those of us who are 50 plus grew up listening to such legends. A void that cannot be filled up. Hindi film music suffered two quick blows – Naushad saab and OPN left us in quick sucession. How many composers have been so much mourned as OPN, even when he did not seriously compose music for the last 30 years!
Comment by R.V.EASWAR — January 30, 2007 @ 10:18 am |
Yes, the legend is no more. Omkar Prasad Nayyar is not amongst us. Incidentally, it is not more than a fortnight since he celebrated his birthday. The octogenarian genius left us leaving us a repository of his compositions for us to devour.
He started his career in an era where there was an oasis of composers who used all repertoires in giving the best, the likes of Madan Mohan, Naushan, Shankar Jaikishan, Roshan, S.D. Burman etc. It would be befitting to say that he was a genius as he never was classically trained composer. He strongly believed in his instincts and ingenuity in delivering best of compositions by carving his own niche. As clearly mentioned by the writer that during his hey-days, he was a much sought after composer despite an astronomical price of more than Rs 100,000 for a film he charged.
From a humble beginning from the lands of Punjab, he was born in pre-independence India and reached to his pinnacle due to tenacity and assiduous faith in his work. Incidentally, he politely refused the invitation across the Wagah border, as he was very much nostalgic in visiting Pakistan. His compositions clearly epitomized his love for his land with the mixture of pure folk and western. In this era, that is marked with re-mixes and deafening sound that is termed as music, the younger generations are deprived and denied access to these kind of musicians who never compromising in its lyrics, rhythm or melody
It was painful to read that he was away from his immediate family and categorically stated they not allowed participation in his funeral. What an end to a man, whose had to live his last moments in some others captivity and mercies, when his own have showed him the way out. Only Sharad Pawar paid his condolence and the film fraternity was missing.
It is ironic, that we the people or the governments fail to recognize the talent of people who have contributed enormously in their respectively fields. Glowing rich tributes and awards conferred to them posthumously. On what count does this matter when the person who breathed and lived music, is unable to experience the reward of his hardcore labour even during his twilight. Only prayers remains that his soul remains in peace forever.
Comment by Yasmin Banu — January 30, 2007 @ 1:12 pm |
Thanks Sur..And your selection was great.Infact I think one can hardly ever go wrong as far as his exquisite pieces of melody is concerned..universally loved and soul stirring.
Venkatkrishna, there is no dout as to the love we hold for him in our hearts.
Kartik..absolutely..on the dot.
Nishant..his philanthrpy in the last decade or so, when he distributed homeopathic pills free of cost to all n sundry goes to prove that here was someone who had captured the essence of ‘living’ in the right sense of the term..truly a legend in more ways than one.
Pinki.. I guess what is finally true is ‘ kabhi kisiko muqammal jahaan nahin milta.. kahin zameen toh kaheen aasmaaan nahin milta’.
Balan.. ohh those strains..’pyar par bas toh nahin hain’..gives one goose pimples.. ‘chhota sa balma ‘ a classical based composition which apparently he had not been trained in. But I guess, its not just about this lifetime.. is it? He was born to be a maestro to defy time and generations. He was truly
incomparable , unique.. men like him walk this earth but once in a away.
Harvinder.. your list is so wonderful.. like you said , the proportion is mind boggling.. Each song hit a bulls eye. I wonder if one can get a compilation of his songs somewhere.. and make a tribute to him.. or there is the danger that the coming generation will be ebereft of his music..sadly. As indians we are deserving of knowing the talent of our Great masters, or inthis time of re-mixes and noise.. his will get lost in oblivion.. I fear that sometimes.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — January 30, 2007 @ 2:41 pm |
Sohail Rana Saheb,
You are indeed blessed that you were able to establish contact with him. One can write paeans on him as a musician and as a human being par excellence. I had written part of this post last April, in the hope that he gets to know how truly admired, respected and remembered he is the world over and even today despite the fact , like you mentioned that he has not composed for 35 years. But if music be a ‘crie de coeur’ then its no wonder that it has left an indelible mark in our hearts.
In the last couple of days since his demise, the need to know about this legend is so strong that this post has received over a thousand hits..this apart from the fact that ever since its posting, there have been regular hits, everyday from music lovers wanting to know more of him. This explains all and is self evident of the phenomenon that music of his kind is created almost like a prayer from the divine to fill our being with bliss.
One can spend a lifetime savouring his songs bit by bit, and revel in the inner joy they elicit.
I would also take this opportunity to mention Sir, that your composition is as hauntingly melodious, soul stirring.. Thank You.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — January 30, 2007 @ 2:53 pm |
Hey I read all the feelings expressed above and would like to thank all.Indeed Baba will live on.Rani/Raju, my dear sister, is very blessed that she was able to serve Baba till the end.I would like to clarify that he was happy till the end and he was never alone.The way Rani served him is commendable indeed.But he was not without family.We are his family,he was our Baba.Rani and myself are his daughters and Shailesh dada is his son.He had composed a song for me-“sach kahoon sach kahoon sach kahoon sach,My princess, I love you very very much”.He always called me his princess and I called him “King”.
Comment by Ashwini Karandikar — January 30, 2007 @ 3:39 pm |
Hi Ashwini,
You and your family and sister Raju are indeed lucky to have been blessed with the opportunity to serve The Legendary Nayyar Saheb.. We as an audience are not privy to the details of his last years, except what the media has brought to the fore. Your revelations of your sisters unswerving devotion and love for her ‘Baba’ point clearly to a previous life connection..’tera mujhse hai pehle ka naata koi, yunhi nahin dil lubhaata koi’..If anything the glow on his face, in the snap above and the calmness of his demanour are proof of the fact that he was at peace totally and that Ashwini, Rani and Shailesh are individuals who are deserved of praise and appreciation. Its often said that we invite in our life what we are internally constituted of. Our inner world is a reflection of our outer life. You all were love incarnate and therfore received his love..
P.s.if you like you can send me a snap of you all with him. I can post it here.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — January 30, 2007 @ 3:58 pm |
From today the words like MUSIC, SANGEET, MELODY, SUR all seem a bit fade and dull to me. I have a very busy life but still spend the whole Saturday morning listening to my favourite musics in a way to pay silent tribute to all those great composers,lyricists and singers. My wife becomes very surprised and speechless when she notices tears in my eyes everytime i listen to these songs and I can’t explain her how it feels when I listen to-
Tukde hain mere dilke*Pukarta chala hoon mein*Dilki awaz bhi sun*Aapke haasin rukhpe*Tum jo huye mere humsafar*Hain duniya usiki and many more. After my father’s death last month (he had a sudden cardiac arrest just like OP Nayyar saheb), these songs were the only corner where i could get a shelter in my own solitude. Now after Naushad saheb I’ve lost Nayyar saheb and I feel very sad that i couldn’t get a chance in this life time to see these maestroes and tell them ‘The GOD must have created me and my parents brought me up. But you are the ones who helped me to know who I truely am.’
Comment by Abed — January 30, 2007 @ 4:05 pm |
Thanks for the comment Yasmin Banu. yes sad but true . The worth of an individual and his contribution is sometimes not recognised as much in his lifetime as it is posthumously. In the case of Nayyar saheb, however, I think that it was his decision to quit from active social life and the industry. Ofcourse that itself can be attributed to changing trends of music. The fact that so many years later we ae still reminiscing the golden days of his musical era, is testimony of his talent.
People remember his compositions today, amply clear even from the comments on this post than of any other today’s music Director. Its stupendous..this achievement. He sometimes composed songs for only one film a year , intentionally. The trend presently is to rake in the moolah, quality be damned. Any wonder then that time will testify finally who will outlast all!
Comment by kaveetaakaul — January 30, 2007 @ 7:54 pm |
Strange are the ways of the movie industry. When a great personality of the past dies, people call it a great loss but in between there’s not even an iota of talk about them.The same thing happened to O.P Nayyarji. I have been a great fan of O.P Nayyar Sahab but despite a strong desire I couldn’t ever see him on any TV Channel giving an interview sharing his experiences with myriads of his fans like me. From the net I came to know about his bohemian life style. But people from the world of art are like that. The lifestyle is the manure for their artistic growth. Though it is painful for the family at times but these beings belong to the entire world, can’t be held as captive material. O.P Nayyarji was one of them perhaps. He has soothed the world with his wonderful music.Though he seems to physically no more but he will live in the minds of his fans for ever
May his soul be at peace for ever.
-Rajkumar Sharma
Comment by Rajkumar Sharma — January 30, 2007 @ 8:40 pm |
As Music Director
Jai Bhavani (2000)
Zid (1994)
Nishchaiy (1992)
Bin Maa Ke Bachchey (1980)
Heera Moti (1979)
Khoon Ka Badla Khoon (1978)
Pran Jaye Par Vachan Na Jaye (1974)
Taxi Driver (1973)
Aisa Bhi Hota Hai (1971)
Killers (1969)
Sambandh (1969)
Dil Aur Muhabbat (1968)
Humsaya (1968)
Kahin Din Kahin Raat (1968)
Kismet (1968)
Shrimanji (1968)
C.I.D. 909 (1967)
Nasihat (1967)
Akalmand (1966)
Do Dilon Ki Dastan (1966)
Baharen Phir Bhi Ayengi (1966)
Love And Murder (1966)
Mohabbat Zindagi Hai (1966)
Sawan Ki Ghata (1966)
Yeh Raat Phir Na Ayegi (1966)
Mere Sanam (1965)
Kashmir Ki Kali (1964)
Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon (1963)
Ek Musafir Ek Hasina (1962)
Hong Kong (1962)
Basant (1960)
Jaali Note (1960)
Kalpana (1960)
Mitti Men Sona (1960)
Do Ustad (1959)
Farishta (1958)
HOwrah Bridge (1958)
Kabhi Andhera Kabhi Ujala (1958)
Mr. Qatoon M.A. (1958)
Mujrim (1958)
Phagun (1958)
Raagini (1958)
Sone Ki Chidiya (1958)
12 O\’clock (1958)
Mai Baap (1957)
Naya Daur (1957)
Qaidi (1957)
Tumsa Nahin Dekha (1957)
Ustad (1957)
Bade Sarkar (1957)
Duniya Rang Rangili (1957)
Johnny Walker (1957)
Bhagambhag (1956)
C.I.D. (1956)
Choomantar (1956)
Dhake Ki Malmal (1956)
Hum Sab Chor Hain (1956)
Mr. Lambu (1956)
Naya Andaz (1956)
Baap Re Baap (1955)
Milap (1955)
Miss Coca Cola (1955)
Mr. & Mrs. 55 (1955)
Musafirkhana (1955)
Sabse Bada Rupaiya (1955)
Mangu (1954)
Mehbooba (1954)
Aar Paar (1954)
Baaz (1953)
Aasman (1952)
Cham Chhama Chham (1952)
Comment by Ravi — January 30, 2007 @ 11:20 pm |
I was shocked to hear OP Nayyar has passed away – those wonderful melodies – I watched Nischay only because of the music. Yes, I agree, OP Nayyar was God’s gift to us starved for good music. His melodies will never fade away.
On another note, I have read some posts here that mention his family lives in luxury, they have forsaken him etc. I cannot keep quiet as I have first hand witnessed the kindness and culture of the Nayyar family. As a child growing up in the same neighbourhood of the Nayyar family in Bombay, I would like to mention what I witnessed. We used to always be at the Nayyar home because his children and wife were extremely friendly, caring people and welcomed all into their home. OP Nayyar was not staying with them – he had chosen to stay with someone else. However, he made sure his family was terrified of him and his anger. Genius is eccentric. Everyone knew when he was visiting as the entire family’s personalities would undergo a change and they would be extra careful not to anger him. He left no stone unturned to humiliate his own children and very dignified wife. His wife tolerated him for the sake of the children. When they grew up – they rebelled against his ways. Eventually came a time when they could take the humiliation no more, and so his wife and children chose to continue their lives without Nayyarji. Unfortunately, we always choose to listen to those who speak out first. His family is extremely dignified and committed to philanthropy without washing dirty linen in public, which is why the general impression is that they forsake him. I just wished to put that record straight.
That having been said, let me reiterate, Nayyar Saab was a genius and there shall never be another.
Comment by anu sen — January 31, 2007 @ 12:22 am |
you may be right. In life it is always a matter of compatability and how you get along with others. My friend Sultan Arshad was posted as Pakistan International Airlines regional officer in Bombay for some years in the 90s and Nayyar sahab lived their family for some years. Sultan Arshad is a great music lover and presently incharge of Music in a local TV channel. He was very friendly with all film personalities and requested Nayyar sahab to live with his family as its head.
Perhaps people are not aware of his great quality of charity. Acc. to Arshad, OP would give anything and everything he had to someone in need.
OP wanted to do an album with Nayyar Noor (One of Pakistan’s top ghazal singer). Arshad jokingly told OP that the album should be titled ‘FROM NAYYAR TO NAYYARA’.
As a young child in the 50s I was always attracted to the enchanting melodies of Nayyar sahab . We all have our faults. The overall personality is what counts and on that level he was on the top bracket.God bless him.
His family should ‘let go’ OP Nayyar now that he is no more with us.
Muhammad Rafi
Karachi
Comment by Rafi — May 2, 2009 @ 12:23 pm |
Welcome Rafi and thanks a ton for the lovely and insightful comment. It is amazing just how many lives OPn touched directly and indirectly through his genius and through his personality. Sultan Arshad must be truly a lover of music, Do request him to visit us here. We would be really eager to hear of OP ji from him.
When hearts meet through the commonalty of a melodious bond, borders get to be redundant. So nice to hear from you. Do come often.
Regards
Kaveetaa
Comment by Kaveetaa Kaul — May 4, 2009 @ 7:07 pm |
Thank you very much Abid Ji, for sharing some of my very own views. Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon him. This Shakespearean’s Quote is synonymous with our late O.P Nayyar Sahab.
Being born as a South Indian Muslim, very much away from the active Hindi music as only Tamil was the regional language. Albeit, from my childhood days, I vividly reminiscent late night geethmala playing the soulful music. Though unable to understand the lyrics or the names of composers, the compositions embedded in my subconscious mind. As days and years passed by, when I moved to a land where Hindi / Urdu music is very much active and alive, I was very much happy integrating to the musical stores that catered to my requirements.
Subjectively, Madan Mohan Ji,, S.D. Burman Ji, Naushad Sahab, Roshan Ji, O.P. Nayyar Sahab works with lyrics of Rajinder Krishnan, Sahir Ludhanvi, Raja Mehdi Ali, Kaifi Aazmi, the renditions of Mohd Rafi Sahab, Lata ji, Talat Mehmood Ji, Hemant Kumar Ji, were always living with me. The vicissitudes of life has a strong storyline for every individual, but the reality is we have to face them defying the odds of life. What is loneliness, why do people say that they are alone? Even in a crowd, we can feel loneliness. Probably, these great would have never understood the impact of their work, their contributions in instilment of confidence, serenity and solace in our solitude. Unfortunately, these things are inexplicable how they have made an indelible mark in our way of life.
When I read about the great Madan Mohan Sahab despondent, as his works remained unacknowledged and gradually ended up in inebriation. He died with sorrow and anguish was intolerable to read. The road that leads to our crematory is very grave. Last year, when we lost Naushad Sahab, it was very painful, but again losing O.P. Nayyar Sahab it is excruciating.
I like to shower my heartfelt thanks and gratitude for the people who gave happiness and sense of belonging to this humble legend. Probably, he never realized that he belonged to the world, and will always remain the property of music lovers and soul searchers who live with his works. May his work pursue as a source of inspiration to aspirations who genuinely believe in the spirit of love, giving and caring.
Comment by Yasmin Banu — January 31, 2007 @ 1:20 pm |
I have grown listening to his songs.Almost all the songs have a special meaning in my life.I can relate to each one. Everytime I happen to listen to a number its as if my youth just re appears before my eyes. I cannot think of the present lot having this kind of magic over us.Its almost half a decade ago that he began his creer and yet his songs are timeless. It is extemely unfortunate that for whatever reason he had to spend his last years away from his home, even though the media has shown the new family to be affectioate, yet it could not have been without heartbreak. He had forbidden his immediate near and dear ones from not attending his funeral as all the channels have reported, and they also did not bother to attend it means that it was unfortunate..no blames but facts are facts….simply so.
Comment by Krishnan — January 31, 2007 @ 1:25 pm |
well its sad to loose someone who has done so much for the whole of the asian community i always listen at least one song on the radio of op Nayyar so every day he’ll be remembered
Comment by chhaya from e london — January 31, 2007 @ 3:56 pm |
hey guys.Believe me its so comforting to know that his music will live on. The present generation below 20’s are quite clueless about his music..its a pity.they live in a world of plagiarized music and have numbed themselves to accept it as a foregone conclusion. OP Saheb set a trend for others to follow. His originality one could swear by.
Abed that was a touching post.
Yasmin..nice response. So touching. btw It was me who had commented on your earlier post.
chhaya..great.
Raj kumar..I know what you mean. But true stalwarts are less addicted to worldly praise and content in their world.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — January 31, 2007 @ 11:23 pm |
I have been his greatest fan for years and we were good friends extraordinary. Once I mentioned why he never used Mukesh in his compositions and he promised to make him sing when the next opportunity arrived.This happened very soon and the result was a duet with Asha in Miss Coca Cola. He was a thorough gentleman. He talked many secrets when I was with him in Bombay.
There will never be likes of him. His music will live for ever.
Comment by M Parmar — January 31, 2007 @ 11:28 pm |
Anu sen..thanks for the information.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 1, 2007 @ 10:12 am |
Savera ka Sooraj Thumhare Liye hai
Bairagya se rahe OPN, Bairagi hamahe chod kaar chale gaye.
Comment by gajanan — February 1, 2007 @ 10:37 am |
Can anybody post the tribute to OPN , if any, given by Asha Bhonsle? It would be really very disrespectful if she has kept mum over the passing away of OPN, under whose baton Asha gave some of the all time great songs. Raato Ko Chori Chori Bole Mera Kangana…. this slow paced song , with interludes of the Spanish Guitar ( please correct me if am wrong) has a spell bounding effect , even now.
Comment by gajanan — February 1, 2007 @ 10:54 am |
since there are so many here who admire Op nayyar perhaps there can be a forum which speaks on how does his music be kept alive. There are chances that it might soon get lost. Youngsters even today have not much heard of him. Even if they have his songs which we are so fondly rmembering have not been heard by them..how does one then keep it alive?
Comment by Krishnan — February 1, 2007 @ 3:04 pm |
Prepare a web site for OP Nayyar by collecting funds and load all his songs , I mean all into it as an audio as well as video ( the song clippings from films). Interview the stars who have sung it if they are alive and then post that as an audio and video. It will take time and money , but persons who were close to him can do this and start a web trust initially, so that it can be translated into a web site , with all the songs as mentioned ( audio and video) , with all the trademark dresses of OPN as pictures and you can also load pictures down memory lane of OPN. Well, the web is there , where else can you pay a tribute , but the web, whichs transcends borders.
Comment by gajanan — February 2, 2007 @ 7:39 am |
It indeed is a great loss. But I can say that I have had him in my heart and in my music library for decades. Anu Sen has thrown some wonderful light on his personal life and I am sure his children missed a loving, caring father while growing up. It is so sad and excruciating that a Genius like him who gave so much to the world in terms of music was not able to give enough love to his own blood!!!! What a waste!!!! Whether you live in the 12th Century or 21st Century, NOTHING gives you the right to be unfaithful to your spouse and family.
No doubt that his music was uncomparable and the number after numbers he recorded in the Golden Sixties are alive even today…. My God give peace to his soul!!!
Comment by Pankaj — February 2, 2007 @ 1:26 pm |
Hi Anu,
I read your post.I would like to get in touch with you.
To all the other fans I am really thankful for all the kind words but Baba has gone and I would like to request all to let bygones be bygones not because the pain will disappear but because we cannot do anything about it.I know baba since 1994 but what happenened before that is something that none of us will ever know and since it was his personal life, lets not get into it.I am sure that his family must also be in pain but its their decision and we must respect everyone.
As for Ashabai not commenting etc,it is again her personal decision.We donot know what transpired between Baba and her so we should neither expect nor comment on what is right and wrong.
Let us only remember that they made a wonderful team and have given us some beautiful music which will live on for years and years.
Comment by Ashwini Karandikar — February 3, 2007 @ 10:00 am |
Pankaj
I agree with you but it seems that all geniuses have this problem.I can understand coz I have myself been through such pain.
I would still request that lets not get into personal lives coz Baba has gone but his family can still get hurt.
Yes, I, his daughter am saying this and requesting you all to remember his music and leave the rest unless you can do something about it.
Comment by Ashwini Karandikar — February 3, 2007 @ 10:06 am |
Op nayyar is public property.his memory is at least. he will be loved always. But why is Ashwini karandikar ordering us around??? she is very bossy… who is she? her role in his life is not our problem.She is asking us not to get into his personal life but is doing that only. Look at her last line..”yes I his daughter”..thats not personal what? and she was not his real daughter also. She is talking here only from personal relationship..She should be grateful not hoity toity.sorry if i have hurt her. But truth is truth.
but Op nayyar cannever be forgotten I dont care about anything else.
Comment by raja harishchandra — February 3, 2007 @ 3:02 pm |
You all did sing for him many times –not without a cause:
What cause withholds you, then, not to mourn for him?
O judgement, thou art fled to myopic heights
And men and women have lost their reason! –Bear with me;
My heart is with his music, there with his records,
And I must pause till it is replayed to me
( This is a modified , (changed specially for Nayyar Sahab) version of Mark Anthony’s famous speech on the funeral of Julius Caesar. Just like Shakespeare’s prose , Nayyar’s spontaneous music will last forever)
Comment by gajanan — February 3, 2007 @ 3:25 pm |
kaanon se utri hai dil mein..op nayyar ki mausiqui..Woh hamesha rahenge hamare dil mein, aur hindustan ki mausiqui mein.
Comment by Irfan khan — February 3, 2007 @ 6:41 pm |
I kind of worshipped OP since the time I was a primary school student in third grade in NWFP ( Pakistan). It was 1957. Although I was born in a pushto speaking area with it’s own folk music, O P Nayyar’s music opened the door for me to the glories of Indian film music. Probably, UDEE JAB JAB ZULFAIN TAREE and RESHMI SHILWAR KURTA JHALI KAA were the fist ever urdu songs that converted my mind and soul to indian film music. Subsequently, there were so many wonderful songs that followed till the time of Nischaiy. I would always love each and every song of a film when music was composed by OP NAYYAR,which I didn’t know at that time. Later ,sometime in the early sixties , I realized that it were op nayyar’s tunes which would always touch my soul and spirits..While listening to the Radio , i would always be waiting for songs from O P’s compostions. After a lapse of 4 years, he came back with a bang in 1964 with Phir Wahi Dil Laya Hoon. I still remember Radio Ceylon Commercial, probably, by Ameen Siyani as saying , ” PHIR WAHEE O P NAYYAR in PHIR WAHEE DIL LAYA HOON. I became so obsessed with his music that I started collecting each and every song compsed by him throughout his carear . Luckily, I managed to collect every film song that he ever composed. And it is a treasure of my life. To achieve this I had to scan each and every market of paksitan, inculding RainBow Centre Karachi, to collect vidoes and audios of those wonderful films–music composed by O P.. In this connection I met some wonderful people who loved Indian Film music like me. Mushtaq Abdullah ( who ran a recoding company at karachi ) helped me a lot in finding some otherwise unavailable songs.
O P Nayyar’s music is so different and unique from all other composers. It kind of travels in one’s soul—and makes one’s body to move with rythem. His tunes and use of instruments are unparallel. A true King Of Rythem. I cannot imagine any other composer of using and mixing eastern instrument, specially SARANGI with westren music in a better way than O P NAYYAR.
O P Nayyar sahib is no more with us but he will always live in the hearts of millions till music is played and listened.. May God Bless his soul
Comment by Ashraft — February 5, 2007 @ 1:15 pm |
@ Gajanan, what you suggest is a great idea..about the website. perhaps we should work on implementing it somehow. .It does seem a possibility and within reach if enough like minded can come together.
Loved the Shakespeare inspired lines… heart felt.
@Ashraft,This is remarkable. You actually are in possession of every single song composed by him? It needs to be applauded and highlighted. I will update this information on the post.
Congrats for being the keeper of the treasure.. God Bless!!
P.S…in fact this gets us one step closer to the above mentioned idea of a website as mentioned to Gajanan.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 5, 2007 @ 1:29 pm |
I was petrified and moved when I saw the news on NDTV about the unfortunate death of Nayyar Saheb I am an ardent fan of OPN I really wonder Y the almighty did not give a chance to me for serving him when his own blood neglected. I am employed in Muscat and last week there was a programme where M/s Asha Bhonsle had paticipated in the Muscat Festival. As OPN is totally responsible for Asha Didi career its moving that she had not mentioned a word of praise for OPN. How soon people forget the goodness of a human being, during his last days he had to take shelter in a friend’s house and died a orphan’s death. No human being will forgive Nayyar Saheb’s Children who had betrayed him. Even if he his at fault as a human being they should have forgiven him as he had brought them to this world and served him. His name will live as long as the Music World lives. May God bless his Soul.
G Sunder Rajan
Muscat
5th Feb 2007 17.40 hours
Comment by Gopal Sunder Rajan — February 5, 2007 @ 7:00 pm |
There are some in the film world , who have mourned OPN’s death. You should contact them
In this web site , the names are given.
http://www.apunkachoice.com/happenings/20070129-0.html
One feels that Tabassum and Sonu Nigam may come forward to help you get funds to set up the web site. I am not sure , but it is a educated guess from the feelings expressed by them in the above web site. The first step is to find the cost of putting up such a web site and maintaining it. Thane is the best place for this as OPN breathed his last there and the persons who where close to him in his final years, will do it with great passion as they were the true mourners, if Shakespeare is to be invoked again.
Then when you have all the details it becomes easier to implement. Plannning may take time, but surely , one can do this. You should not hurry thru’ it. By OPN’s next death anniversary it could be ready and posted on the web. His birth and death are both in Jan so you can do it to commemorate as when possible.
Comment by gajanan — February 6, 2007 @ 6:36 am |
Thanks for the compliments!!! Ms Kaveeta Kaul. Furthermore, the necessity of a website cannot be over-emphasized.
Thanks also to Mr Ravi for the list of OPN films.I will add two more names to that list. Shrimati 420 (Hum Ko Chore ke Kahan Jao gey )and Mangni .There is yet another OP movie released after Nischay and Zid in the 90s. I cannot remember it’s name at this moment.I have the complete list of OPN movies with me back in pakistan but not here in NY where I live now.
PS. Can anybody tell me where is G.S Kohli ( OPN’s assistant) these days?.His wonderful scores in SHIKARI,FAULAD,CHAAR DARWESH and NAMASTEYJI in the 60s, are so fresh in my mind.
Regards,
Ashraft.
Comment by Ashraft — February 6, 2007 @ 1:06 pm |
Respected kaveeta Kaul.
I had opn’s phone number with me and wanted to call him but could never do it, delaying it to every next day. And now he is no more that I can call. I felt down and sad . I selected some poetry on his sad demise . These words gave me strength and courage to face the reality of life and this world where we live. I want to share these words with all those who felt sad and down with the demise of our beloved music director.He still lives in our hearts and speaks to us daily with his wonderful compositions.
IF TOMORROW STARTS WITH ME,,,,,,,
And I’m not there to see,
If the sun should rise and find your eyes
All filled with tears for me;
I wish so much you wouldn’t cry
The way you did today,
While thinking of the many things,
We didn’t get to say.
I know how much you love me,
As much as I love you,
And each time that you think of me,
I know you’ll miss me too;
But when tomorrow starts without me,
Please try to understand,
That an angel came and called my name,
And took me by the hand,
And said my place was ready,
In heaven far above,
And that I’d have to leave behind
All those I dearly love.
But as I turned to walk away,
A tear fell from my eye
For all my life, I’d always thought,
I didn’t want to die.
I had so much to live for,
So much left yet to do,
It seemed almost impossible,
That I was leaving you.
I thought of all the yesterdays,
The good ones and the bad,
The thought of all the love we shared,
And all the fun we had.
If I could relive yesterday,
Just even for a while,
I’d say good-bye and kiss you
And maybe see you smile.
But then I fully realized,
That this could never be,
For emptiness and memories,
Would take the place of me.
And when I thought of worldly things,
I might miss come tomorrow,
I thought of you, and when I did,
My heart was filled with sorrow.
But when I walked through heaven’s gates,
I felt so much at home.
When God looked down and smiled at me,
From His great golden throne,
He said, “This is eternity,
And all I’ve promised you.”
Today your life on earth is past,
But here life starts anew.
I promise no tomorrow,
But today will always last,
And since each day’s the same way
There’s no longing for the past.
You have been so faithful,
So trusting and so true.
Though there were times
You did some things
You knew you shouldn’t do.
But you have been forgiven
And now at last you’re free.
So won’t you come and take my hand
And share my life with me?
So when tomorrow starts without me,
Don’t think we’re far apart,
For every time you think of me,
I’m right here, in your heart.
ASHRAFT
NY
Comment by Ashraft — February 6, 2007 @ 1:26 pm |
laakho.n hai yahaa.N dila vaale, aur pyaar nahii.n milataa
aa.Nkho.n me.n kisii kii vafaa kaa, iqaraar nahii.n milataa
mahafil mahafil jaa dekhaa, har dil me.n samaa kar dekhaa
har saaz pe gaa kar dekhaa
dil ko kahii.n chain naa milaa – 2
mai.n to duniyaa me.n pyaare akelaa hii rahaa
laakho.n hai yahaa.N …
is dil ko kahaa.N le jaae.n, kuchh aap agar faramaae.n
to aap ke ham ho jaae.n
kah do hame.n ha.nsake zaraa – 2
ajii jo kuchh bhii dil ne tumhaare hai kahaa
laakho.n hai yahaa.N …
Well written . Kismat Lyrics SS Bihari
Hai Ki nai, OP Sahab ke liye likha hai na
Comment by gajanan — February 6, 2007 @ 2:53 pm |
Mr Harischandra,
I am sorry if I have hurt your sentiments.It was never my intention.If you read the first line-I said I am thankful for the love that all are showering.I am not at all hoity-toity but I know the pain and that is why the request.My idea is that we should forget about all the painful things and only remember the good things like his music.As far as relationships go,I was not related to him by birth but he was there just as my real father is.To me, the love and affection and the scoldings that I got from Baba are very very dear.Please donot misunderstand what I am trying to say.
Once again I am sorry if i have hurt anyone’s sentiments.
Comment by Ashwini Karandikar — February 6, 2007 @ 6:49 pm |
Dear Friends
I have finally been able to gather myself together. I have been OP Nayyar’s die-hard fan since I was 4 and I am now 55. I literally idolized him and I feel that his music has shaped my personality. A part of me died with Nayyar Saheb on Sunday, January 28th 2007.
After reading such wonderful sentiments in these colums, there is still so much to write about that great man-a legend in his lifetime. I started writing his biography in February 2005, which is about 40% complete. He has given me the exclusive rights. Two publishers are already lined-up for the publication which is titled
OP NAYYAR – WHEN RHYTHM WAS KING. We spoke at least once a week. I called to greet him on January 16 on his 81st birthday but we could not speak a lot that day as he had visitors. He called me back to make up for it just four days before his death at 2am Boston time and apologized to my wife saying ” Maaf karna, Yasmin bibi, mujhe waqt ka andaaza nahee raha”. I was up like a light and we spoke for about 20 minutes and sang together for another 10-12 minutes. One of our favourite songs of Pran Jaye Par Vachan Na Jaye “Ek Tou Ae Piya jis pe dil aa gaya” and another “Ae dil ae deewanay” – a Geeta Dutt gem from his oldie Baaz. Crazy stuff, right?
We were to spend the weekend of March 3-4 together at his/Raju’s home in Thane. There were many things that he wanted to get off his chest – matters which have not yet seen the light of the press. I am still going there as per my plan, as the beggar outside his door. I speak to Raju regularly and in future will live Nayyar Saheb through her persona. She is a gem!
Kaveeta, I will be camping at the Trident Hilton and if you or anybody in the media wants to know more about my book, I would be delighted to meet him/her.Ashwini, you too. But do contact me first on the phone, through the hotel.
It bleeds my heart to say that all the prominent people of Bollywood who have paid such rich tributes to him in the press, did so from the comfort of their homes. Nobody was there at his home on his death and certainly none of them at his funeral and cremation. I guess this is the fabric that Bollywood is made of.
Nayyar the person died on January 28, but Nayyar the composer had died 30 years ago. Only his music is immortal and timeless.
Nayyar Saheb once told me that I was his second biggest fan on this planet and the the rest could fight for the first place. I am humbled. God Bless All.
Sincerely,
Siraj Khan
Boston, MA, USA
Comment by Siraj Khan — February 7, 2007 @ 5:49 am |
Jasbad se aapne aap ko math toko
Dil ka aaine me dekho
aue kah do
Yu tho lakh sangeethkar dekhe
Paar OPN Jaisa Nahi dekha.
Comment by gajanan — February 7, 2007 @ 5:59 am |
Dear Friends
Some add-ons from the previous letters.
GS Kohli, his capable assistant, died about 8 years ago. He was the man behind OPN’s reknowned dholak effect. He was also a talented composer but was unlucky. What a paradox that the low-budget films in which he composed music are remembered today only because of the songs and not for anything else.All flopped. Take SHIKARI ( believe it or not Ajit was the hero)
* Tum ko pya dil diya itne naaz se (Lata/Asha)
* Ye rangeen mehfil gulabi gulabi (Asha)
* Chaman ke phool bhee tujh ko gulab kehte hain
(Rafi/Lata) You have to imagine Ajit singing!
Somebody published the list of OPN films. Please pardon me to say that it has many errors and its also incomplete. But that is fine and many of us did not even have those names.
Take care
Siraj Khan
Boston, MA, USA
Comment by Siraj Khan — February 7, 2007 @ 6:08 am |
Listening to OP songs has always given me the high. Sad to hear he is no more.
I am sure he will live through his music for ever.
OP never used to compose songs for the situations. Rather he used to play the tunes in his piano and tell the director to choose what he wanted. Perhaps the genius in him gave the impression to others as being arrogant. OP lost good banners due to this and past 1965 except Joy Mukherjee no big banners backed him.
OP used the Sarangi to great effect. When he came to the scene with a bang in the mid fifties the classical mould of Naushad and C.Ramachandra suffered. Feeling the heat the greatest of them all, Shanker-Jaikishen swiftly moved to Yahoo and Raag Jaaz to secure their place at the top.
Today I was listenibg to Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon and as I always do, wondored how and when the tunes would have struck OP.
Comment by Sanil — February 7, 2007 @ 12:57 pm |
I was going through all the comments given by OPN fans and really Nayyar saab was great composer and he was always much ahed of his time. I would like to share with all OPN fans that he has composed music for a telugu film in the year 1988-89 “Neerajanam” and there were 10 songs in the film all sung by SP Balasubramaniam, S Janaki and M S Rama Rao. All the songs became very popular and are very rich in melody. In this movie OP has composed very differently and the background score was also very nice. In that same year OP had very stiff competion from other legendary south indian composers like Ilayyaraja (with 9 films), Raj-Koti, MS Viswanadahm, K V Mahadevan etc but there also our OPN has proved that he is the king and own the best music director award (Nandi Award) from Govt. of Andhra Pradesh. I salute him for his music in telugu film because he scored such brilliant music without knowing the language. After that though he got many offers in other south indian films but he never worked again.
G N Murty
Comment by G N MURTY — February 7, 2007 @ 2:00 pm |
@ Gajanan,
Thanks for the suggestions. I am a firm believer in destiny and in the fact that we are but instruments in the hands of the Creator. Whatever and however, the website is to take shape, will. I will be only too glad to do all in my capacity to make it see the light of day. Let us keep our fingers crossed.
@ Ashraft Saheb,
Please do not refer to me as ‘respected’..it embarasses me. You are much senior and most respectfully Sir , I thank you for the lovely poem you have posted.
This post is beginning to feel like a treasure for me, a priceless one as well. To be the space for the collection of such loving tributes for Nayyar Saheb, from such loving, sincere fans, is indeed a great honor for my blog ‘Sachiniti’.
Your query to do with Shri G.S. Kohli has been respoded to by Ashraft Saheb. What a treasure trove of knowledge this is getting to be. I had no idea about the talent of Kohli Saheb.
Your
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 7, 2007 @ 4:38 pm |
Siraj Saheb,
Your feelings can be gaged through your comment.
Your book will be a ‘must read’ for every fan of Nayyar saheb. I am so glad that work on it had begun during his lifetime. Nothing can compensate for the loss of Nayyar Saheb. Who can possibly feel that more than you. But I am sure you must have gained invaluable information gleaned from him over the years,
I would most certainly meet you when you visit Mumbai. Will you please get in touch with me at the email address provided in the ‘About me’ page? We can co-ordinate then. Also I will post your stay and its details here for others who may be interested in meeting up as well.
The information on Kohli Saheb is really a revelation. The songs you have mentioned are wonderful…touching and replete with melody. It is such a pity when talent is not accorded the acknowledgement, appreciation and honor it so richly deserves. Fo me, nothing is more tragic than to think that an artist may have left the world pining for his art to have received an audience.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 7, 2007 @ 4:50 pm |
Nayyar sahab the GREATEST!!!!! We’ll miss him.
I had talked to him few times and met him in 1976 when he invited me to his song recording. Wonderful guy, friendly, very active/agile, quick, swift, full of energy, talkative. I still remember him so vividly, his appearence, attire, his voice, etc.
All his songs are wonderful, but for some of you who missed his Telugu film songs, check out the Telugu film Neerajanam on Raaga.com. Great songs – Ghallu Ghallunna, Mamathey Madhuram, Manasoka Madhukalasam, Manasoka Madhukalasam, Oohala Ooyalalo
http://www.raaga.com/channels/telugu/movie/A0000035.html
– Hemant
Comment by hemant — February 7, 2007 @ 10:34 pm |
Can someone please tell me the last song recorded by Mohd Rafi for OP Nayyar. OP said one time after Rafi’s death, if there was no Rafi, there would be no OP Nayyar. OP nayyar and Rafi teamed to produce the best songs in the Hindi fil industry. Songs from Kashmir Ki Kali, Ek Musafir, Naya Daur, Tumsa Nahee Dekha, Phir whi Dil Laya Hoon were all super hits. This Rafi/OP will never come again.
Comment by Asif — February 8, 2007 @ 5:26 am |
http://www.bollywoodsamachar.com/ShowAllNews.asp?News=Glamsham%20News
See Jan 30 2007 news in thw above web site . This below pasted one if from the above web site. So you have Jackie Shroff and Salman Khan also as admirers. So for web site , you have some more admirers.
“Nayyar had lined up great plans in the last few weeks before he died” – Jackie Shroff
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By R.Manishaa, Bollywood Trade News Network
The late O.P. Nayyar, who was going through an identity crisis in the last few years of his life, had lined up some grandiose plans in the last few weeks of his life, one of them being a massive show in London that was to take place in June. The show had been coordinated by actor Jackie Shroff who regularly kept in touch with the music director and inquired about his well-being. “I was introduced to him by my businessman friend, Ajay Savla, a few years ago. He treated Ajay like his grandson and the two of us would meet at least once a week over dinner. Nayyar had only a month ago given his nod for a show to be held in London, which we had tried to co-ordinate through my show organizer friend in London. It is sad that he left us before that,” Jackie recalls.
Both Savla and Jackie recall that the show was a dream project for Nayyar. “He would have been happy to see his Asian fans endorsing his music there. He was eagerly looking forward to it,” he says. Moreover, he had also had a long telephonic conversation with Salman Khan, who was rehearsing for a show to be held later this month. “Salman had a lot of respect for him and spoke to him for a long time despite the fact that his show organizers were waiting for him. He and his family adored Nayyar-saab and his music. In fact, I and Jackie had lined up a meeting between him and Salman that was to take place at the end of this week,” Savla recalls.
Savla who had known Nayyar as his uncle’s friend was among the two people, with whom he shared the joys and sorrows of his life, besides his adopted daughter Rani Nakhwa. According to Savla, it was Rani who adopted him as a fatherly figure and got him to shift in her house with her family. “Nayyar saab was staying as a paying guest at Thane and Rani used to run a telephone booth in Thane, from where he would make calls to producers. She requested him to move into their house and they were kind enough to even give him a separate room. They treated him like a king in their small home, looking after his needs, tastes, likes and dislikes. He had become more than a family member to them and was staying with them since the last 12 years,” he reveals.
Savla adds that both he and Jackie were saddened by the indifference of the industry towards Nayyar, a fact which he occasionally mentioned, when he met them. “He often looked desolate and felt that some of his best friends and admirers, did not even bother to call on him,” Jackie reveals. Also, there was a point of time, according to Ajay Savla, when he had to forego his lavish style and come to terms with a simple and modest living when the payments due to him did not come. “At one point of time, he was the highest paid music director in the industry. Also, he was the only music director who commanded the entire royalty for his music and made it conditional that he would not split it with anyone. Ironically, the same companies who flourished on his music backed out of paying their royalty due to him by claiming that they were going through losses. Even the people whom he had loaned money in the industry,” Savla reveals. The biggest irony according to him was the fact that despite being one of the topmost music directors in the industry in his heydays, there was not a single Bollywood celebrity from the industry at his funeral. “There was only Anu Kapoor who made it a point to pay his respects, besides a few non-film acquaintances. More disappointing was the presence of a leading politician who used the opportunity to establish his presence in the media and simply ignored his adopted daughter.”
Comment by gajanan — February 8, 2007 @ 9:34 am |
It has saddened me no end of hearing of his demise.
It is so nice to meet so many fans gathered here in one place and get to read different stories of this legend..There is so much i did not know. This is like a one stop space for O.P. Nayyar now. I will hope that more and more information on him is left here for all to read.
Thank you!!
Comment by murali rg — February 8, 2007 @ 4:20 pm |
Fame and Lakshmi are the most chanchal – kabhi ek jagah tikti nahin. Guru Dutt showed this beautifully in Kagaz ke Phool. I am glad as a senior citizen, OP ji got some love and affection from his adopted family as I believe he paid for his actions in the later days.
Ashwini, I understand you saw a different side of OP Nayyar as did I – each coin has two sides.
The reason Lata and OP Nayyar never worked together (as the story goes)… When OPji was a struggling musician, Lata was already famous. She refused to work with an unknown music composer. It was Asha – her lesser known sister (at that time) who willingly sang for OPji. Later, when OP Nayyar saab became successful, Lata came to see him with a bottle of champagne. OP Nayyar took the bottle of champagne and flung it to the ground and walked off. That is said to be the reason why OP and Lata never worked together.
As far as personal lives go – fame has a price, in most cases, it is your privacy. That is the flip side to being well known and felicitated – so it is understandable the masses are always curious about the beautiful and the talented.
I sincerely wish some one would get all his songs together – oh what a blessing that would be!
I still remember him in the seventies ( I was a child) but I would hide in the building stairwell to see him – he wore a cream silk kurta and turquoise lungi. Later on when I grew up, seeing the old seventies’ movies, I realised how popular the lungi was in those days. Sulakshna Pandit was with him for a photo shoot or something. He had a huge grand piano in his flat and on his birthday the flat would be covered with red roses from the Oberoi Sheraton (those days it was a part of the Sheraton chain) florist shop.
I wonder if anyone from the film industry even bothered to send flowers, let alone, come and pay their respects to him.
As I said, Fame & Lakshmi – very chanchal and very fickle – they run away very quickly.
Anu Sen, Toronto
Comment by anu sen — February 9, 2007 @ 12:58 am |
hi,
Its a co incidence that my wedding anniversary is 16th january.
The last movies nusic was created,in our hotel at Secunderabdad.
we met the whole team.
he loved the food and hospitality.
he called me beti
he touched my ma in law’s feet.
he was a ISKCON member and so were we…we had lenghty discussions.
we would have him enjoy scotch and lavish food,and the band would play all his numbers non stop.He would feel so Alive.!!
am glad that for some time,at least some happiness went his way.
when he would go to mumbai…he would wish to be out of touch.
Comment by romi mathur — October 31, 2010 @ 10:08 am |
One is failing to understand , how Lata mourned OPN passing away and why still there is no comment from Asha Bhonsle. Now this song from Kismet “aao huzuur tumako, sitaaro.n me.n le chaluu.N”. Nayyar Sahab tho Sitaro me baas gaye, paar Ashaji’s silence is really stupefying. Oh !! Shakeshpeare have you written anything on gratitude. Why not myself write like the Bard. Yes !!!. Here it is.
“Oh !! Gratitude, you have adopted a deathly silence.
This web site reminds us of his music to our ears.
Gratitude why are you so dumb
To make his fans go numb.
Unleash youself , pour yourself out.
Words, tears , emotions anything will do.
Gratitude we are waiting for you to unwind your atitude.
Do it fast, Magar Pyar se”
Comment by gajanan — February 9, 2007 @ 10:57 am |
I have been an ardent fan of Mr. O.P.Nayyar since the day i heard his score in the film BAAZ. Thereafter I have seen every of his film. The whether flopped or ran always had excellent music. Unfortumately all those magical tracks are not available. I still remember his haunting score in the film called “Mehbooba” made by K.Amarnath productions. If any one has the album of this picture, i shall be too gald to have it. There are numerous other films whose tracks though were excellent yet are not available like of Mr. Qartoon M.A., Johny Walker, Jaali Note, Hongkong, Basant,Naya Andaz,Frishta, Ustad, Do Ustad, Kabhi Andhera Kabi Ujala etc.
I have on my MP3 Disc about 300 of his songs which were availbe on various websites and I have downloaded them. If any one wants a copy of this disc,I shall be too glad to share it free of cost.Hats off to Nayyar Sahib.He was a GEM. His music was haunting with a unique style. He was certainly a master of rythem.My his soul rest in peace.
C.P.Sharma
Comment by C.P.Sharma — February 9, 2007 @ 12:52 pm |
Ms. Ashwini Karandikar,
thanks for giving reply. Anyone who has read will see that I am right. You came here only to tell how much your sister worked for the Great man. After that as if you are saying ”bachcha log theek hai..shukriya.. par abhi bas karo” because ‘ main unki beti hoon”. We are all not coming here to talk to you. all are speaking here so much only for respect for O.P. nayyar ji so you dont have to thank us to take take credit. It is not right that people talk against Nayyar ji now, but it is also not right that you give orders like a madam of school. Thats all.
It is so good to read all the other posts. So much love here for this great man. Mr. C.P. sharma you are a great man to offer free cd’s..bless you.
Comment by raja harishchandra — February 9, 2007 @ 1:51 pm |
Mr. C. P. sharma, for Jali Note songs, go to youtube.com and type o p nayyar. This will give you all songs – wonderful songs with Dev sahab, Madhubala, and Helen.
– Hemant
Comment by hemant — February 9, 2007 @ 7:11 pm |
Hi Anu,
Thanx for the reply and understanding.I understand where you are coming from.Care to be friends?
Siraj-ji,
Thank you.Baba had mentioned about the book.I have always wanted to write but……Please give me the contact number so that I can contact you.I really look forward to meeting you and reading your book.
Comment by Ashwini Karandikar — February 9, 2007 @ 9:17 pm |
Mestro op nayyar was in bangalore to receive the rotary award on 21 Dec. In fact, in the interval I asked him to send the cassette of Love and Murder and requested hhis grand daughter Rani nakhwa. i do not know what made me to call him on 25th Jan around six in the evening and to my surptise he was on the cell phone and remembered and thanked.He was hale and hearty and spoke wel, littel he knew nor I that death was knocking at his door step. Let his soul rest in peace.Pleasemy emoational tribute to him on my mail
Comment by moolbharati prakash — February 10, 2007 @ 3:53 pm |
Dear Friends
As Kaveeta mentions, these discussions have really taken fire and we must keep throwing the charcoal in the fireplace.
This is a multiple messenger for several wonderful people whom I have come into contact with through the courtesy of Sachiniti
Kaveeta
I have just two days in Mumbai i.e March 3 and 4. I will not be carrying a cell phone but please contact me through Hilton Towers – Nariman Point. I would be delighted to meet you in person with my wife Yasmin. God Bless You for this very vibrant dialogue
Ashwini
I will be spending a lot of time with Raju during that weekend and perhaps we can link up through her.
Ashraft
If you (and any others) who live in USA, lets be in contact. My cell # is 978-621-8030.
Looks like we are on the same journey. I would love to be in contact with you and there may be a lot of things to share about that great man.
CP Sharma
Even if you make it sound simple, what else could the downloading be except labour of love. I would be truly indebted to you, if you could allow me to have a copy of the CD. I do not know where you are located but my address is
Siraj Khan
10 Atherton Road
Hudson MA 01749 USA
Email: Khansaheb2@aol.com
All
For those who may be interested, please get in touch with OP Nayyar Gaurav Granth Samiti in Andheri (West). I believe the point person is Vishwas Nerurkar.
My travel schedule in India if anyone would like to meet and talk about the great man and his unique style of composition. Waah!
Feb 25-28 New Delhi
Mar 1-2 Patna
Mar 3-4 Mumbai
Mar 5-7 Pune
Mar 8-10 Burhanpur
Mar 11-12 Agra
Mar 13-15 New Delhi
Then off to Vietnam
I carry my laptop so email contact will work
Siraj Khan
Khansaheb2@aol.com
Comment by Siraj Khan — February 10, 2007 @ 6:06 pm |
Siraj Khan.
Thanks so much . I would love to be in contact with you and share /discuss our beloved composer OP Nayyar… and his music. I shall call you soon.
KaveetaKaul. It is just so wonderful to read and share our sentiments for the Great Man through this site.. Would it be possible to include a Photo section ( of Nayyar sahib ) , in this website.
Comment by Ashraft — February 11, 2007 @ 11:16 am |
Everyday as I check the comments I am welcomed with amazement as i read through further snippets of Nayyar sahebs career.
@Hemant..Thanks for informing us of the compositions in South Indian languages. It was such a revelation. He was so gifted that language ofcourse could hardly pose as a barrier for a man who composed from the core of his soul.
@ Asif..That is so true. Rafi and O.P. Nayyar together with their romantic hits are as unforgettable as the ragas created by the masters of yore, and if I may add no lesser in their significance.
@ murali..Yes this space has transformed into a veriatble homage site for Nayyar saheb. Last year when I began writing this post, I had requested Siraj saheb to inform him that is yet a huge audience and lovers of his music revelling in the melody of his compositions almost half a century after their inception. I dont know why I feel that it is his blessing which has translated into this site then being a composite place for all his fans to meet, assemble and reminiscence.
@ Anu.. thanks for your information on Latas and Nayyar sahebs dis-connection musically and of your memories.
@Gajanan..dekha .. ‘aap ko shaayar bana diya..Your effort in translating grief is noteworthy..thanks.
@C.P.Sharma saheb..your offer is so kind and nobility of your soul peeps through. I would love to have a copy of his songs but only on condition that you accept atleast the cost and posting expenses..Thanks
@moolbharati prakash saheb..you can rest in the knowledge that you got to meet and converse with the maestro..unforgettable moments I am sure.
@ Siraj Khan Saheb..truly this wondrous gift of getting to meet here is awesome. I am looking forward to meeting with you next month when we can spend a few moments speaking and sharing our thoughts on Nayyar Saheb.There is information which might pleasantly surprise you.
@ Ashraft Saheb..of course I will gladly include pictures of Nayyar saheb. In fact I will try and get this post as a permanenet fixture on the Home page so that the fond memories of Nayyar Saheb which we have shared here and continue to do so, remains fresh and alive as long as Sachiniti does..Thanks
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 11, 2007 @ 1:16 pm |
I can never become a poet.
Without listening to OPN’s duet.
I can write with grief.
But gratitude is not even brief.
Probably , you sang well.
Now you feel, why say words which will sound like a frog in the well.
Don’t worry I know you are writing in silence.
and waiting for super eloquence.
Are you meditating for words?
Contemplating on songs which had memorable words.
You see , gratitude , my patience is wearing
The web is not for tearing.
I know , you are summing up the courage.
To join in the mourners entourage.
Gratitude , yeh lo , aakhri labz
In OPN’s music.
Thumhara Chahane wala Khuda ki duniya me
Thum ho kis duniya me.
Comment by gajanan — February 12, 2007 @ 5:11 am |
Thumhara Chahane wala Khuda ki duniya me
Thum ho kis duniya me ( this line is added by me, folks. Apologies for disturbing the wonderful lyrics) Now just analyse the first four lines in the song sung by the female voice. How relevant it is and how gratitude has forgotten these lines in that great jasbadwala lyrics. Probably gratitude has a taste for Besura, Bekhayal Gane
tumhAre dil ko kahI.n mujhase kabhI Thes lage
mujhe yakIn hai aisA kabhI nahI.n hogA
mujhe vafAo.n pe apanI ba.DA bharosA hai
tumhArA pyAr hI de jAye nA kahI.n dhokhA
duA ye hai ke tumhArA khudA kI duniyA me.n
mere sivA bhI koI aur ho khudA nA kare
tumhArA chAhane vAlA …
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Comment by gajanan — February 12, 2007 @ 8:18 am |
C.P.Sharma Ji. Thanks you so much for the generosity of offering a treasure of OP’s songs CD. I would love to have it .My address is,
M.Ashraf
76-15, 222nd Street,Oakland Gardens,NY,11364.
Ashraft
Comment by Ashraft — February 12, 2007 @ 11:58 am |
I have a double disk ‘Best of OP Nayyar’ album which has some of OPN’s best compositions. If anybody wants to have a copy of it I’ll be delighted to send a copy (free of charge)to any worldwide destination. Please feel free to ask for one if you need.
By the way……could anybody kindly tell me how can I get a copy of the GREAT Mohd Rafi song ‘Main Kab Gaata Mere Swar Me, Pyar Kisika Gaata Hain…..’. It is a non-filmi song written by Anjan. I will be obliged if any of you could come out with any help.
Comment by Abed — February 13, 2007 @ 4:29 pm |
The beauty of Nayyar songs was in his orchestration and the plethora of instruments he used in the composition. Nayyar would have 30 to 40 musicians in the recording studio for a single recording. There would be 4 or 5 musicians playing violin, 3 on mandolin, a couple on Spanish guitar, 2 to 3 on flute, a couple on clarinet. In addition he would have the bongos, congas, drums, tabla, dholak, keyboard, piano, harmonium, electric guitar, Hawaiian guitar, santoor, sitar, sarod, sarangi, vina, surling (a modified instrument made only for OP songs (please correct if I misspelled) and I was told that there are only two of such instruments in the world), xylophone, harp, saxophone, jal tarang, and other minor instruments such as maraca, triangle, tambourine, ghungru, wooden sticks, etc.
Check out the song Huzoore Wala from Yeh Raat Phir Ne Aiyagi and Deko Dilbar from Pran Jaye Per Vacchan Ne Jaye. You can easily count 22 to 25 instruments used in these songs if you pay attention to the details. The combination of saxophone, clarinet, violin, guitar, piano, and mandolin is just as amazing as the switchover from the western drum/Conga based percussion to eastern tabla/dholak style from the mukdha to aantra. OP was quite detail oriented which is demonstrated in his use of the smaller and minor instruments. Check out the saxophone, guitar, and piano in the song Deko Dilbar – it’s just fantastic. I’m just too amazed with his musical genius and sometimes wonder how his brain was wired.
– Hemant
Comment by Hemant — February 13, 2007 @ 9:28 pm |
BTW check out Huzoorewaala recording from the movie vs the record/tape/cd. They are sung differently. I wonder if this song was recorded twice. The difference is clearly noticeable in “Kyon na Kehde Mohabbat Khuda Hai, Ye Haqeeqat Nahi Hai to Kya Hai”
Comment by Venkatesh — April 4, 2010 @ 2:52 am |
Hemantbhai, A genius works in that way.
http://www.downmelodylane.com/opnaiyyar.html
This is good web site . It gives a list of 71 films and a write up.
Comment by gajanan — February 14, 2007 @ 6:31 am |
Hello Abed,
Thats a great offer.. Would you like me to post your email add. to enable people to get in touch with you?
Hi Hemant,
Clearly you are someone connected with the music industry or atleast passionate about the finer intricacies of musical composition. I loved your comment. maybe you should dissect a few of your favourite songs by Nayyar Saheb and write of it here, so that we can enjoy your observations of the accompaniments he utilised ever so melodiously. Gosh his songs have such a way of uplifting your mood, no matter how much in the doldrums you seem to be.
Another thing.. you Know Hemant at the time that Nayyar Saheb recorded, the song was ‘taken’ in one go..no ‘punches’ and ‘punchin in’ as is done today. So even a slight mistake by either the musician or singer and the whole exercise begins from scratch. To conduct an orchestra with such fine tuning was commendable. Today the scenario is different,
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 14, 2007 @ 11:50 am |
During the recording session, the musicians at the recording studio respected OP because I believe he was the force behind the system of advance payment to the musicians. The musicians loved him because he generally wrapped the song recording within the first 3 takes and within 3 hours compared to other music directors that took 7 to 8 hours. This allowed the musicians the opportunity to play for another recording on the same day so they could earn more (the musicians I believe commanded an average of about Rs150 per song recording per musician during those days in 1976 – at least that was what I know the guitarist, drummer or the conga player made (quite good in those days compared to the cost of living when gasoline may have been about Rs6 and a masala dosa Rs2, sorry but I love dosa!)
On the day of recording, OP would be very punctual and even be at the studio earlier than the scheduled time. As a fan of his he had invited me to see his song recording in 1976. At the studio when he entered the main front door entrance on the ground floor we could feel his aura and the sensation. He walked fast and took us to the second floor where the recording studio was. After talking a bit and offering us chairs he got to his business. Several new and young musicians that had not played for him before were enthralled and mesmerized by his personality and were touching his feet for his blessings. At the studio he was quick and swift, mingled with everyone including the young musicians, and joked. He completed the song recording very quickly in the third take. After the third take he went to the microphone and announced “Pack-up,” which meant that the recording was finalized and that the musicians were free to pack-up and leave. At this point, the musicians cheered and clapped so happily as if they had never experienced a song recording finalized within the first three takes. Many young and older musicians including the chorus singers were getting his blessings by touching his feet. OP was very friendly with everybody in the studio and had the persona and the appeal that clearly made him the center of attraction.
Robin Chatterjee, the sound recordist in charge of the studio, I recall (having heard in those days), had received intimidation from Lata and Asha about boycotting the studio if they recorded Nayyar’s song. But Robin was firm with his beliefs that everybody had the right to use the studio as long as it was paid for. Robin, as I remember during the recording, was a very cool guy and worked with OP in finalizing the song recording.
O P was humble and accessible to his fans. He was sociable and young at heart. I regret not seeing him lately when I was in Bombay in July 2005 due to the heavy rains that lashed the city. Today, OP is not with us, but his songs and music will always be with us forever.
May god bless you Mr Nayyar.
– Hemant
Comment by Hemant — February 14, 2007 @ 10:42 pm |
Hi Kav
My e-mail address is abed9631@yahoo.com. You can pass it around to anybody who’d like to contact me.
By the way-I’m still looking for info about that Rafi song I mentioned in last post.
Comment by Abed — February 14, 2007 @ 10:44 pm |
In one of my many telephone discussions with the great man, he mentioned that the skeleton behind most of his songs was very basic – that it ran on four pieces (tukras) eg
– Huzoorwala, jo ho ijazat, to hum ye saray, jahan se kehden
– Sawan ki ghata chayee, ye dekh ke dil jhooma
li pyar ne angrai, deewana hua badal
– balma khuli hawa mein, mehki hui fiza mein
dil chahta hai mera, behekna idhar udhar
– meri zindagi mein apni, chahat ka rang bhardo
meri jaan tumpe sadqay, ehsaan itna kardo
and one can go on and on.
What really happened was that with this simple the song became catchy, hummable and committed to memory effortlessly and you didn’t even know that it happened. Even his situational songs have been immortal.
Take probably the least heard song of Kismet
One Two Three Baby Ya ya Ya, Ya Ya Ya (Asha/MK)
You just have to hear it once and bingo you will never ever forget the tune. Guaranteed!
Now hear out the lyrics of this unheard of gem
“Zara cherr do aisa naghma koi, ke sari fiza gungunanay lagay,
Jo dil ab tak ulfat se anjaan hai, wafa ke taranay sunanay lagay” ( same 4 tukras)
His style, his signature beat, will always be there. Quality was never compromised.
He even recorded a song outdoors to get the right effect. Any guesses here?? Hint: Its a duet.
He has written an amazing number of songs ( specially the mukhras/asthai)himself but let the lyricist take the credit. He once mentioned to me ” How could I ask anyone to write “Kabhi Aar Kabhi Paar Laga Teeray nazar”?
On his looks, I believe Madhubala had asked him seriously many times that he should think of becoming a hero. Don’t know how far that it true, but he had given me a very romantic picture of the two where he is looking at the camera and she is looking at him.
Before I leave you all, here’s another bummer. For one of his films CID 909, he charged more than the hero(Feroz Khan) and the heroine together. He had told the producer this film has no meat in it and you will get the money back only because of the songs. Guarnteed! And we got in that deal
– Yaar badshaah, yaar dilruba
– Dharka to hoga dil zaroor
– Nadee ka kinara ho
– Tera nikhra nikhra chehra
and many others. The film was a moderate success and the director was grateful to OPN.
It will all be there in his biography.
Best,
Siraj Khan
Boston, USA
Comment by Siraj Khan — February 15, 2007 @ 5:20 am |
Hemant bhai. the info you have given about Robin Chatterji , must be true, for there is not even a hawa ka zokha from gratitude. Time they say is great healer. Kambakt, even death cannot change the atitude of gratitude. Who requires platitudes, when we have multitudes of fans and well wishers on the web site for OPN.
Comment by gajanan — February 15, 2007 @ 9:47 am |
I was a great fan of Nayyar Saheb. Every important juncture of my life had a song which interpreted it so well. I have a huge collection of his numbers. But after coming here I feel as if a family is getting developed.Joined with his tunes and melodies. Its really a lot of information I am getting here..How can Nayyar saheb ever die now! It is true he will always live beyond the physical plane.
Comment by krishnan — February 15, 2007 @ 1:05 pm |
I cannot begin to explain how wonderful my mornings feel when I sit in front of my computer, hands cupped under my chin, a smile playing, coffee long gone cold, and read through the wonderful comments posted here. I can as if transport myself into Nayyar sahebs world so vividly. Thanks so much .
@ Hemant..you mentioned in the previous post about the plethora of instruments used by Nayyar saheb. How did he then manage to synchronise them all in just 2-3 takes? Were there extensive rehearsals prior to that? Or was it just that the musical score for each was written and handed over. I am really curious to know. And you have been truly lucky to have actually attended one of his recordings and seen the genius at work!
‘Huzoore-e-wala’ remains a favourite and the instruments embellish the song wonderfully. I have never heard of the ‘surling’..but will want to find out more on it now.
Ofcourse one can imagine the mesmerising quality of his demeanour. In fact I had met him at a premiere, and can recall clearly his ever smiling countenance, regal air and aura of confidence he carried off so well..inimitable actually. And yes.. he was the highest paid and often the recipient of angry and jealous remarks as well from envious colleagues.
I also have heard of the ‘boycott call’..but Talent finds its patronisers and audience. It is like the rays of the sun, which will peep through at the smallest gap amidst dark clouds, with its brilliance intact..I guess the much like the ‘Om’ and ‘Prakash’ of his name.
Please tell us more,
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 15, 2007 @ 1:40 pm |
@ Abed..Thanks . I guess your e mail’s there now for all to see and those interested will get in touch with you.
Also your query on Rafi sahebs song..I have asked a few knowledgable ones and its posted here as well.. hopefully soon the answer will come through. This space is converting into a Wiki for Nayyar Saheb and it thrills me no end.
@ Siraj Saheb..as usual the tidbits from you are so invigorating.
About the four ‘tukras’ is fascinating. I find myself in spare moments dissecting it thus on all his songs.
However I am intrigued. Was this the ‘meter’ which was given to the lyricists or did he break up the lyrics thus? What one gets to hear is that in order to grant complete creative independence to the lyricist he made them write first and then composed subsequently.
A song out doors? Now thats NEW..and a first even today I
think..Remarkable..Guesses? I am foxed frankly. Because logically the recording quality should have sounded different.And I cannot recall any. Ofcourse I am no authority either..but was it ” Maang ke saath Tumhaara” from Naya Daur? I am dying to know now.
He used to write the ‘asthai’ as well.. Hmmm..I guess since he composed with a certain Rhythm then words which would fit best had to be his creation automatically and set off the lyricist on the path.
The photograph of Madhubala and Nayyar Saheb.. I’m sure you will include that in your bio..It would be really interesting.
Were those CID Songs? They were truly memorable. And of course its not difficult to believe that he would charge more than the lead pair! After all today all we recollect are the songs from that film. Who can deliver such guarantees today with as much confidence! And the bill boards I’m sure read ‘O.P. Nayyars-CID 909″.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 15, 2007 @ 2:34 pm |
Dear Kaveeta
Here is a quickie to answer some of your questions:
The duet I referred to is unique and historical in more ways than one.
Thandi Thandi Hawa, mujhe unka pata,
Laaj aye sakhi kaise, kyon mein bata
( chaar tukras again)
Its a Geeta/Asha number from Johnny Walker(1957)
a film which dealt with the problem of drinking.
That was the only Geeta/Asha track recorded by OPN. Historically, that was also the turning point when Geeta got phased out from his recordings, due to her own personal problems, and Asha was firmly installed as Choice #1. What goes to Geeta’s credit though is that, despite swimming against the current, she delivered big time whenever she got the chance. Soon after Thandi Thandi Hawa, OP recorded all the songs of Howrah Bridge with Asha, and Geeta had to do with just one solo but with Mera Naam Chin Chin Choo she not only delivered but paled all the other hits of the movie, including Yeh Kya kar dala tu ne, dil tera ho gaya, Ayye Mehrbaan etc.
He did not experiment with lyricists. Those who worked with him e.g Jan Nisar Akhtar (Javed Akhtar’s father),Majrooh, SH Behari, et al knew OPN’s meters and format. There are many songs of his which were “cleen sheet’ – pure lyrics given to him for which he composed. However, probably an equal number were those where he gave the “mukhras” and some key words as pointers (like you said) to set them off on a path. Being a poet himself helped him tremendously and that is why the quality of lyrics were never compromised.
One of the things that amazed me no end about him was that he was unable to speak, read or write in Hindi. It was always Urdu, English or Punjabi. I found his English to be immaculate and his Urdu classy.
If anybody is visiting Dubai, do have a dinner at Asha’s (the classy/upscale restaurant owned and managed by Asha Bhosle with her recipes) where a naan is Rs 150. The sound system there is superb and, not surprisingly, they play her hits non-stop. You can also request. I have heard some incredible and rare OPN tracks there. Asha is there 4 or 6 times a year.
More later for our mulaqaat.
Siraj Khan
Boston USA
Comment by Siraj Khan — February 16, 2007 @ 4:57 am |
Thanks for including my comment. I feel Love and Murder songs still best of his composition. Yeh Jeevan kitne bar mele oh sajana tera pyaar mele and Taxi Driver Kha kar tu ne paan and many more are the composition. I would be thank full if any of you are able to inform me where and how to get the casette of the aforesaid
Comment by moolbharati prakash — February 16, 2007 @ 11:01 am |
piyaa piyaa piyaa..
piyaa piyaa piyaa meraa jiyaa pukaare
(ham bhi chalenge sainyaa sang tumhaare) -2
chori chori chori
chori chori chori kaahe hamen pukaare
What song ? What vibrance? Kishore Kumar Ganguly & Asha at their best , with genius of OPN.
(main piyaa tori chhaayaa, main sang sang DolooN
tu jaaye jahaaN sainyaa, main saath tere ho looN) -2
ye rut man bhaati ye din madmaate (This line is simply great). Even after 52 yrs it is an elevating song. One doubts if any new songs will last as long as this song.
Comment by gajanan — February 16, 2007 @ 11:13 am |
Siraj Saheb,
Your description of Nayyar Saheb reminded me so much of my late father.. He wrote and spoke impeccable English and Urdu as well. In fact he was a poet , by hobby, who shared very many social moments with nayyar saheb. Jagjit Singh too has sung my fathers compositions..like
‘Meri ajab hai zindagi kisise se kya gilla karoon
‘
Tanhai rooth jaaye toh, mere khuda main kya karoon”
Or..
“deewaaron dar pe naqsh banane ka hai junoon
khud tujhko aaj tujhse churaane ka hai junoon”
The one ‘shair he often quoted which keeps me going is
” Tundiye bade mukhalif se na ghabra aye auqaab
Yeh to chalti hai tujhe ooncha udaane ke liye”
I have snaps of Papas with Nayyar saheb, which I will show you when we meet.
In fact you can read more of this here.
https://sachiniti.wordpress.com/2006/02/05/an-uncommon-love-story/
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 16, 2007 @ 2:41 pm |
Moolbharati Ji,
Your comment is being read by many.. in case someone has the aforesaid they will definitely bring it to our notice. On my end i will speak to as many as possible.
Regards
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 16, 2007 @ 8:44 pm |
Can someone please tell me the last song recorded by Rafi for OP Nayyar? I truely believe that in any OP Nayyar movie, the songs sung by Mohd Rafi were far greater hits than sung by other singers. Look at CID, Naya Daur, Tumusa Nehee Dekha, Ek Musafir Ek Hasina, Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon, Mere Sanam, and many others. That is why Rafi was the male singer in 90% of his songs throughout his career. There was a reason. Together these two made great songs.
Comment by Asif — February 16, 2007 @ 9:44 pm |
Kaveeta, The actual recording for the 3 or 4 takes would take no more than 15 to 20 minutes. But the 3 or 4 hour session included the distribution of the written musical score to each artist including the singers, preparation and practice by each artist, sound system requirements and adjustments, explanation of the requirements to each artist, mingling, finalizing, packing/unpacking, etc.
Nayyar’s recording were quicker than other music directors because he did not believe in many retakes that would result in diminishing returns. You may notice that in the song Piya Piya Piya mera jiya pukara Asha had made an error when Kishore Kumar was to continue the second antara. However, Nayyar finalized the song with the error.
You bring a good point though about the rehearsal, Kaveeta. I didn’t recall any rehearsal taking place though. I’m not sure how Nayyar operated outside the studio, but I can tell you how LP worked (and there may be some parallels here). Laxmikant would have a sitting session at his home in Juhu every evening where the key musicians met (Laxmiji would be on harmonium/mandoin with his klan – assistant music directors, guitarist, dholak, conga, sometimes the lyricist, etc.) The inception of tunes and the percussion and accompaniment would start during these sessions which were later shared with the producer for their buy-in. The assistants managed the written musical score for the artists.
OP used many renowned artists such as Hariprasad for flute among other flutist, Shiv Kummar for Santoor, Hazara Singh for electric Hawaiin guitar, etc. These musicians are/were professionals and had previous experience with OP and were quick to understand his requirements.
Comment by Hemant — February 17, 2007 @ 1:59 am |
i would be interested in paying money to someone who has a complete collection of OP sahib’s songs. His music was melodious, haunting, mesmerizing, enchanting and plain thrilling. his music is immortal.
Comment by Jatinder Vohra — February 17, 2007 @ 10:38 am |
Came here through PodioIndia. Nicely written stuff, and so many knowledgeable comments here – I should have come to this blog a lot earlier.
I am a die hard OP fan myself and was sad to hear the news of his demise. I wrote some on OP myself – last year (OP, RD and AR), and a short tribute few weeks ago after the news.
Wanted to ask Siraj if he is planning to complete the bio with help from OP’s friends and well wishers now. Siraj, let us know when your work is complete.
Comment by silkboard — February 18, 2007 @ 1:00 am |
The last songs of Rafi/OP (solo) were recorded for Bin Maa Ke Bachchey in 1979. None of them were real hits though. Heera Moti (1979 as well)had duets. Again no great shakes there.
I thought that OPN’s last flickers of real brilliance were seen in Nishchaiy (1992).
Kisee Haseen Yaar Ki Talaash Hai (Amit Kumar/Kavita)’s duet in the Pukarta Chala hoon Mein mould, is a treat.
Dekho Dekho Tum, Ho Gaya Mein Gum kitni Haseen raat Hai (Amit/Kavita) is another great one with the usual OP magic flowing through. Actually this Salman/Karishma starrer is a pretty decent movie to watch, with an excellent background score. Vinod Khanna looks cool.
Qamar Jalalabadi and Noor Dewasi, the lyricists/poets, were with him right upto the end of his film composing days.
In fact, for those who have not heard it, get hold of “The Loves Of Runa Laila” – a private album where OPN and Runa Laila form Bangladesh experimented and have weaved together some great tracks with Noor Dewasi’s lyrics.
* Meri Jaan Mein Tujh pe Fida, De Saza Chahe jitni mujhe
* Allah Re Is Dil Ne Kya Cheez pasand ki hai
* Meri dilbar haseena ( reactivated from the archives. Originally formatted for Rafi)
*Aaja Piya Bahon Mein
bear OP’s signatures with your eyes closed. These can be easily taken in any film of today and turn into megahits.
Kaveeta Kaul, those wonderful lines have taken me into a different directions. Its now more evident to me where you get your “roohani ghiza” from. Please allow me the privilege of getting to know more of your father’s kalaam.
And to end this message on poetry. There are many who may not be aware that it was OP Nayyar who actually wrote those beautiful lyrics for “Preetam Aan Milo” and composed this gem as a teenager. His intent was to sing it himself but he realized that his voice was not deep enough for it and an in came C.H. Atma and the rest, as they say, is history. Later, much later, OP re-recorded this song in Geeta Dutts’s soulful voice for Mr & Mrs 55. I read somewhere that this was one of Guru Dutt’s all time favourites.
Best,
Siraj Khan
Boston, MA
Comment by Siraj Khan — February 18, 2007 @ 2:34 am |
In this web site many have poured their heart out for OPN. Mahesh Bhatt’s tribute that OPN shaped the voice of Asha Bhonsle was an acknowledgment , with an open mind. Now , SK had written that , there is an restaurtant in Dubai and Asha B visits there many times. So lets change the latitude for gratitude. Samajh gaye na Guru!!!!. Jara Deep think kar lo.
Comment by gajanan — February 19, 2007 @ 7:58 am |
Why not hold a function for OPN in Dubai sometime this year in “Yehi woh zagah hai” restaurant and collect funds for OPN’s super duper web site and of course hand it over to the ones who cared for him in Thane.
Comment by gajanan — February 20, 2007 @ 8:30 am |
Hi Hemant,
Oh Yes.. I recall well that ‘mistake’ by Asha in ‘piya piya ..she began on her ..aa aa before kishore repeated his line..It was such a valid example you brought in and one which only few really noticed..Kinda establishes bondedness.
Over the years recording procedures have changed so drastically, things have gotten so much more convenient, with ‘punching’ and tracks et al that it befuddles one all the more on the almost ‘amazing feat’ kinda quality of those days.
I have attended quite a few recordings lately , as well as say a decade ago and some much earlier..and the graph of technological wizcraftry is something. Although whether or not it has added to the melody of musical scores is highly debatable..Why would we be eulogising stalwarts such as Nayyar Saheb today, decades later if not for that sole reason.. their unadulterated genius!
When you mention the masters of santoor and guitar and sarod and sarangi.. it feels so nostalgic today when the Keyboard is that single “Masterji” with its robotic attribute, which has replaced the energy of those who had perhaps dedicated their lives to the honing of a single skill to do with the instrument of their choice. If composite energy is a factor that determines the success, failure or even plainly the journey of a song, what is lacking today then is the varied contributions of different souls, each gifting a melody his particular brand of ingenuity.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 20, 2007 @ 10:20 am |
@ Asif..Siraj Saheb has responded to your query on Rafis last song with Nayyar ji.
@ silkboard..koi baat nahin..der aaye durust aaye..aaye to sahi. I guess this space on Nayyar Saheb will attract all his fans like say ‘parwana to shama’.
@Siraj Saheb,
With each post of yours here on Sachiniti, the curiosity for your book increases. One will happily give it centrestage on its publication so that the announcement will afford his admirers to get a ‘up close and personal view’ of O.P. Nayyar.. his life, his times and his genius.
Thanks so much for your kind words on my fathers poetry. We are in the process of sifting through his collections, and getting them printed. It might really astound you as to the deep thought, and ‘hunar’ of Papas craft as well as his vast knowledge of the language of Urdu , the correctness of the ‘wazan’ of his lines. He oft expressed great regret if somebody misquoted Ghalib or faiz or the other greats.. He recited them all verbatim…AAhh.. ‘Kahaan gaye woh log?” Dont make people like them anymore.
Comment by kaveetaakau — February 20, 2007 @ 10:32 am |
@ Gajanan..It is a great idea..also provide ideas on execution..If one comes to think of it, with the number of supporters increasing every day here, one could formulate some kind of plan.
Immediately what I would like to do is post a podcast or something on this site of his songs..either on this post or running on the site.. Can someone advise me on how to go about it> I can be quite technically challenged.
It would be lovely to have a song playing like ”deewwaana hua pagal’., or ”aap yunhi agar’..on the site..
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 20, 2007 @ 10:58 am |
In an interview to Amin Sayani OP said that lyrics of the song PRITAM AAN MILO sung by C H ATMA was his own and not by his wife Saroj mohini NayyarHe had named his wife to HMV to get extra Rs 10/-for this lyric.For this OP got Rs 20/[10 for music direction+ 10 for lyrics]He told Amin Sayani that if he said that Lyrics was his he would not have been paid that Rs 10.Singer CH atma got 10/-for singing this song.This is based on kalyani raga and is tuned melodiously by the great master.
Comment by gkiyer — February 21, 2007 @ 9:51 pm |
Thank you so much Siraj Sahib for the information on Rafi’s last song for OP Nayyar. It is too bad that at end of his carrer, he was mostly given low budget films, and the songs did not have the old magic.May be he did not have the same number of instruments left. Any comments?
Comment by Asif — February 22, 2007 @ 12:13 am |
Kaveetaa kaul, this website has become so exciting to read and share our thoughts. Write-ups by Siraj sahib and Gajanan sahib have been very fascinating.I cannot wait to see and read the forthcoming book by Siraj sahib. May God give him the strength to complete the book the soonest.
Kaveetaa,you have been like a soul in the body of this website for reaching to most of us. keep it up !!!
It is so true Great men shine when they are no more with us. This is so true for Nayyar Sahib.I could never imagine there would be so many others beside me who loved his music so much. He and his works will live for all times to come.
Ashraft
Comment by Ashraft — February 23, 2007 @ 12:47 pm |
BABUJI (OP NAYYAR SAHEB),
BORN AS AN AVATAR OF MUSIC PASSED ON AS AN AVATAR REJOICE THAT HE HAS TOUCHED OUR LIVES FOREVER
HIS STATEMENT THAT HIS MUSIC WAS CREATED IN THE PRESNCE OF GOD AND HIS OWN DEPTHS STANDS
AS THE ONLY TRUTH THAT IS THERE APART FROM HIS IMMORTAL MUSIC
Comment by uma shankar vajpeyi — February 24, 2007 @ 2:35 am |
Thanks so much for that tid bit Mr. Iyer..Its so good to feel in touch with all of you who have such detailed and interesting information on the life of Nayyar saheb and ‘those’times, which seem so far away..almost unreal..Rs 10..for a song.
My father Mr. Chandar Oberoi too used to often speak of it. He and Mr. Nayyar are from the same place in Pakistan called Chakwal..hence their friendship was almost akin to brotherly love. My father is no more, hence I could not really fill in any gaps. But as a poet who took it up as a hobby he and Nayyar saheb shared memories.. I remember the parties at our house with all these talented people coming often..like Kishore Kumar, B.R. Chopra, Ashok Kumar, Majrooh Sultanpuri, Sahir Ludhianvi, ..so many of them..It used to be Mushaira time with music and shairi..galore.Although my father never touched alcohol,he readily served it for a few..In fact everybody often teased Papa that how could he be a poet if he did not consume ‘madira’.. but my father never relented. You can read more of him here.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 24, 2007 @ 9:02 am |
Ashraft saheb,
Your kind words mean a lot.. I often have tears on reading or writing here..Time is great University.It gives you a lot but when it takes away a loved one you are allowed to be left with nothing but memories and are forced to salute Time. Going back and reliving life through Nayyar sahebs compositions is the thread which binds us to that part of life which is gone but not dead..its palpably alive and throbbingly fresh ..one hopes to keep it this way.
It is not me, Sir, but all of you who are the kind, loving souls of this space..your contribution and energy keeps it going from strength to strength.. just as perhaps how Nayyar saheb would have liked it to be..
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 24, 2007 @ 9:12 am |
Nearly four weeks have passed since our friend O.P. Nayyar has left his earthly home. I never met him in person. However, when the news on his demise reached me, I felt as though I lost one of my family members. I am still in pain.
However, I am available to join hands with other fans and contribute in any way to keep OP’s name and memories alive.
I am looking for a song sung by Asha. It goes some thing like ” O Gori sharam au na, hum sai kahato jara, baath kya kya hoi, raat kaise kathi”. If any one of you have this song, please let me know.
I look forward to participating more in sharing information and songs of O.P.
Comment by Krishna Baru — February 25, 2007 @ 8:25 am |
I am thrilled to see so many fans of O.P.Nayyar posting their eulogies on his songs. I too am a Die-hard fan of OP, immersed
in my youth in the flood of his most ceative and distinctive outpourings from his baton.
I too want to share my nostalgic feelings and pay my tributes to that rythm king who is no more.
I write down here many of those feelings which come flooding down memory lane.
Pl. allow me to stress one point to his great credit. No other composer gave so many wonderful songs in so many low rated films as OP , that too without Lata. Every song of his was unique in one way or other and let us not apply the usual yardsticks of popularity, Binaka awards etc to his songs.
Many writers before me have already mentioned the merits of many well-known songs. while fully agreeing with all those opinions, i would like to deviate slightly and bring to notice many other less known songs, less often talked
about by fans of later generation.
Let me begin with his very early films. “Ai dil hai deewane” from Baaz by Geetha. He was already giving Geetha a new style of singing which was to make her very popular. How many twists and turns he made her go through!! And the Talat piece “Mujhe dekho hasrat”, a haunting melody from the same film.
Then let me recall the 4 great songs of the obscure Mangu. ” Man more
gaa” was in a class by itself, very enticing song laced with accordion music. “Dol mere man pyarse”and exhillerating piece of composition and singing by any standard. Shamshad has alwyas a happy tone. Hear it in “Jara pyar karle babu”nicely blended with piano and saxophone musical intrerludes. and lastly from that same film a sweet melodious duet “Bol pardeisia”
Let me not forget to mention one song from Qaidi which is very rarely heard. It goes something like this…. “Taana naadir naa tana tatani…. Be dard preet nahin jaani” by Asha and Usha (I dont have this song and will be indebted to any one who can send). A wonderul claasical No. from one who doesnt know saregama. The same film has “Kuch to aisi baat kar jaalim” by
Asha, with deceptive pathos attracts us to hear it again and again.
I would like to mention a few others, before i close this already too long post. Melodious Suraiya no.”Soyee hai kahaan” from Mr. Lambu, “Jhuka jhuka hai” By Mukhesh and Geetha from Miss coca cola, “Gamm nahin kar mushkura”, the exhillerating piece from choomantar(among other great songs of that film), “Thodasa dil lagaake de…tarara rara rampam” By shamshad and Rafi from Musafirkhana, real mood elevator, really made us jump and dance in the theatre, that sober melody from Akalmand, “Khoobsoorat saathi”. Well, there are many many more… , i can talk for hours at a stretch extolling the greatness of each of those. More because, i had the benefit of the first impact in my youth, as Nayyar gave his most innovative creations in
those films with stars like sheikh mukthar, Bhagvan, Johny walker etc.
If any one is interested to share his liking for OP with others kindred spirit, i will be willing to chat on yahoo or eamil
me at: cumrao@yahoo.com
Just one word Kavitaji and Hemantji: while going thro your posts, i came across the “mistake” in Piya piya piya in baapre baap. In the film, it was cleverly shown as mistake by chand usmani, who started to sing prmaturely, and Kishore shuts her up with his hand on her mouth.
Comment by curao — February 25, 2007 @ 7:50 pm |
I am ready to be corrected, if there are any mistakes in my comment of Feb. 25th or words in the songs. Pl. attribute them to my old age (67) and to my lack of knowledge of Hindi.
In the list of Nayyar’s films posted by someone. the film Milap was included. Milap. as far as I can remeber, had N.Dutta as composer.
In another post, i read that “Thandi thandi hawa”, as the only Asha-Geetha duet under OP. Again as far as my memory goes there are at least 2 more songs: “Jhuki Jhuki nazar” in the same film Johny walker and another song from Mr.Quartoon M.A. I forgot the first line of this song but the 2nd line was:”Tum kitna beautifulhai kitna wonderful”. Any one is free to point out if iam wrong.
curao
Comment by curao — February 26, 2007 @ 6:06 pm |
Curaoji
We are really proud of your contribution. You must help in getting all the songs to be put in the web site fr OPNji. it should be the mother of all web sites as far as film music is concerned. There are many personalities in the Indian heritage who have not had training in their field of excellence, for example Kavi Kalidas, who was not considered by anybody as of even average intelligence. But look what Kalidas wrote. Incomparable poetry in Sanskrit. Prabhu ki Lila is something one cannot fathom. OPN was such a man, living upto to the great quote of Swami Vivekananda , that every soul is potentially divine. Woh kya kehte hai ” Ubhar aana Chahiye talent , which is what OPNji did. He must have faced a lot of trouble for this for sure. It would be interesting to know from someone, the resistance , he faced from the trained ones and the established ones. I have no idea of that. Someone should write on this. OPNji could be an inspiration for many who seek a career in music.
Comment by gajanan — February 27, 2007 @ 5:12 am |
I am a regular viewer of this site and if this is so useful and interesting then how much the website on OPNji which is to be developed ? Here I am mentioning another film which was the last release of OPNji not “ZID” in 1994 as mentioned somewhere. There is a film called “Mangni” which was released in the year 1995-96. The film was the production of “Lalitashree combines” of south India. I do not remember exactly how many songs are there but may be 6 to 7 and all are sung by veteran singers of south SP Balasubramanyam and S Janaki. All the songs are penned by Qamar Jalalabadi which are very rich in melody and OPNji scored the music very differently. For last 10 years I am trying to get the DVD/CD of film only for songs and background music. Can enybody having the songs ? Or anybody can help me to get the same ?
with regards,
G N Murty
Rajahmundry, Andhra Pradesh
India
Comment by G N MURTY — February 27, 2007 @ 10:33 am |
Its amazing ..the wealth of information there is available here on Nayyar Saheb ..it only goes to prove that talent finds its connoisseurs, across barriers, even of generations.
Krishna Baru welcome..We look forward to your views. The song you have mentioned and the query relating to it, will be answered sooner or later.. the ‘gyaanis ‘ visiting here are unique and knowledgable.
Curao ji,
Your contribution , like Gajanan has mentioned is unique.. You are so much senior than us and therefore have provided us with more than we could have gathered on our own. Welcome Sir, and thank you.
Gajanan,
You have with your touching comments and insights, love for Nayyar sahib and closeness to his soul, become an invaluable part of this post..Cannot thank you enough.
@ G.N. Murthy..one needs blessings and good wishes for the endeavour. Thanks for your kind words.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — February 28, 2007 @ 6:00 pm |
Dear Kaveeta
Writing from New Delhi.
Please call me at Hilton Towers early Sat March 3 morning and then we could schedule a time to meet in the evening.
Thanks
Siraj
Comment by Siraj Khan — February 28, 2007 @ 9:00 pm |
G N Murty Ji. Yes, Mangi, was 0PN’s last film. One of the song of this movie is my all-time favourite. Murtyji ,if you read my post here in Sachiniti ( number 64), I had mentioned about Mangni.There is yet another film that was released in the ninetees, other than Nishchy and Zid. I have all the songs of Mangni and also of the other movie (that I am forgetting the name), back in Pakistan. I am not in my home country ,right now. However, I will contact my son back home if he can seach my cds and send it across so I can send it to you .
Comment by Ashraft — March 1, 2007 @ 6:45 am |
Dear Siraj Saheb,
Will surely do so.
Regards
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 1, 2007 @ 9:03 am |
Dear Ashrafat Sir,
I have no words, but thank you very much for your kind reply and assurance to send the copy of CD to me.
with regards,
G N Murty
Rajahmundry
Andhra Pradesh
Comment by G N MURTY — March 1, 2007 @ 3:45 pm |
Dear Kaveeta Kaul
Mestro Nayyar gave an interview on 15th Dec, at banglore. He spoke lot of things about his personal relationship with Asha. I think it is usefull to Siraj who is writing his biography. I would like to share this piece of information with the fans and whoever is interested they can contact me. Perhaps this is the last interview which he has given to the press.
psm_try@yahoo.co.in
Comment by Mool Bharati Prakash — March 1, 2007 @ 7:07 pm |
Thank you Gajaananji and Kaveetaji for your apreciation of my little coments on OPN songs.
I will do whatever i can do to contribute to the website you are planning. However iam not a coputer expert.
Yes, I really take great plesure in recalling his films and songs apreciating the nuances in music , intonation, picturization etc.. Most of his songs have indelible association with events in my own life: like when i heard that song , where, when realtive to my academic activites, which theatre etc. That is what makes OPN so dear and special to me. Somehow, such feelings of
elation and nostalgia are not aroused when i hear the songs of other great composers, Though they have also made that period 1950-70, about which we can say “when music was king” . Then after all it was OPN who brought music to the forefront to evaluate films in those days.
I would take this occassion to mention 2 songs of his and invite comments of other fans.
“Yahan hum vaham tum”, by Geetha and Rafi in shrimati 420, especially the music part in the beginning and interludes. Was it violin?
The 2nd is “Kabhi andhera Kabhi ujala” title song ny Asha. Perhaps the most soulful song ever composed by him. Its very unusual song for him. And compare that with “Na jaao saiyyan” in Saheb bibi. I find both very similar except in the slight diffrences in intonation and twists of Geetha’s tone in contrast to Asha’a.
curao
Comment by curao — March 1, 2007 @ 7:26 pm |
Most music directors (MDs) of the past had mastery in one or more musical instruments.
Laxmikant had mastery in mandolin, Pyarelal in violin, RD in mouth organ. Nayyar’s mastery was in harmonium and piano. I’ve heard that he had personally played harmonium in a few of his own compositions (cannot confirm though) such as Leke pehla pehla pyar (CID), Kajra mohabat wala (Kismet), Bekanar ki chundri od ke (Pran jaye per wachan na jaye), etc.
Piano was one of Nayyar’s favorite instruments and he had used it in many of his compositions including his last films (Nischay/Zid, 92/94). Most MDs have considered piano as extinct since long. Nayyar was quite knowledgeable in piano and has created some wonderful compositions with piano accompaniment.
Take for instance the song “Jo diya tha tum ne mujko” sung by Mahendra Kapoor and Hemant Kummar in the film Sambandh. The song starts with a simple musical piece in piano – an Arpeggio in E flat below the middle C (I didn’t know this until my daughter pointed it to me). This is a two octave Arpeggio that is repeated a few times in the beginning. The piano piece is not complicated but what’s interesting is that that the whole composition is based on the notes of the E flat Arpeggio. Nayyar has wonderfully used Mahendra Kapoor starting at E flat above the middle C with “jis baug may mai janma khela” and then beginning with the mukhada “Jo diya tha tum ne mujko” on E flat below the middle C. Notice the other instruments wonderfully used in this song – violin, surling, dholak #31 and #43, tabla, flute, etc.
Comment by Hemant — March 2, 2007 @ 4:35 am |
I am also a die-hard fan of OP .
I grew up hearing and singing Malayalam songs. It was way back in 1971 that I happened to see his film “Mere Sanam” from a cinema theatre in Mysore. I noticed that all the songs (Pukarta chala hoon main; Humdam mere maan bhi jao; Huve hai thum pe aashiqe; Roka kayi bar meine dil ki umang ko; Jaayiye aap kahan jayenge; Tukde hai mere dil ki, etc) of the film, which had been released about four or five years ago and which was being screened again, were extremely melodious. From that day I started listening to Hindi film songs in radio programmes, in order to acquaint myself with the works of various Hindi film music composers. Within a short period I found that more than 90% of the film songs for which OP composed music were true melodies and thus began my admiration for OP ! On one occasion, some of my Malayalee friends, who came to meet me at my residence in Bangalore in 1974/1975, expressed surprise over my selection of OP as my favorite Music Director. I was wondering what to do when one of them asked me if I could accompany him and his other friends and spend some time at his flat. I readily agreed and there, at my friend’s flat, I found a film journal in Malayalam. While glancing through the journal, to my utter surprise, I came across a news captioned : “ O.P.Nayyar, who is known as the Emperor of Hindi film music, escaped from a motor accident” – referring to an accident involving the car in which OP and Asha Bhosle were returning after recording a song for the film “Pran Jaye Par Vachan Na Jaye”. Just the description of OP as the ‘Emperor of Hindi film music’ was sufficient for me to convince my friends about the superiority of OP’s music.
I do not have words to adequately express my sorrow on his passing away. It is, however, some consolation to know that there are innumerable persons who grieve over his sad demise.
Apart from Runa Laina, OP had composed music for two other ghazal singers separately, viz. Ashok Khosla and Peenaz Masani. One has to hear these cassettes to appreciate how well he succeeded in giving his famous ‘OP touch’ to each song/ghazal sung by these two artistes. In fact, it would be a good idea to list OP’s songs by various singers because that would enable us to know that there is not a singer who has not done his or her best for each song sung under OP’s baton.
Asha Bhosle has sung several classical songs also under OP’s music direction. In fact, Raju Bharatan has listed some of them in a cover story on Asha Bhosle, captioned “50 years of playback singing”, published in a complimentary supplement with the “Screen” magazine, called ‘Screen Channel’, dated June 2, 1995.
I take this opportunity to convey my regards and best wishes to Kaveeta ji, all OP fans and all those who are trying to perpetuate his memory.
Keloth Macheendran,
( e-mail ID )
“Surabhi”, Angadithazha,Badagara-673105,
Kozhikode district, Kerala
Comment by Keloth Macheendran — March 2, 2007 @ 10:59 pm |
Hi Anu Sen,
Your reminiscences about O P Nayyar are really beautiful…
Do post some more of your memories (as a child) about him. We would simply love to hear more about him (during those days) and his family.
Also, I would like to offer my condolences to his biological family. Your post really shed some light on their personalities, which is very refreshing, especially in view of all the judgemental assumptions.
Comment by Muks — March 3, 2007 @ 4:53 pm |
Keloth Macheendran,
hamadam mere, maan bhii jaao
kahanaa mere pyaar kaa
are halkaa-halkaa, surkh labo.n pe
ra.ng to hai iqaraar kaa – 2
are hamadam mere
hoy
pyaar muhobbat kii havaa, pahale chalatI hai
phir ik laT inakaar kii, rukh pe DhalatI hai – 2
ye sach hai kam se kam, tuu ai mere sanam
laTe.n chehare se sarakaao, tamannaa aa.Nkhe malatI hai
haay, hamadam mere
haay
tumase mil-mil ke sabaa, duniyaa mahakaaye
bAdal ne chorii kiye, A.Nchal ke sa.ng – 2
ye sach hai kam se kam, tuu ai mere sanam
churaa luu.n mai.n bhii do jalave, meraa aramaan bhii rah jaaye
haay, hamadam mere
These lines below are great specially after phir ek Lat inkaar ki , what singing by Rafi and matching music by OPN. We had a group when we were young , after exams we used to play this song and dance. Stress gayab.
{{{hoy
pyaar muhobbat kii havaa, pahale chalatI hai
phir ik laT inakaar kii, rukh pe DhalatI hai – 2
ye sach hai kam se kam, tuu ai mere sanam
laTe.n chehare se sarakaao, tamannaa aa.Nkhe malatI hai}}}
Comment by gajanan — March 6, 2007 @ 4:17 am |
@ Mool Bharati Ji,
I will write to you shortly and then maybe we can publish your last interview with Nayyar saheb on Sachiniti.. I am sure there are a good number of us here interested in knowing his views and thoughts, at this stage of his life..Thanks
@ Curao ji,
I cannot seem to recall the song you are referring to from Kabhi andhera…such a pity.. I would have liked to compare it with ‘na jaayon saiiyan’..another great composition liltingly rendered by Geeta Dutt.
@ Hemant,
Your posts as usual always a delight. The mention of arpeggio ..I am sure he had no inkling of the technical aspects of his compositions.. He composed as if blessed by the Gods to create and ascribe to music a new connotation…amazing.
The piano was such a trademark..unmistakably Op nayyar.. In fact Rd Burman too has used it occasionally as a majoor accompaniment..One which I can recall off hand is the asthayee of ‘pyaar deewaana hota hai mastana hot hai”..from Kati Patang.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 6, 2007 @ 2:05 pm |
@ Keeloth Machhendran..
Welcome ..Yes we are quite a motley crowd here at Sachiniti sharing a unique bond, developed and stengthened through our admiration and respect for O.P.Nayyar.
The songs from Mere Sanam, which you have mentioned are among my favourites..Its amazing, today there may be a song or two which you like in a film, but with Nayyar Saheb, as in the case of Mere sanam, all of them were stupendous in their popularity and in their compositions. I think besides him there was S.D. Burman and Pancham da, who also gave us music which rarely seemed to miss the mark..as also Naushad saheb, Khayyam, Jaidev..to name a few other stalwarts.
One had heard of a new singer Dilraj Kaur from Punjab, who had adapted herself to the mellifluous characterisation Of Asha bais voice, and who Op saheb had included in quite a number of his later compositions, post his split with Asha Bhonsale. Dilraj too I think had unmistakable talent .
I have not heard of Peenaaz Massaani and Op sahebs album..it must truly have been a worth while hear. Incidentally Peenaaz has also sung a number of ghazals penned by my late father.
Regards
Kaveetaa kaul
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 6, 2007 @ 2:17 pm |
Friends,
Siraj Khan was in Mumbai recently, and we met up . It was nice to chat, exchange information and get to recognise each others passion for music and the high regard for the maestro. He informed me of his meeting with Nayyar sahebs near and dear ones at Thane,and the fond memories they shared. His book will contain all of this and much more I presume. It is always so delightful to meet up with those who across all boundaries come together in a space merely because of a shared passion..the net has been a unique achievement of this century which has brought the world closer in more ways than one..Its this and such instances which make me feel gratified that I embarked on my blogging journey..
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 6, 2007 @ 2:30 pm |
Kaveetaji,
I can send you that title song of Kabhi andhera kabhi ujala. but how i dont know I can send in yahoo as an attachment.
I too admire na jaao saiyyan and geetha’s rendering of it. And i am not casting aspersions on Hemant kumar for copying it either. May be both of them used same raga. However, one has to hear carefully to recognise the similarity in the basic structure of the songs.
No wonder you dont recall that song of Kabhi andhera…. . I t is very rarely heard since the time of controversial release of that flop film.
curao
Comment by curao — March 6, 2007 @ 9:58 pm |
Thanks to all of you for sharing all kinds of information on O.P. I left India in 1971 for U.S. and have had very limited access to the news in respect to O.P. A few years back, I could not find much material but so much information is now available on my favourite music director. It gives me so much pleasure to read all this mail.
I am willing to pay to add to my collection.
May be I can meet some of you in my next trip to India.
With warm regards,
Krishna Baru
Comment by Krishna Baru — March 7, 2007 @ 8:22 am |
The way OPNji made Mahendra Kapoor sing was something nobody could have achieved. MK was always a singer associated with a loud voice, which was used by Manoj Kumar very well for patriotic songs. But for OPN MK sang ” Baharein Phir Bhi Aaayegi and Thumara Chahane wala Khuda ki Duniya me. Cannot fathom MK could sing so well. Regarding music directors , then and now, Kaveeta ji , there is a lot of difference. Music dominates words , and probably Lucknow, say UP, has been replaced by other cities in lyric writing. There is a lot of rusticness and synthetic stuff in the lyrics compared to the softness of the yesteryears. For example Tere Ghar ke Samne ” Dil ka Bhanwar Kare Pukar …” What lyrics and the softness it emanates. SD Burman was a master of ceremonies in this. He used Rafi very well. Guide ke gane is a testimony to this. Burman Sr used even Kishore very well for his softies. Gham aaj Shayir hai….; In fact when I was in a function overseas , for an concert when ” Phoole ke Rang se” was sung on the stage , the whole audience started singing the song. Such was the power of their music and lyrics that it made one stop and think. OPN had high regard for SD Burman. I have read this somewhere. If somebody can point the reference it would be good. Lyrics are the most important aspect of a song to last long. The song by John Lennon ” Imagine” is still among the top five , because it has very powerful words , that you stop and think and say ” Duniya me kyo itna Jang hai”. Once I had gone to an Udipi restaurant. A very senior person, wanted extra sambhar for his dosa and requested the waiter to bring one cup. The cup was there , but the man was angry and was murmuring to me ” Yeh Sambhar tho aaj kaal ka Hindi picture ka lyrics jaisa hai” I was, sitting opposite to him, asked him ” Kyo ji Kya hua”.
“Arre Pura Paani hai , No dhal at all.
Dhal yeh song ka lyrics jaisa hai.
Without Dhal Sambhar me kya maza, just like water , brother, like modern Hindi film lyrics”
So, bring back the dhal into Hindi film songs.
Comment by gajanan — March 7, 2007 @ 8:40 am |
Dear Gajananji,
I fully agree with your opinion that both OP and SD were able to harness the singers’ voices and deliver very soft and melodious numbers. Even before SD discovered Kishore, it was OP who used Kishore extensively. Turning to MK’s association with O.P., please do not forget the two numbers from the movie “Kahin Din Kahin Raat”. I have the old 78 RPM record that has these two songs. In my opinion, the best song of MK for OP was “Mera Pyar whoi hi ki, mar kar be thum ko” from Yeh Raat Phir Na Ayegi.
Krishna Baru
Comment by Krishna Baru — March 7, 2007 @ 10:17 am |
While talking of Kishore and OP. let us not forget the memorable duet from Naya Andaaz, “Meri needone me tum” with , of all female singers, Shamshad. it is a perennial favourite of mine, used to often broadcasted by radio ceylon in one program or other. one of the sweetest ever by OP.
Comment by curao — March 7, 2007 @ 7:08 pm |
curao ji,
this song you have mentioned is also my favourite.Shamshad begum was not a singer i liked very much but just like mahendra kapoor it is op ji who made such melody that even they voices sounded so good.
Comment by raja harishchandra — March 7, 2007 @ 7:54 pm |
Surma Mera Nirala by Kishore Kumar, film Kabhi Andhera Kabhi Ujala, Music by OPN, Lyrics Majrooh. Here OPN has turned Kishore’s eccentricity into greatness.
Comment by gajanan — March 8, 2007 @ 5:04 am |
tumhAre husn kI tArIf AInA bhI kare
to mai.n tumhArI qasam hai ke to.D dU.N usako
by SS Bihari, MK sings this lyrics very well in KDKR. What Kambakt Ishq can do , break mirrors and what level of attachment expressed in words , music and the jasbad is ka-mal in these two lines. MK has sung it very well under OPN. Yeh hai sambhar ka dhal
Comment by gajanan — March 8, 2007 @ 5:12 am |
Can someone clarify on this point?There was an early film in OPN’s carreer, perhaps before Aar paar, for which OP and Roshan gave music together. Was it Mehbooba?
Comment by curao — March 11, 2007 @ 7:51 pm |
Harischhndraji,
I am glad that you too like that song from Naya anddaz. But, as far as Shamshad is concerned, Let us give her due credit. She sang such memorable songs for OP; like, Kabhi aar paar, Booz mera kya naamre, Reshmi salwaar(with Asha), Jara pyar karle babu(from Mangu). She too contributed to the richness of hindi film music in that golden era. Many songs sung by her for Naushad and C.Ramchandra were great hits in those days before 1950. Bachpan ke din of Deedar, Mohobbat karne waalon ne and Oh dilwaalon dilka lagana, both from Patanga are some examples. She has a natural mirthful jolly tone which suits very well for Qawalis. well, any way we all have different tastes and one cant really explain why a particular song appeals appeals to one.
Comment by curao — March 11, 2007 @ 8:38 pm |
I am a late comer to this blog. I realize that my collection of O.P.’s compositions is not very significant compared with others. Can we set up a centralized association or library and fans would register and list their personal information and their collection of songs? We can take it one step further by having periodical newsletters.
We will leave the exchange to be worked out between the individuals. The individuals can mutually agree on how they would like to share individual collections and if any monetary consideration would be involved.
I am willing to share my personal information such as, postal address, phone number, and e-mail to encourage the free flow of information and strengthen rapport among the fans and friends of our beloved music maestro. The best tribute we can pay to O.P. would be to develop and maintain strong communication and foster strong bond among ourselves. We want to keep fond memories of O.P. and his contributions alive for present and future generations.
I look forward to hearing comments from all of you.
Thanks.
Comment by Krishna Baru — March 11, 2007 @ 9:35 pm |
Curao and Harishchandra ji,
I fully concur with both of you that Shamsad Begum was super in the Naya Andaaz duet with Kishore. Another lilting duet composed by O.P. utilizing Shamsad’s voice was from Howrah Bridge (Rafi being the other voice). The lyrics of this song goes something like this ” Main jan gai thuja sajna, math chod more baya”.
I hope the idea of having a fan club and may be a web site dedicated solely to O.P. would find favour with all fans. Siraj and Kavita ji have already put in substantial effort and can lead us.
Thnanks for your time.
Comment by Krishna Baru — March 12, 2007 @ 9:37 am |
Hi Gajanan,
Oh Yes..the falling standards of lyrics has been a sore point. Its reflective of the pop culture and need to simplify things for easy assinmilation..In the good ole days it wasnt just the lyrics but stories of films which had substance, poignancy and meaning. In fact a majority of serials made today are ‘lifts’ from the story lines of old films, recycled with glitz , modenised an presented.. re-hashed creativity..plagiarism is a norm more than an exception today.
Raja Mehdi ali khan, Majrooh, Sahir Ludhianvi, Kaifi azmi, Shailendra and his simplicity…How can one forget the alluding to death renedered do simply in ‘sajan re jhooth mat bolo khuda ke paas jaana hai, na haathi hai na ghoda hai wahan paidal hi jaana hai’..the particular use of words since it was a rustic bullock cart owner singing it.. This was the extent to which detail was respected.
And the anecdote of sambar was hillarious as also true.
Hi Krishna,
I have never really been a great fan of Mk’s style of singing especially when most of it had to do with robust vocal chords. But the song you mentioned is an example of how melody can transform or rather make acceptable any tenor of voice.. ‘mera pyar wooh hai ki’ was lovely.
We need to keep the effort going to keep alive his memory and his songs. I have made this post a permanent feature on my home page, just so that the mention of O.P.Nayyar is always in continuum on Sachiniti. I am in the process of creating a compilation of his songs which are my personal favourites and post them here on a song widget, mp3.. Any thing else , you all recommend I will be only too willing to comply with.
Regards
Kaveetaa
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 12, 2007 @ 10:21 am |
Hello, krishna baruji, Kaveethaji, and other fans of OP,
I fully and most gladly welcome the idea mooted by you all, that we should make every effort to enable exchange of OP’s songs, so that our collections can be nmore complete than they are now. I have nearly 350 songs, all in mp3. i too am willing to be fully open for email adress etc. I only request that someone explain to me if there is another way of exchanging apart from email, if ther is one. My email address is. any one is welcome to mail me, and i can send the song(s) they want. and of course i expect that my requests too will be acceeded to. Fuirther, We can even chat in yahoo if people have time and interest for rapid exchange of opinions. I dont suffer from lack of time , as I am a retired person, with lots of unquenched thirst for OP’s songs
I have all the songs of the Telugu film “Neerajanam”, perhaps his last film ever. Most of the songs were hits in telugu and were much acclaimed by music pundits too. I can send them to any one who is interested.
I dont have any songs from last films in Hindi, Nischay and Zid. I would apreciate very much if any one can send them to me.
Among the old films, i miss many songs from Johny wlker’s films: Johny walker, Mai baap and Mr quartoon M.A. And does any have the solo version by Asha of “Raat bharka hai mehmaan andhera” of sone ki chidia and “jaan saketo” by Rafi in Ustaad? I do have still many gaps in my collction, which I hope to fill up with the help of other fans. I am only too willing to share my songs with others.
Thanks to all of you
Comment by curao — March 13, 2007 @ 12:39 pm |
Lyrics can never be written in fast paced manner. It has to be reflective. For instance ” Yeh Mahalo, Yeh Banawat Ki Duniya, Yeh Duniya agar mil bhi jaye tho Kya hai” made even Pandit Nehru think as well as “Yeh Mere Watan ke Logo ” made Pandit Nehru shed tears. The present day lyrics of Hindi films is written in a hurried manner. This is one of the reasons why AR Rahman , though a good music director whose songs will not hold water , because of substandard words in his songs. Just making loud noises will not do.
This is very good lyrics
OPN’s music. Ek Baar Muskaro Do
muze naa milee jo wo khushee toone paayee
aye dost mubaarak ho tuze pyaar kee shahanaaee
duaan mere dil kee daaman mein naa samaaye
tuze pyaar mile itanaa jeewan mein naa samaaye.
A movie which which will eternally remain in the hearts of moviegoers for music and lyrics is ” The Guide” SD Burman & Shailendra have combined so well in this. Wah !! . When I hear these songs , abhi bhi , goosebumps aati hai.
Without good lyrics , the present day music directors , will have to cover up for shoody lyrics by their phuntastic instruments and it will take them many autumns , summers , winters and monsoons ( an integral part of Indian psyche) to reach the standards of good combinations which SD Burman and OP Nayyar had.
Comment by gajanan — March 15, 2007 @ 8:47 am |
Absolutely right Gajananji. Good lyrics is very important for any long standing song and that is the reason why the music of our very own O P Nayyar ji, Shankar Jaikishan ji , Naushad Saab, Madan Mohan ji, SD Burman ji, RD Burman ji, Roshan Sahab, C Ramachandra ji are still in our hearts and we forgot the music of Nadeem Shravan , Anu Mallick, AR Rahaman etc very soon.
I would like to mention about a unreleased film of OPN ji, ” Jaane Meheboob” (1987-88) and if you listen to the six songs of this film definitely you will enjoy. All the songs are very very rich in melody and all the songs are with very good lyrics by Noor Devasi. Why I am mentioning this because all the songs were recorded during the period 1987-88 when our hindi film music was undergoing at its worst period and very cheap disco type of music was around at that time. Evergreen OPNji never cared for that trend and scored lovely romantic songs which are rendered by Mahendra Kapoor and Anuradha Poudwal. I am very fortunate to get a cassette of this unreleased film “Jaane Meheboob” starring Raj babbar and Poonam Dhillon from kolkata. I don’t know how to upload the songs in the website and if anybody helps me I can do this for all fans and music lovers.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — March 15, 2007 @ 10:10 am |
Murty Garu or Murty ji,
(For those who do not speak Telugu, the word Garu is equivalent of ji).
I am glad to hear that you have a cassette of Jaane Mehboob songs. During one of my visits to India, my sister mentioned it to me that OP and Anuradha Poudwal teamed up to produce some melodious songs. I inquired music stores in Hyderabad but I had no luck in locating these songs.
As very few of us have the songs of the movie “Jaane Mehboob”, please make several copies of the cassette and keep them safe. I myself would like to have one for my collection.
If any one would like to correspond with me,my e-mail: krbaru@hotmail.com
I am originally from Hyderabad though I currently live with my family in Bloomington, Illinois (U.S.). I will try to see if I can locate a few fans of O.P. in my adopted land and bring them into our fold.
With warm regards.
Krishna Baru
Comment by Krishna Baru — March 15, 2007 @ 11:26 am |
Murti Ji, I’m so excited to hear about this unreleased movie “Jaane Mehaboob” that I can’t wait to get hold of the songs. Please, please upload them somewhere on the web soon so we all can hear the songs. You d’Man!!
Curao, I’ve pasted the link to the songs of Nischay for you. In case if the link doesn’t work, then go to Raaga.com and search the Movie Index: http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movie/H000769.html
Finally, I have to say that it’s always wonderful to read your comments Gajanan! You write with passion and include examples of song lyrics, etc. Brilliant!!
Nayyar sahab was genius. I only recently heard his songs from the film Nerajanam (Tulegu) and am already hooked to it. More amazing is that my 12-year old is also hooked to the songs.
Comment by Hemant — March 15, 2007 @ 9:16 pm |
Hemant, thanks for the compliments. You need not have a large number of films as a music director or large number of songs as a lyric writer. One example is OPN and the other is Hemant Kumar. Bees Saal Baad ” Bekaraar Karte hua” , even after Sau Saal Baad it will be on everybody’s lips. Hemant Kumar’s ” Na Thum Hamahe Jano” from Baat Ek Raat Ki esp the lines
“ye mausam ye raat chup hai, ye ho.nTho.n kii baat chup hai
khaamoshii sunaane lagii, hai daastaa.n ) – (2)
nazar ban gaI hai, dil kii zubaa.n
na tum … Hemantda sings it so well , that melancholy, this is called quality. MSultanpuri by saying Khamoshi Sunane Lagi has made people think, while singing. The point I wnat to drive is, OPN had about 75 films ( the number may be plus or minus), Hemantda had very few films as music director and he sang very few film songs , but some of them are immortal like the ones of OPN. Quality always truimphs over quantity.
Comment by gajanan — March 16, 2007 @ 1:54 pm |
Curao,
On rhapsody.com you can listen to 25 songs free, but after that you have to pay to listen.
Attached is the link to the web site that provides the song Raat Bhar ka hai mehmaan andhara.
http://www.rhapsody.com/opnayyar2/sonekichidiya
Comment by Hemnat — March 17, 2007 @ 1:43 am |
Murti Garu,
I am living not far feom you, in vijayawada. Iam a retired person, so, I have time.
I too am eager to collect the songs of Jaane mehboob, tried but could not succeed. It is more difficult In AP to get old hindi songs.
I will gladly guide you to upload songs and if you already do not know, how to convret songs from audio cassettes to mp3 form.
The fist step before you can upload is to transfer the songs from casstte to computer. The raw songs(WAV format), as they are transferred ussally take too much space(30 to 35 MB). You can convert them to mp3 at the same time as tansfering from cassettes to 1/11 of that space i.e., about 3 to 3.5 mB. this way you can store more songs in your computer. After that you can upload them or burn on to a CD or DVD.
If you are keen, to do that and want any more info , pl. email me at cumrao@yahoo.com.
curao
Comment by curao — March 17, 2007 @ 7:37 pm |
Gajananji,
It was a wonderful comment you left on “Na tum hume jaano” and Hemant singing. The moment i hear the name of Hemant, I recall so many of his duets with various female singers, ranging from Sandhya mukherjee to Geetha to Lata. I dont find proper words to dwcribe them: Exquisitely sweet, Heavenly blissful, beyond words, Out of this world.
I would like to mention some of such duets for my own pleasure in recalling them.: Yeh hansta hua from Ek Jhalak, Na yeh chand hoga from Shart, Tum aur hum from Fashion, Jaag darde ishq jaag from Anarkali, Gumsum sa yeh jahaan from shrimatiji, Ai sama unse kehjaraa from alibaba 40 thieves, Bahaaronse poochon from Fashion, Mushkrati hui chandni from Albeli, Tumhe chupkese from a film i forgot, Tumhe yaad hoga from Satta bazaar, neendna mujhko aaya from Post box 999, Halki chalki from Tangewale, and pehaps one of the best duets ever, Yeh raat yeh chandini phir kahaa….from Jaal and many more. I my self have about 60 duets.
Hemant, Talat and to some extent Mukhesh seem to have that particular gifts while singing such sweet duets.
The only set of songs that draw mw away from OPN are these. And my only regret about OPN is that he does not have many such duets.
curao
Comment by curao — March 17, 2007 @ 8:54 pm |
Hemantji,
Thank you very much for the links you sent for Nischay songs and The Soneki chidiya song. You are so considerate to understand my hunger for OP’s songs.
On first hearing, I found the Nischay songs lilting , but with a of whiff of his 1960 songs. I am sure i would like them on hearing a few times.
Unfortunately, I could not hear Raat bharka hai from Rapsody, Because I am not in USA. It gave an error message that only US based people can access them.
I think that both Rapsody and Raaga are only for hearing and do not allow downloading. Right?
Comment by curao — March 18, 2007 @ 11:25 am |
Hello friends,
I managed to locate a few songs on the video format from Op jis repertoire..It been loaded on the video collection you see on the top right of this page.. I began by downloading the videos of his songs, so please click on ‘view all’..Its such a pity that I could not find some more videos…efforts are on.. Maybe soon.
Meanwhile I am in the process of trying to upload a player with his songs on this post..
Loved the comments..and learnt something new each time..cannot thank you all enough.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 19, 2007 @ 11:24 am |
Kaveetaji,
The videos of OPN are wonderfuld and thank you.
I too have a good number of Video songs of his. pehaps 50 to 60. But I never tried to upload a video so far.
Is it soemthing like i run the DVD in the DVD ROM, and copy them to my Desktop first and then upload them to Videopod. OR, can I directly upload from DVD itself from the ROM? Iam also not yet registered in Videopod.I think i have to register first and then upload. Am I right?
Comment by curao — March 20, 2007 @ 7:14 pm |
You are right Curao ji.
The songs on both Raaga and Rapsody are for listning only and cannot be downloaded electronically. As per Rapsody, I don’t know if it’s meant only for the US audiance.
Comment by Hemant — March 20, 2007 @ 7:52 pm |
Still no statement from Gratitude. Chalo hum jara Ka-lam ko iste-mal karte hai.
“aao huzuur tumko, sitaaro.n me.n le chaluu.N …
” OPN hai Sitaro.n.me , paar Zameen paar chamakta hua Sitara , kyo Khamosh hai”
“Kaun Kahata hai, Khamoshi Sunane de-ge”
Dil agar sach kahe , tho Zubaan bhi bol pade
Woh jo sitara aasman paar hai, usi ki liye
hum aage nikal pade , aur zamana peeche raha gaya”
Comment by gajanan — March 21, 2007 @ 5:30 am |
The last lines in the previous Ka-lam baazi
is from OPN music. The song is
” Aaaj koyi……. Hum aage nikal pade , peeche zamana raha gaya, Hai …” It is sung by AB. I forget the film . A wonderful song
Comment by gajanan — March 21, 2007 @ 6:49 am |
Gajanan ji, the song you mentioned is from film “Sawan ki Ghata”
G N Murty
Rajahmundry
Comment by G N MURTY — March 21, 2007 @ 10:08 am |
Cu Rao ji,
The method I know is register, download and upload on videopod.. It would be great if you could share them..perhaps put them in a category of Op Nayyar songs and then we can all see them.
Gajanan,
The song you are referring to is
‘Aaj koi pyaar se dil ki baatein keh gaya..hai
Main to aage badh gayee peechhe zamaana reh gaya’..right?
its from ‘Saawan Ki ghata’ the same movie which has ‘Haule haule’ and ‘Zulfon ko hatade chehre se thoda sa ujaala hone de’
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 21, 2007 @ 10:12 am |
Friends,
I will be grateful if any one enlightens me on these songs: I believe they are OP’s, but I do not know from which films. Also correct me if some of them are not OPN’s.
1. Badee mushkilse by MK
2.Dhir tu mai raat jawan by Geetha
3. Dilki girah khol by Asha
4. dilki hui Ghataye by Rafi-Asha
5.Pyarme khokar bangaye hum…… din tara tararam by Rafi
6. Itni jaldi kya hai by Asha
7. Jaan Gaye chori by Asha
8. Jaane jigar thoba idhar by Geetha
9. Jaane tamanna kya kar daala by MK and Asha
10. Jaraa si baat ka huzoor by Asha
11.Khuda huzoorko meri by Usha(or Asha?)
12.Poochona yaar kya hua by Rafi_Asha
13.Roka hai zamaanene by Asha
14.Ajaare…Aaja aaja…. Teree talsh mein by Asha
15. ohh.. Tumko piya dil diya by Usha
16.Woh hasrateke mile hamse hum pyar samazh baithe by Asha
This difficulty mainly arises because I was out of touch with music for nearly 25 yrs, and I am not able to recall at my old age of 68 now. They are in my library , but with this incomplete info.
Also forgive me if there are any spelling mistakes.
I welcome any one who can shed light on on one or more of these songs and help me complete my tagging.
Thank you.
Comment by curao — March 21, 2007 @ 6:20 pm |
Kaveeetaji,
i will try to do As you suggested. I will have to first learn the ropes of handling DVDs.
Ofcourse I will be only too happy to share if I succeed, just to perpetrate the cult of our OPN, if not for anything else.
Comment by curao — March 21, 2007 @ 6:24 pm |
Curaoji,
I can answer some of your questions.
9. The duet by MK and Asha is from CID 909
11. This sung by Asha and Usha is from the movie Sawan Ki Ghata
16. This solo by Asha is from Baharen Phir Bhi Aayengi
10. I too have it in a casette but I don’t know the name of the movie.
All these three are O.P. creations.
Number 12 is composed by R D Burman. from the movie Hum Kisise Kum Naheen.
I am sure you will get the remaining songs tagged with assistance from others.
Any one reading my e-mails welcome to contact me at krbaru@hotmail.com.
Comment by Krishna Baru — March 22, 2007 @ 7:05 am |
Curao Sahib, I agree with you about Hemant Kumar,s wonderful duets with other females singers…I would add to this list four more duets from the same period (50s). I am sure you would love it.
1) Tumse Door Chale—–film, Pyar Ki Rahen (1959),music—-Kanu Ghosh
2) Yeh Jhoomte Nazare—film, Nai Rahen (1959), music—-Ravi.
3) Yaad Kiya Dil Ne—–film, Patita (1953), music—-Shankar-Jaikishan
4) Lahron Pe Laher——film, Chhabili (1960), music—-Snehal Bhatkar.
Ashraft.
Comment by Ashraft — March 22, 2007 @ 8:36 am |
Thank you. Murty Garu and Kaveeta Ji.
Any songs by Hemant Kumar for OPN?
Raag Kalyan was used by OPN for Savera ka Suraj (EBMD) and many other songs. But AB’s ” Nigha Milane ko Ji Chahta hai for Roshan in Dil hi to Hai takes you to another world. Yeh bhi Raag Kalyan hai. I am trying to see the most popular Raag OPN used in his songs. Somebody can put in this site the song and the Raagas OPN used for the song.
Comment by gajanan — March 22, 2007 @ 10:54 am |
Last line in previous post , please read , “for his songs”
Comment by gajanan — March 22, 2007 @ 10:55 am |
Gajananji, Hemant Kumar sang for OPN in the film SAMBANDH (1969).
G N MURTY,Rajahmundry
Comment by G N MURTY — March 22, 2007 @ 12:26 pm |
Curaoji,
#1 is from Humsaya – great great song – I love this song. MK’s done a wonderful job.
#3 is from Raat aur Din (Shankar Jaikishen). It’s sung by AB and Manna Day. SJ has made a few OP like tunes such as this. Another OP like tune was created by Madan Mohan with the song “Shokh Nazer Ki Bijilian” from the film “Woh Kaun Thi.” Also MM made a song “Ja Ja re ja re ja re” in the late 50s with Asha Bhosle which was a very very OP tune.
#15 is from Shikari. It has G.S. Kohli’s music who was OP’s assistant. This is a fantastic song. I have the 45 speed record of this movie. GS made good songs and he used Lata too. His other hits were “Chaman ke phool bhi thum ko gulab,” and “Agar main poocho jawab dooge.”
Comment by Hemant — March 22, 2007 @ 7:55 pm |
Ever heard the song by Sudha Malhotra
‘tum mujhe bhool bhi jaao to yeh haq hai tumko
meri baat aur hai maine toh mohabbat ki hai’
It was the finest sung by the sudha and she received all her accolades post this song. I think it was penned by Sahir. I remember meeting the composer aeons ago.. I dont recollect his name. He was a wonderful, mild mannnered Punjabi gentleman.
Ashraft ji I simply love ..laheron Pe laher Ulfat hai jawaan.. Gosh what a mood it creates..serene, romantic, ..wonderful.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 23, 2007 @ 11:52 am |
Gajananji,
Thanks for giving the lyrics of the song “Hamadam mere, maan bhii jaao” from the film “Mere Sanam” at Sl. No. 139 of the blog. I have the song book of Mere Sanam in Devnagiri script. It is among some 300 and odd Hindi film song books which I have collected over a period of two decades, though some of them have got damaged during my transfers to various places !
Kaveeta ji,
Thanks for your words of welcome at Sl. No. 141. I am very happy to note the encouraging response to your blog.
As for your query at Sl. No. 181 about the Music Director who composed the song sung by Sudha Malhotra ji, was it by Hans Raj Behl ji ?
I am surprised to know that you have not heard Penaaz Masaani’s album with OP so far, even though she has sung a number of ghazals penned by your beloved father. The audio cassette of this album, brought out by Music India (4227 955) in 1988 with the title “O.P. NAYYAR’S haunting melodies in TU HI MERA DIL TU HI MERI JAAN – Penaaz Masani” contains the following songs/ghazals:-
Side-1
1. Dekh Mohabbat K Dastoor, penned by Nasir Kazmi
2. Raat Jab Khilke Muskurati Hai, by Nasir Kazmi and Noor Devasi
3. Jaane Do, by Noor Devasi
4. Ye Bhi Kya Shaam-e-Mulaqat Aayee, by Nasir Kazmi
Side-2
1. Dilber Dil Bhi Ajeeb Hota Hai, by Noor Devasi
2. Kise Dekhen Kahan, by Nasir Kazmi
3. Dil Ke Shikari, by Noor Devasi
4. Kaun Is Raah Se Guzarta Hai, by Nasir Kazmi
I now wonder whether you have heard the audio cassette containing Ashok Khosla’s ghazals ! This cassette, which was also brought out by Music India (4227 947) in 1988 with the title “The living legend O.P. NAYYAR presents Magic of Ashok Khosla” , contain the following ghazals/songs:-
Side 1
1. Bulaunga Na Milunga, by Nasir Kazmi
2. Teri Sason Ki Mehek, by Noor Devasi
3. Musallsal Bekali, by Nasir Kazmi
4. Din Dhala Raat Phir Aa Gayee, by Nasir Kazmi
(This particular song is worth listening. May I request our friend Hemant ji to offer his comments on this song ?)
Side 2
1. Aap Badle Hai Hum Nahin Badle, by Noor Devasi
2. Jo Kehana Paya, by Nasir Kazmi
3. Naye Kapde Badalkar, by Nasir Kazmi
4. Ik Lafaze Mohabbat Ka, by Jigar Muradabadi.
On the evening of December 17, 1984, while I was shopping at a busy market in Sector 17B in Chandigarh, I happened to hear a beautiful song “Allah Re Is Dil Ne Kya Chees Pasand Ki Hai”, by Runa Laila, which I immediately recognised as an OP composition ! I searched for the place from where the song was coming and found that it was being played by a cassette hawker with a number of people gathered around him enjoing it. I asked for the cassette and I was extremely happy to find that the cassette contained as many as 10 beautiful ghazals/songs composed by OP. I lost no time in purchasing it, much to the disappointment of those who were enjoying it there ! This cassette, captioned “THE LOVES OF RUNA LAILA”, brought out by Super Cassettes Industries (P) Ltd., Delhi-Bombay under T-series (SNMC 0291), contains the following songs/ghazals composed by OP, Nisazr Basmi and Rahman Rajan :-
Side A
1. O Mera Babu Chhail Chhabila, composed by OPNayyar
2. Damadam Mast Qalandar (traditional music : Nisar Basmi)
3. Ghungroo Toot Gaye (Music: Maqbool Sabri, Lyrics : Qateel Shifai)
4. Meri Jaan Mein Tujpe Fidah (Lyrics by Madhuri Joglekar and music by OP Nayyar)
4. Aaj Chahe Houth, by Noor Devasi/OP Nayyar
5. Wadiyan Wadiyan, by Noor Devasi/OP Nayyar
6. Aaja Piya Bahon Mein, by Nadhuri Joglekar/OP Nayyar
Side B
1. Kat Te Hain Din Kaise Re, by Bimla Khaitan/OP Nayyar
2. Allah Re Is Dil Ne Kya Chees Pasand Ki Hai, by Noor Devasi/OP Nayyar
3. Dil Ki Halat Ko Koi Kya Jane, by Noor Devasi/OP Nayyar
4. Kahe Do Is Raat Se, by Noor Devasi/OP Nayyar
5. Sajna O Sajna, by Ali Shehzad/Rahman Rajan
6. Meri Dilbar Haseena, by Madhuri Joglekar/OP Nayyar
Comment by Keloth Macheendran — March 25, 2007 @ 5:37 am |
the composer of the song “tum mujhe bhool bhi jaao” is sudha malhotra, the singer herself as music-director of the film didi (n. dutta) was indisposed and sudha was asked by the composer or sahir?… to do the music part.
Comment by arun bajaj — March 25, 2007 @ 5:00 pm |
Oh yes.. Arun.. D.D. as in Din Dayal..is that right? Did Sudha actually compose the music? Amazing..
Keloth,
Yes,I confess I have not so far heard the albums you have listed.. In fact the private song collection of Nayyar saheb is what I have missed out on. But I will be really interested in listening to his non filmi compositions.. and your comment is going to be of great help there when I go shopping 🙂
I had no idea that ‘mera babu chhail chhabila’ was composed by him. Runa laila lent to it her distinct style but the compostion and beat too was so different from Op jis usual . Its really a revelation.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 25, 2007 @ 10:54 pm |
Kaveetaaji.
Refer to your post 184,and also to post 182 by Keloth Macheendran
The song “O Mera Babu Chhail Chhabila” by Runa Laila was not composed by O P Nayyar. It is a song from a pakistani film “Mann ki jeet” released in 1972, music composed by M.Ashraf and sung by Runa laila. O p Nayyar made an Album with singer Runa Laila and alongwith his own compositions, also included a few of Runa Laila’s famous songs. Kaaveetaji, you were so right when you said that this composition was so unlike O P’s.
Ashraft
Comment by Ashraft — March 26, 2007 @ 9:42 am |
watch my programme shooted at december of music masti aur dhoom in DD-1 National channel every wednesday 10 to 11.oo p.m.me and my partner ruddhi abhyankar (she and her father both true fans of OP Nayyar) suddenly got the chance of OP Nayyar episode theme in semi-final. I am rudhi were partners you can watch on DD-1 National channel. Most probably in coming 4 weeks our episode of Tribute to OP Nayyar will be telecasted. I think we were very fortunate to be in that episode and winner of that episode.
Comment by m c mahadevan — March 26, 2007 @ 11:09 pm |
Dear friends,
Fans of O.P. living abroad may not be able to watch the telecast of the Tribute to O.P. mentioned by Mr. Mahadevan. I am hoping that this episode would be recorded and made available on YouTube so that fans around the globe may watch it.
May I request some of you to tape the episode and make copies available to those who miss the telecast. Thanks
Comment by Krishna Baru — March 28, 2007 @ 9:16 am |
Dear All,
The programme “Tribute to O P Nayyar” mentioned by Mr Mahadevan will be aired on next wednesday i.e., 4th April 2007 on Doordarshan, National Channel – DD1.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry, AP
Comment by G N MURTY — March 29, 2007 @ 3:07 pm |
Dear Murtyji,
Thanks for sharing the scheduled time of the telecast of the programme “Tribute to O.P.”.
I hope all fans of O.P. who have access to DD1 would watch it. It would be interesting to hear comments and reactions after the programme is aired. Thanks again.
Krishna Baru, Bloomington, IL., U.S.
Comment by Krishna Baru — March 30, 2007 @ 9:24 am |
Dear All,
In all probability may miss the programme on 4th..since it happens to be my birthday so a family n friends get together is on the anvil.
I am sure Mr. Mahadevan will be recording it and would be truly wonderful if he could make a podcast of it.. I will be only too glad to post it here.
Dear Ashraft,
Thanks for the wonderful comment you have left at my post on ‘an uncommon love story’..I have put in a response there as well. And Oh yes.. so it was not Op ji after all ..mera babu chhail chhabila..No wonder. It is a nice folksy, boisterous number but definitely did not have a single instrument, tone or melody that immediately is unmistakably Nayyar saheb.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — March 30, 2007 @ 12:52 pm |
Kaveetaji,
I left a post for you on “An uncommon love story”. Thanks.
Comment by Ashraft — March 30, 2007 @ 11:59 pm |
Yes Ashraft ji ..have responded there.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — April 1, 2007 @ 12:04 pm |
there are lots of o p nayyar gems which are out of listener’s mind. i am trying to recollect some….
1 apna to zamane mein bus itna fasana hai kishore naya andaz
2 jhoote zamane bhar ke rafi-nirmala bhagam-bhag
3 zara si baat ka huzoor ne fasana ker diya asha musafirkhana
4 bahon ko jara lehara dein manna-asha kabhie andhera kabhie ujala
5 bol pardesiya ye tune kya kiya asha mangu
6 jadugar sanwariya asha dhake ki malmal
7 o madam nancy you are my fancy rafi-asha basant
8 aaj suhani raat re shamshad-rafi-kishore kabhie andhera …….
listen to these songs then you will get the real flavour of op nayyar
Comment by arun bajaj — April 1, 2007 @ 2:06 pm |
there are lots of o p nayyar gems which are out of listener’s mind. i am trying to recollect some….
1 apna to zamane mein bus itna fasana hai — kishore — naya andaz
2 jhoote zamane bhar ke — rafi-nirmala — bhagam-bhag
3 zara si baat ka huzoor ne fasana ker diya — asha — musafirkhana
4 bahon ko jara lehara dein — manna-asha– kabhie andhera kabhie ujala
5 bol pardesiya ye tune kya kiya — asha — mangu
6 jadugar sanwariya — asha — dhake ki malmal
7 o madam nancy you are my fancy — rafi-asha — basant
8 aaj suhani raat re — shamshad-rafi-kishore — kabhie andhera…. .’……..
listen to these songs then you will get the real flavour of op nayyar
Comment by arun bajaj — April 1, 2007 @ 2:20 pm |
Kaveeta ji,
All the details furnished by me at Sl. No. 182 of this blog, including the information that OP composed the music for the song ‘Mera babu chhail chhabila’ , are as per the information given on the audio cassette “THE LOVES OF RUNA LAINA”. I am thankful to Ashraft ji for setting the record straight. In fact, apart from mentioning that the music for this song is by OP Nayyar, it has also been mentioned alongside that this song is from the film “Har Jeet”! I agree with your statement that though Runa Laila lent to it her distinct style, the composition/beat is so different from OP’
Ashraft ji,
Thanks for giving the correct information at Sl. No.185 of the blog.
Comment by Keloth Macheendran — April 1, 2007 @ 3:47 pm |
Thank you Ashraftji,
for your post of 22nd March. I am glad you agree with me on Hemant’s duets with various female singers. Yes, I have all those songs which you mentioned and many more which I have assiduously collected from so many sources. I have more than 60 duets of his.
I would like to add afew more just to enable the friends here recall them.
1. Gagan jhan jhana raha with Lata in Nastik. May not be exactly sweet , but still a memorable song
2. Yeh shoke sitare with asha in Hamara watan
3. chale hum kahan with Geetha in Police
4. Dilki umage hai jawan with Geetha in Munimji
5. Tumhe chupkese with Lata, I dont know from which film, what a song!!!!
6. sanware chalone aaye with Lata in ek hi raasta
7. Yeh mehfil sitaronse with Lata in Ek Jhalak
8. Kehrahi hai jindagi with Geetha in Jalti Nishan
and of course, Nain to nain with Lata in Jhanak Jhanak Payal baje.
i just gave another list of his great duets.
But one enigma remains in my mind. I, personally dont think Hemant was a great singer.(I request his fans to fogive me for this personal opinion of mine). Then how could he give such exqisitely sweet songs? Is the sweetness in the compositions, or in combining with the female singers? Perhaps he is the only male singer with more great duets than great solos.
Just compare with Talat and Mukhesh. Both are greater singers and both have many sweet duets too. There is really no surprise in their giving such duets, given the fact that they have a large no. of great solos too.
This question was always in my mind since those days. I would welcome comments or criticisms on this.
Comment by curao — April 2, 2007 @ 1:41 pm |
curao,
I recognise some of the duets..nain to nain was great.
As far as Hemant Kumar goes it was the quality of his voice, the peace with which he sang. The compositions too complemented his singing. He knew his drawbacks and strengths and accordingly made music to suit his style. He has to be appreciated for being unique. ..similarly Mukesh. Not a great singer but memorable songs.
Comment by krishnan — April 3, 2007 @ 5:56 pm |
Arunji,
I am very happy at the mention some of OPN’s great but less frequently recalled songs. I too was trying to do the same thing. After all this blog is entitled ” O.P.Nayyar, you are not forgotten” Let us live upto that assurance given to the soul that passed away, by stressing the specialities of some of such songs.
Iam particularly glad at your reminiscing on: Zara si baat, Baahonko jara, bol pardesia(one of my great favourites in those days , but could not get it again into my library) and Jaadugar sanwaria. Baahonko jara(perhaps the only Mannadey’s song for OP?) particularly appeals to me for its off beat tune and great musical interlude bet stanzas.
May I add a few more songs to be recalled and to be reappreciated?
1. ai dil hai deewaane by Geetha in Baaz. A very soul stirring song wondefully rendered by Golden Geetha
2. Hojo hukm to mehrbaan by Asha in Hong kong. I request his fans to hear it once again and marvel at the tone used by Asha intentionally nasal tilt and the Hawaiian beat of the drum music and the tune itself.
3. Ho baat jis seki dhadke priya by Geetha (or Asha?) for fast paced harmonium music and similar nasal tone as in 2 above.
4.Chore lutere daaku by Geetha in Ustad for its suspenseful music and guitar music. I t is an all time favorite of mine. It really created a big stir when it first came in Binaka Geethmala entering straight away at no. 9 , then 10 and 11 and then faded away too soon. May be because the film was an utter failure
5. Raat sard sard hai by Rafi-Asha in Jaali note. One of the sweet songs of OP
6. Mai Mai Quartoon by Rafi-Asha-Shamshad in Mr. quartoon M.A.
7. Mai hun Mr johny by Rafi in Mai baap, if one is not biased against Rock’n rolls and Johny walker. We used to like the Hindi Rock’n rolls very much in those days when we were young and did not lose our liking at least because of nostalgia
Comment by curao — April 3, 2007 @ 7:21 pm |
Krishna baruji and Hemant ji,
i thank you both very much for the Details given by you for tagging the songs listed by me. i am really surprised that SJ somewhat imitated OPN in raat aur din song then.
Does any of you happen to know if the song ” Karle karle pyar wai wai yaar…” by Geetha is OPN’s? and the film? It is tagged in my Library as from “Baazigar”. Was ther such old film at all? with music by OPN?. I know there was Baazi with SDB and Baaz with OPN.
Comment by curao — April 3, 2007 @ 7:39 pm |
Kaveeta ji,
Wish you a Very Happy Birthday and many happy returns of the day !
Comment by Keloth Macheendran — April 4, 2007 @ 12:45 pm |
Kaveeta ji,
How are you doing? Let me join your friends and family in wishing you a Happy Birthday. I hope you and your family are doing something special today. Enjoy.
Many happy returns of the day.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 4, 2007 @ 5:09 pm |
the question you asked krishna,i am giving you the answer. “karle karle pyar wai wai pyar” is from old ‘bazigar’ . this song is penned by prem dhawan and it’s music-director is chitragupta. incidentally if you want op nayyar’s song mentioned by me i’ll be delighted to share with you.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 4, 2007 @ 6:27 pm |
many many happy returns of the day kaveetaji.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry, AP
Comment by G N MURTY — April 4, 2007 @ 7:55 pm |
Arunji Thank you very much for the info on the song”Karle karle pyar”.
AND I THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THE OFFER YOU MADE TO SEND ME THE SONG.
i DONT HAVE THE FOLLOWING SONGS, FROM THE LIST YOU GAAVE UNDER NO 194.
1.Bol pardesia- I simply adore this song. Even if you dont have the other two songs mentioned below, please please send me this. I will be so indebted to you.
2.Jhoote zamane from Bhagam bhag? This is first time iam hearing this title from Bhagam bhag. I am thinking I have all the songs of that film, as I recorded them from the film itself. pl send this also if you can.
3. oh madam nancy you are my fancy of Basant. This is also a surprise for me. Like in 2 above i seem to be wrong again in thinking that I have all the songs of Basant.
My email addr is >cumrao@yahoo.com
Comment by curao — April 4, 2007 @ 8:11 pm |
mr. curao,
you are right in pointing my mistakes…..jhute zamane bhar ke …is from film ‘musafirkhana’. and the song aaj suhani raat re…is from naya andaaz.o madam nancy is from basant and it is a fantastic song created by the great master.there are some more in my collection…man more ga jhoom ke from mangu, antam fantam chod de babu from hum sab chor hain, and the songs of do ustaad such as humpe dil aaya to bolo kya karoge and tere dil ka makaan saiyyan bada aalishan. if you are living in mumbai then it will be very convinient for me to give you the cassette.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 5, 2007 @ 10:37 am |
Dear Keloth, Krisna baru ji and Murthy ji,
Thank you ever so much for your warm wishes. Yes, we had a pleasant family get together. So thats one more year marked off the calendar..as also a stern reminder that the sands of time are slipping away, continually, slowly but surely. So must remember to live each moment in the present and to the fullest..
‘aage bhi jaane na tu..peeche bhi jaane na tu..jo bhi hai bas yehi ek pal hai’
Regards
Comment by kaveetaakaul — April 5, 2007 @ 11:26 am |
Arunji,
Thank you very much for your offer, but unfortunately iam not living in mumbai.I am in vijayawada.
Actually , I did not think of pointing out any mistakes. I thought I might have forgotten, because of age, you know.
Zhute hai zammane, bol pardesia, and Oh madam Nancy: These 3 i definitely want. But, how can I get them? If you dont have them in your PC in a compressed format, you can not send them as email attachments. Another way is to send a cassette recorded for me, these 3 along with some other songs, which I dont have.
I have all my songs in my PC in mp3 format. So, I can pick up any song and send to you or any one who wants it.
so, I suggest that we explore what songs each of us dont have.
Be assured that that I will pay for the cassette and any postal/courier expenses, if not for your trouble. I can send the songs without any expenses, so, there is no problem for me.
Iam listing below, some of my most wanted songs missing from library, for starters. You seem to be very knowledgeable and must be having them.
In addition to the 3 songs above,
1. Bol mere man pyaar se from Mangu- I have this, but in very bad quality. You are the only person i came across who liked the Mangu songs and have them too. This particular song was a very great hit in our state in those days-one of the most exhillerating songs ever by OPN.
2. Aja Jaraa aja jaraa meree by Geetha as solo from Ek Jhalak. I have the duet with Hemant of the same title.
3. Jaate ho to jaao kal jaooge kahan by Geetha in Milap(N.Dutta). This too was a great hit. I dont know why people forgot it.
4. All songs of film johny walker except thandi thandi hawa, which I have.
5. All songs of Mr quartoon M.A. except Mai mai quartoon, especially that Asha-Geetha duet, ………tum kitna beautiful hai tum kitna wonderful. I forgot the beginning words.
6. Jaan saketo from Ustad by Rafi
7.Jhoomke aaya hun mai bandhu rus sine England by Rafi-Asha in Basant. I have this , but only a part.
8. Saathi haath badhana-This was a 2 sided song in the gramophone record. I only got that part which begins with “Saathi hath badhana sathire”. If I remeber well the 2nd part begins with”Saathi hath rehana saathire”. It is the 2nd part I want.
Well, it is long list already. I do have a large no of songs of all music direcotors, not a great exhaustive collection but considerable. Mostly 1945-1975. I think i have most of CR,Naushad. Iknow still many are missing. But iam finding it very difficult to get them here in Andhra.
I am very happy for your having the songs of Mangu and liking them. There are 4 tremendously good songs in that, we used to call the Mangu quartet.
One titbit here: At about the time of Tumsa nahin Dekha, Asha bhosle said that her best song ever was “Man more gaa” of Mangu. Of course these singers keep on changing their best songs.
Just let me know what songs are missing at your side. If i have them i will send them. Better send me an email to my addr:>cumrao@yahoo.com
Comment by curao — April 5, 2007 @ 7:09 pm |
Hemantji,
It is interesting your mentioning SJ had some Nayyar like songs. I admire SJ for their great contribution to Hindi music, perhaps the greatest. But, OPN is special to me.
I like to point out one particular song of each.
Pl. compare Antam phantam of Humsub chor hain by Asha, with tera teeronki teer by Lata in Shararat. I wont say that The later song was a copy of the first, but definitely the idea was the same. a long vocal line by the singer followed by the guitar music with the same twists and turns. Still both are great songs and I give equal marks.
Comment by curao — April 5, 2007 @ 7:28 pm |
The difference between SJ and OPN is in use of violins. SJ were champions in using many violinists to play music, whereas OPN had a knack of telling it or spreading it over many instruments. Sometimes the Spanish Guitar did the talking for OPN, whereas SJ relied a lot on violin. The song Dil ke Jaroko me Tujhko Bitakar in Brahmachari had violins accompanying Rafi, whereas in OPN’s ” Banda Parivar , Tham lo jigaar , you have less orchestrazation , but effective use of instruments. Metaphorically , one can say that SJ’s used his instruments like sailing a boat on high seas , with waves lashing on the sides, ( Note the start of Dil ke Jaroke me… Its truly great, your expectations are high , adrenalin high, and lo behold Rafi comes in majestically ” Dil ke jaroke me Tujko bitaakar) whereas OPN used his instruments like sailing a boat where waves touch the boat in soft mode like the Spanish Guitar in ” Pukarta Chala Hu me” ( this is also great as it soothes your nerves). Both styles are good , one expecting type, and also you get the expected gift (SJ) and the other as if you have received a great gift without any great expectations (OPN)
Comment by gajanan — April 10, 2007 @ 11:38 am |
I really enjoyed your view on s-j and op. apart from violin s-j also used accordion , mandolin and piano very effectively whereas op relied much on sarangi, sitar,jaltarang apart from violin and guitar. good reading Gajanan.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 10, 2007 @ 12:52 pm |
Dear Gajananji,
You were very kind to SJ in describing their music and orchestra. If I have to put it bluntly, I would say SJ were very rough with the instruments and were making a hell of noise. SJ had melodious tunes but they couldn’t handle the instruments especially, violin. You may recollect some one referred to SJ as “Band Masters”.
On the other hand, O.P. paid equal attention to both tunes and use of instruments. His use of violin was super. Another music director that gave soft, pleasant,and melodious music was S.D. Burman.
This is strictly my opinion. Thanks for listening to me.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 11, 2007 @ 6:54 am |
Hello All,
The programme “Tribute to O.P.” was scheduled to be aired on DD on April 4th. I am wondering if the programme was televised and how did it go. I am anxiously waiting to hear your comments. I hope to see it some day if the programme was taped. Thanks.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 11, 2007 @ 8:34 am |
Ramayya Vastavayya-Shree 420 , This song of S-J was outstanding. One great asset for SJ was his association with RK’s. RK had Shailendra , Hasrat Jaipuri ( he has songs with OPN) whom I consider the numero ono among lyricists (Shailendra)
The Guide (1968). SD Burman with all lyrics by Shailendra is still on the top of my charts. Rahmans , Anu Maliks and many may come , but Guide is out of the world. OPN was a big fan of SD Burman. I have read it somewhere.
“Piya those Naina Lage Re” from Guide in Teen Taal and Rupaka Taal was mind blowing. I stop working when I hear this song.
I do not have any details of Shailendra’s association with OPN , but if they had collaborated as Shailendra did with SJ and SD , then OPN with such a great talent to use minimal effects of instruments, but very effective , would have created really great lyrical music. Any idea how many songs Shailendra wrote for OPN?
Comment by gajanan — April 11, 2007 @ 10:30 am |
Read for the first time in my life that s-j were very rough with the instruments. I can only pray for such souls.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 12, 2007 @ 9:42 am |
“Tribute to OP” was aired yesterday 11th April 07 at 10pm in DD National and the programme was very nice. The programme was originally scheduled to be telcast on 4th but due to cricket match it was postponed.
Congratulations to Mr Mahadevan, the winner.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry, AP
Comment by G N MURTY — April 12, 2007 @ 11:40 am |
English is a very funny language, bec words do not exactly describe the functions well. Rough is not the right word. It may be denote that , they will not be able to play the instruments again as playing rough would decrease the life of the instrument. In fact , deewala nikal jaata ta SJ ka instrumentalst’s ka.
One could say SJ were always on very higher octave with the instruments, probably to pounce out emotions as much as possible. You must have watched Shammi shake his head , body and even his soul ( dikta nahi hai, but lagta hai) for the Brahamachari song. Now if you see OPN ‘s Kashmir Ki Kali, Shammi does the same thing for ” Yeh Chand sa roshan…Tarif karu” , but in a rubber band bending movement in the boat. This he does with ease, whereas in the Brahmchari song he is is abs. serious. of course this is not the right comparative
song. Then take ” Aaaj Kaal tere mere pyaar ke charche ” and KKali song as mentioned above. One feels that both OPN and SJ have emoted in equal quantities. The Guitar in KKali and the saxophone in Brahmachari. To be contin….
Comment by gajanan — April 12, 2007 @ 12:37 pm |
If you want to be very serious before an exam , then SJ’s tunes are the perfect choice. Mood create karo exam ka. Then when you want to just leave home, you will meet a lot friends who may sometimes psyche you with ” Woh Pada kya” . Yeh question , yeh topic” etyadi , etyadi. Then better listen to OPN’s stress releasing songs, so that you can handle your competitors well on the way , with a “Hai, with a smile” and then when you sit on the examination table switch yourself to SJ, with a la Shammi’s serious face, so that you recollect all you have studied. This is just a metaphorical comparsion. Ekdhum serious math le lena yeh advice. Indian cricket team jaisa modelling on TV and modelling on playing field jaisa bhajiya mix performance na ho jaye.
Comment by gajanan — April 13, 2007 @ 8:47 am |
Ha..Ha Gajanan that was hillarious.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — April 13, 2007 @ 9:33 am |
Every music-director has his own style. SD’s music has strong shades of bengali
folk, Naushad’s has it’s root in traditional gharanas, OP has a strong punjabi flavour but S-J,s music has Pan-India flavour, modern and cosmopolitan in the true sense. This is the reason for their universal appeal.
After ‘Barsaat’ film music was never the same again. Their orchestration is more rich in style and content. example 1. sab kuch seekha humne 2.sunte they naam hum(Aah) 3. ghar aaya mera pardesi 4. aaja sanam madhur chandani mein hum 5. baat baat mein rootho na (Seema) 5. Awaara hoon …. there are many more. The opening music was brilliant, music between the ‘antraa’s was never forced and above all they never left the ‘antraa’s naked. There was always some background musical support for the vocals.
Lastly i can only say the musical journey of S-J FROM Barsaat to Teesri kasam had very few parallels and even if there was one, they truimphed by the sheer majesty of their superior orchestration, melody and rhyrhm.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 13, 2007 @ 4:47 pm |
I enjoyed reading mail from Arjun and Gajanan. I would like to thank Murtyji for the update on Tribute To O.P. Can we talk more about this? Thanks.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 13, 2007 @ 4:57 pm |
Arun Ji,
that was a good observation. i agree when you say that “Lastly i can only say the musical journey of S-J FROM Barsaat to Teesri kasam had very few parallels and even if there was one, they truimphed by the sheer majesty of their superior orchestration, melody and rhyrhm.”
their style was so easily recognisable and they made a mark. Its wrong to compare and put down any of these greats.
Comment by krishnan — April 14, 2007 @ 10:29 am |
Teesri Kasam , SJ were outstanding, the Bhojpuri innocence of Manna Dey very apt to Raj Kapoor’s character in the film. Lyrics of Shailendra and Hasrat who wrote ” Sajanava Bairi” were masterpieces ( Shailendra and Hasrat Jaipuri both wrote this song). I may be wrong, Shailendra produced this movie, me thinks so. That is the reason I declare Shailendra as No 1 in lyrics. Well as Krishnan has written , each have their own style. But a big difference now and then is the lyrics aspect. Hindi film MD will have to do something to search for good lyricists, otherwise, interval ka jarrorat nahi hoga 15 mins ka , bus 5 songs , 3 mins ka , the viewer can decide kaab kya karna hai. Popcorn se lekhe
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Comment by gajanan — April 14, 2007 @ 11:59 am |
I told you!
Your analogy and discription is just amazing, Gajanan. I enjoy your write-up – very imaginative and hillarious. The exams and the Indian team performance – hahahahah. Too Good!!
I must say that SJ is on my top 5/6 list of favorite MDs with OP, SJ, LP, Kalyanji Ananji, RD, Madan Mohan (not necessarily in order).
I’m changing gears here. LP were assistants to SJ and KA at one point before they became MD. Therefore, you’ll see some similarities or influence in their style, the use of instruments, etc (especially in the music from the 60s).
Comment by Hemant — April 15, 2007 @ 4:52 am |
I Thank Gajananji for his enlightening anlysis on instruments used by SJ and OP. It is very useful for people like me who know nothing about instruments, especially what instruments were used by various MDs.
I partly agree with Krishna baruji in comparing OP and SJ on instruntal music in their songs in so far as OP paid equal attention to both instrumentals and vocals. I wont go so far as to say that SJ were rough with instruments. They were not in my opinion.
However, one difference was observed by me between Op and all other big MDs. OP generally used a lot of instrumental music in the beginnings and between stanzas. Most of that musicals were very good and memorable. all others including SJ used less. I can cite many examples.Of course there are exceptions on either side. But it is not the exceptions, but what I observed in most of the songs, without any knoledge in instruments. I am trying to piece together some of the so many musical bits of OP and compare the number of bits with those of others.
In those days, it was generally said by experts that C.Ramchandra more versatile in instruments.
Comment by curao — April 15, 2007 @ 12:35 pm |
I happen to have in my PC A Lata-Amin Sayani interview. I forgot where and when I downloaded it. But it was much before his sad demise. It is 2 hrs long including songs. I never happened to hear it, somewhat thrown into a corner.
Many boarders here may already have it and this may not be news to them. I assumed that she must have told about her songs and paid tributes to her usual favourites, anil Biswas, SJ,SDB, Naushad etc.
Just today I clicked it somewqhere in the middle suddenly heard her mentioning OP’s name. She gave handsome praise and said that he was a trend setter and brought into limelight Punjabi flavour and ruled the music world for 12 to 15 years. When asked to pick up a song, she gave “Yeh reshmi Julphonka andhera”.
I was plesantly surprised at her praise, especially because she never sang for him.
So, As OP once said somtime ago there was no quarrel between them, it must be true.
I have this in 128kbps. So, it is quite big. If any one wants this, I can send this. May be, i have to break it into smaller bits and may have to reduce the bit rate to 16kbps or so.
Comment by curao — April 15, 2007 @ 12:53 pm |
C. Ramachandra or Chitalkaar (I hope I am right) had a knack of writing having lyrics written in limerick mode, for example
meri jaan meri jaan sunday ke sunday aana meri jaan meri jaan sunday ke sunday… the next line —- it is Ande ke Ande — Please complete
Another song was sung by SBegum and Chitalkaar.
Hello,Hindustan Ka Dehradun
Hello,Maein Rangoon Se Bol Raha Hoon
Maein Apni Biwi RenukaDevi Se Baat Karna Chaahata Hoon
Haan Haan
Mere Piyaa, Ho Mere Piyaa Gaye Rangoon
Kiya Hai Vahaan Se Telephoon
Tumhari Yaad Sataati Hai Jiya Mein Aag Lagaati Hai
Mere Piya Gaye Rangoon Kiya Hai Vahaan Se Telephoon
Tumhari Yaad Sataati Hai Jiya Mein Aag Lagaati Hai
Ham Chhod Ke Hindustan Bahut Pachhtaye
Hui Bhool Jo Tumko Saath Na Lekar Aaye
Ham Burma Ki Galiyon Maein Aur Tum Ho Dehradun
Tumhari Yaad Sataati Hai Jiya Mein Aag Lagaati Hai
Meri Bhookh Pyaas Bhi Kho Gayi Gham Ke Maare
Maein Adhmui Si Ho Gai Gham Ke Maare
Tum Bin Saajan, Janvari Farvari Ban Gaye Mayi Aur June
Tumhari Yaad Sataati Hai Jiya Mein Aag Lagaati Hai
Aji Tumse Bichhadke Ho Gaye Ham Sanyasi
Kha Lete Hain Jo Mil Jaaye Rukhi Sukhi Baasi
Aji Lungi Baandh Ke Karen Guzaara Bhool Gaye Patloon
Tumhari Yaad Sataati Hai Jiya Mein Aag Lagaati Hai (This part by Chitalkaar is an unforgetable experience. Wah , Wah that lowering of voice effectively, kya baat hai).
In fact his Albela songs were a annual day function ritual in college. Chitalkaar and the dance steps by Bhagwan Dada are forerunners to Big B’s style of dancing and many in Bollywood today. Woh rukh rukh ke dance karna, esp the steps sometimes in one place was a great innovation of Chitaalkaar and Bhagwan Dada. Now this style is original and the style of dancing to OPN’s tunes , with gay abandon is also original. This is badly needed today to reduce the cacophony in music.
Comment by gajanan — April 16, 2007 @ 8:38 am |
You are very right Gajananji, Chitalkar is C.Ramachndra. Full name chitlkar Ramachandra.
The song ……..Sunday ke Sunday.. Paris Dikhaun.. London ghumaun…. murgise ande ande. Is very famous. He was reputed to have used the maximum No. of instruments for that orchestra.
The song you mentioned, Hello, MAin rangoonse bol rahan hun… is from Patanga, perhaps one of his most famous films, along with Anarkali, Albela and Azad.
One tit bit here in connection with Anarkali. An Opinion poll was conducted in England to pick up the best film in different categories, somet time after Jhank Jhanak Payal baje. We were all expecting Nagin would be chosen for the best music. But were surprised to find it was Anarkali and Vyjayantimala in Nagin for the best Actress. Shaheed for the best film. We later came to undertand why Anarkali should be higher, and still consider that as best musical ever 12 gems of songs.
BTW, Patanga has many really sizzling songs. Sometime after his death, Filmfare ran an article on him titled “When C.Ramchandra strode like a giant”. He was,like OP aftre him, a great experimenter and innovator. was the first to mix western with Indian music. credited as the most knowledgeable amongst all MDs.
When you say dances for his songs, one of the first such was, even before Albela. was the Sargam song, With African type drum beats: Oh raat milanki, dil hain pyasa… bampasa… bam pasa. This used to be favorite for dances in entertainment halls.
Comment by curao — April 16, 2007 @ 7:52 pm |
Curao ji aapne tho Bhule Bisre Geet ki yaad dilakaar, dilkhush kaar diya. Kaha Gaye Woh Log.
Comment by gajanan — April 17, 2007 @ 9:00 am |
Curao ji, thank you very much for this nice article on C Ramachandra, really he was a great composer. It is very pity that today everybody giving credit to Lata Mangeshkar for the song “Ae Mere Watan Ke Logon” which moved tears in the eyes of Pt Nehru, but the real hero of this song is C Ramachandra Ji who composed the music for this and late pradeepji who penned this song. Gajananji ne thik kaha , “kahan gaye woh log” the real seven wonders of our Indian cinema, 1. Naushad 2. Shankar Jaikishan 3. S D Burman 4. O P Nayyar 5. C Ramachandra 6. Madan Mohan 7. Roshan and we also can add the name of RD.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry, AP
Comment by G N MURTY — April 17, 2007 @ 1:44 pm |
Gajananji and Murtyji,
When both of you say, “Kahan gaye woh Log”; for old people like me, it is also kahan gaye won din and Bachpan ke din bulana dena. Yes all are gone, those people and those days, even in my own life. My eyes water, remebering them. Oh ,to all those people that are gone Mera salaam leja.
Murtyji, I limit to five, the greatest MDs of all time. My order for greatness is: SJ,OP, Naushad, SDB and CR., With all due respect and credit to all others who contributed to create that golden age of Hindi film music. Roshan, Madan mohan, Hemant, Ghulam mohd, Anil biswas….etc. As the famous Telugu saying by the great Thyagaraja goes, so many greats, Namaskarams to all. Many less known people also chipped in, like Snehal Bhatkar, Dattaram, Chitragupta, Ravi, Bulo C.Rani, Ghulam haider, Husnlal bhagtram, Khaiyyam etc. not in any particular order.
Comment by curao — April 17, 2007 @ 5:50 pm |
Curaoji,
The team of Lakshmikanth Pyraelal was missing from your comments. Is it because they belong to a newer generation?
Another one not receiving a mention was Salil Chowdary (I am not sure I am spelling correctly). His compositions in Madhumati were just fantastic.
I have 2 sisters and no brothers. One sister’s favorite MD is SDB and the other adores SJ.
By the by, can you recollect if CR was ever recognized with the Film Fare award?
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 18, 2007 @ 6:50 am |
Yes , Blind aping of the West has led to these problems. We used to have a Professor in our Eng College, who used to say ” We copy all the bad things of West first and not the good things”. The work culture of West is the good thing to copy and not the other things. India is undergoing a change in all aspects , but if e give up our culture we are doomed. All the MD Curaoji you have mentioned had our culture in their back of mind. OPN had Punjabi rural folk , SD had Bengali sangeet . SJ , LP, KA had Central India , North India, Gujarat ( Saraswatichandra songs). The present crop of MD have imitated the West’s silly music and not its serious ( Beethoven, Mozart and even Sound of Music style music). 20,000 Watts of music is in fashion. Is me kya milta hai. Ear drums gone, complete Baira ( deaf) hota hai aadmi.
Lage Raho Curaoji
Comment by gajanan — April 18, 2007 @ 7:21 am |
Krishna Ji,
C Ramachandra was never received Film Fare award. I am having the following information which I don’t claim 100% correct and if anybody having accurate figures they can correct me.
Name of the composer No of FF award
Shankar Jaikishan 9
Laxmikanth Pyarelal 7
RD Burman 3
SD Burman 2
OP Nayyar 1
Roshan 2
Madan Mohan & Jaidev 1
Naushad 1
Kalyanji Anandji 1
Salil Choudhury 1
I have given the list of old composers only.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry AP
Comment by G N MURTY — April 18, 2007 @ 10:28 am |
The greatest puzzle is why Guide did not receive filmfare award , but someother film did . Suraj am I right that year?
Comment by gajanan — April 18, 2007 @ 12:49 pm |
Now the conversation has turned to c. Ramchandra (popularly known as Anna Saheb) in the industry, let me place some facts before you.There are lots of similarities between OP Nayyar and C.Ramchandra …….
1. Both were tall and handsome.
2. Both had king-size ego.
3. Both had a rich life style
4. They both knew their job.
5.Both were at once jazzy and classy.
6.Generally both never tuned the song till the lyrics were supplied to them
7. Both were fast in tuning and recording the songs.
8. Both were under the magic spell of their leading singers.
9. Both had a major fall out when their buddies left them
1 both are the species of another world.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 18, 2007 @ 1:39 pm |
Please read my last post (235)from point no.8 onwards as under:
9. Both had a major fall out with their buddies.
10.Career of both sinked after that.
11.Both believed in astrology.
12. Both used Mukesh rarely
13. Both were the species of another world.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 18, 2007 @ 3:26 pm |
Excellent comparision Arunji.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — April 18, 2007 @ 3:44 pm |
As I left India in 1971, I was not fully aware of things that happened subsequently in the Hindi moviedom. Often I wonder between S and J, who was the real brain as after one passed away, the other hung in only for a few years. Since my interests do not encompass SJ, I cannot even recollect who was the first one (S or J) to go. Later even RK chose to abandon the SJ band wagon and went with LP.
The fact that SD was not awarded for his work in “Guide” shows that all film moguls were blindly favouring SJ. Defintely, SJ were overrated. In spite of being out of picture for a few years and in spite of the fact that big guys were not supporting him, O.P. staged a marvellous come back with Ek Musafir Ek Hasina. He deserved more awards.
Are we doing anything about creating a web site totally dedicated to O.P.? I am willing to contribute financially.
Pasand apna apna, Kayal apna apna.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 18, 2007 @ 4:43 pm |
people are not concerned whether you left india in 1971 0r 1947, at least you should know about the basics of hindi film music.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 18, 2007 @ 9:11 pm |
It looks some folks are so immersed in praying that they do not read letters completely. I never said I don’t know the basics of hindi film music. What all i am saying is that I don’t care for SJ’s brand of music.
I still maintain SJ were overrated and they did not care to or could not use the instruments effectively. Also pay attention to my last sentence of the previous letter which reads Pasand Apna Apna, Kayal Apna Apna.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 18, 2007 @ 10:21 pm |
One of the advantages which SJ had wss the great lyricists in their music.
1. “Jiya beqaraar hai” and “Barsaat mein humse mile tum”
2 Chori Chori
3 Dil Apna Aur Preet Parai ( Ajeeb Dastaan Hai ye…Great song)
4 – Anari ( Kisi ki Muskurrahto pe ho nissar)
5 – Professor ( Very good songs)
6 – Mera Naam Joker ( Jane Kahe Gaye woh din
in Raag Shivaranjini, You can sing this overseas and remember to do something for your motherland).
7. Jab Pyar Kisi Se Hota Hai.
8. Sangam ( Dost Dost Na Raha)
9. O Basanti”, “Jis desh men ganga behti hai” and “Aa ab lout chalen”. plus the “Beganna Shaadi me Abdulla Deewana. In case you are left out from a near and dear ones wedding , just sing ” Beganna Shaadi me Abdulla Deewana”
In fact whole Mumbai can sing as majority will be left out from 20 th April 2007 star studded wedding in Juhu, even though they have paid thru their nose for their movies.
O Basanti is superbly sung and lyrics fundu hai.
10. Aaab Kaha Jaye Hum Manna Dey Ujala Shailendra. The way Mannada sings this song , you really feel for it. Kudos to Manna Dey
11 Sur Na Saje . Manna Dey – Shailendra
The list is quite long. SJ were quite emotional in their music. The point is that they had the best lyricists to write for them. One example which comes to mind is the lyrics of John Lennon’s song ” Imagine” Very simple and very effective. Whether you are in Jhumritalya ( provided you know Angrezi) or in USA or in Russia , the lyrics are outstanding and it will remain on the top five forever.
SJ had this advantage. About Guide not getting filmfare award . Lobbies play an important role in all awards, whether it is Nobel Prize , Oscar Award ( Crowe of Beautiful Mind missed out to DWashington, this was sheer lobbying). SDB’s music in Guide will remain immortal so long as you have no hearing problems. Credit also goes to Vijay Anand , who had mastery in picturising songs. The cycle song in tere mere Sapne esp the lyrics ” Paas agar Madhur Madhur , Jaise Rajniganda” Wah , Dev Saab ka subtle and dignified romance
The list can go on but I will end with ” Ajeeb Dastaan hai , Kaha Shuru aur Kaha Katam, Yeh Manzilen” . Krishna Banu , Dekha agar lyrics acha ho tho, MD’s ko life easy ho jata and I can end this article with the opening lines of DAPP.
Comment by gajanan — April 19, 2007 @ 7:03 am |
Murty Ji,
Thanks for sharing information on Film Fare Awards.
Recently we watched the new movie Bhagam Bhag. The movie was funny but the music was just horrible in sharp contrast with the old movie which had good music (by OP).
Some time back you talked about a movie “Jaane Mehaboob”. I hope you will share a copy of this cassette with me. In my next trip to India, I hope to meet you and others. I do not have songs of old movies such as, Mr and Mrs. Cartoon M.A., Quaidi, Johnny Walker, Mangu etc. I hope to find some one who has those songs and who is willing to share.
Yesterday, I spoke to another die-hard fan of O.P. This gentleman lives in St. Louis. It seems he was visiting Bombay in 1996 and was in that city for a couple of days. He contacted O.P. by phone and asked if O.P. would have time to meet him. It seems O.P. told him “just come over”. This gentleman was with O.P. for almost two hours. They conversed and O.P. gave him an autograph. It seems O.P. told him he has quit posing for photos with visitors.
Did you get a chance to tape Tribute to O.P.?
Lastly, I would like to thank you for showing understanding, consideration and spirit of accomodation in your e-mails. Thanks.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 19, 2007 @ 7:16 am |
Good Morning Gajanan Ji,
Thanks for putting together a long and detailed letter on the importance of lyrics in the success of songs. However, no body is attempting to answer my question. Why did the film makers gradually shun SJ after one of them died.
As I mentioned I left India in 1971 and in those days there was no internet and communications were very poor. Can you believe a call to India cost me $3 per minute in 1972 where as now it is about 7 cents a minute.
I respect for you and others who seem to be cherishing SJ’s musical scores. Some how I have no burning desire to listen to their compositions where as if you mention O.P. and SD (in that order), I would love to listen their works.
Please accept my sincere thanks for the illuminating and delightful letters you are sending us.
Have a nice day.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 19, 2007 @ 7:39 am |
After Laxmikant died in 1998, Pyarelal stopped making music and retired from the limelight Lines from
http://ia.rediff.com/movies/2007/feb/05pyarelal.htm.
Aabhi ka interview hai. So you must ask Pyarelalji your question, Krishna Baru. There must be something , some emotional bond as SJ’s music itself. Or as the famous song goes from Dosti LP ‘s music ” Rahi Manva Dukh ki Chinta kyo Satati Hai, Dukh tho Aapna saathi hai” must have hit Pyarelal as well as Shankar of SJ. Pyarelal, will be the best person to answer this question, since most of the writers in this section must be connoiseurs of music and lyrics and not MD’s themselves. There is brilliant proverb in Sanskrit ” It is not good to talk about the medicine, but experience it” Agar ek patient ke saamne Dawa ka bottle hi dikhate jayo, tho kya phayda , hai ki nai, dawa administer karna chahiye. Pooch lo Pyarelalji se.
Comment by gajanan — April 19, 2007 @ 8:00 am |
I guess now that I cannot meet O.P. in my next trip, I will try to meet with Pyarelalji.
My father liked a song which went some thing like this “Chaman mae rahikae veerana, mera dil koka ja tha hi”. Probably the singer was Shamsad Begum. Does any one know this song? Thanks.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 19, 2007 @ 8:21 am |
Krishna Ji,
I converted the Jaane Meheboob cassette into MP3 cd and today only i have sent all the song files to you and Curaoji by email. I am trying to upload the same in internet. After successful uploading i will inform everybody.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry, AP
Comment by G N MURTY — April 19, 2007 @ 9:59 am |
tHANK YOU MURTY GARU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TROUBLE.
Iam first thanking you after seeing your message here. I am yet to see mail and download the songs.
Comment by curao — April 19, 2007 @ 5:30 pm |
Yes, Krishna baruji, Chaman mein rehake veerana is by Shamshad, a very good song of Deedar and of course music by Naushad. Deedar was so famous for his wonderful songs, the most immortal song being Bachpanke din by Shamshad and Lata.
Comment by curao — April 19, 2007 @ 5:35 pm |
Krishan Baruji,
I wish to refer to your posts earlier in this. I did not refer to LP or even RDB, simply because my exposure to them was very little. Like you, I also stopped following hindi film music then because iwas busy in my carreer. So, it wont be proper for me to comment. also, I wanted to limit myself to the period, 1945-1975 mostly. Yes, salil chowdhury Was an unintentional omission. My criterion for selection for the top 5 was simply this: Who has the most No. of pleasing to me? not whether they are popular or not. SJ and OP top the list and others follow. But OP is special to me.
I completely agree with you on Bhagam bhag of OP. If any one can dig old FilmFares, you will find the review of Bhagambhag, where its music was praised as much as Nagin!!!I remeber The reviewer used almost the same eulogies.
And i fully agree with you about lobbying and manipulation in awards. Especially, Ek musfir not getting the best music award and Professor getting it. Though I am not against SJ as such, My own personal opinion is that ek musafir is far superior to Professor. I rate even Anpadh Over Professor.
Comment by curao — April 19, 2007 @ 6:00 pm |
Through your post 241, you have tried to give some primary lessons to those who don’t know anything about hindi film music. Apart from the songs that you have mentioned (all are very beautifully composed songs) let me ask these so-called music lovers if they have heard the music of Patrani, Seema, Mayurpankh, Basant bahar, Shikast, Nagina, Aashiq, Kathputli, karorepati…..the list is endless. And there response would be…..”is naam se bhi koi picture aayee thi kya?” Many composers such as K-A and L-P without much sucess tried to emulate them…in fact the whole music of ‘Chaliya’ was based on S-J style and you see the result yourself. So strong was their influence that Late Laxmikant used to dress like
Jaikishan. The trouble with this world is that who don’t know are cocksure and the intelligent people full of doubt. But we should never underestimate the power of such people because they are very large in numbers.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 19, 2007 @ 6:56 pm |
Krishnaji,
I believe Jaikishan played a central role in churning out tunes and maintaining/developing rapport with the producers. Shankar composed many hit too but he did lot of background music. Several trends changed in the early 70s that put SJ on the back burner even before Jaikishan died.
– New crop of actors replaced the older actors that danced to SJ tunes – Shammi Kapoor, Raj Kapoor, Rajendra Kumar, etc. were replaced by Rajesh Khanna, Amitabh, Sanjeev Kummar, Dharmendra, etc. singing tunes of the newer MDs
– Newer crop of MDs was the preferred choice of the producers – Although RD started in 1963, he started making impact only after Teesri Manzil in 1967/68. Aradhna had SDs composition, but RD recorded most of the songs for Shakti Samanta. Thereafter RD was Shakti Samanta’s choice. Interestingly Shakti Samanta had OP in Howrah Bridge, Kashmir ki kali, Sawan ki Ghata. LP was SJ’s protégé who kept up with the trends – they were slowing creeping up with hits in the late 60s such as Aaye din bahar ke, Aaya sawan jhoom ke, Pyar kiye ja, Dosti, Mere humdam mere dost, Humjoli, Jine ki rah, Farz, etc. KA also gave many hits. Rajesh Roshen (LP’s assistant) entered the scene too.
– Kishore Kumar replaced Rafi as the choice of the Producers – newer actors were singing Kishore Kumar. SJ made few Kishore Kumar songs – Andaz (zindagi Ek Safar), Dil Daulat Aur Duniya, Aakhon Aakhon Mae, Kal Aaj aur Kal, etc. – but it didn’t do much at the box office. Producers lined up with LP, RD, KA, and Rajesh Roshen. When RK approached LP for Bobby, LP refused to accept the movie insisting that they were SJ’s protégé and that they were not comfortable. It was only after RK approached Mukesh and asked him to persuade LP that they accepted the movie.
– New trend in Films – Aradhna, Kati Patang, Johnny Mera Naam, Do Raste, Dushman, Hare Ram Hare Krishna, Sachha Jutha, Bobby, Sholey, Zanjeer, Safar, Yadon Ki Baraat, etc. Johnny Mera Naam and Mera Naam Jokar were released around the same time but MNJ flopped miserably while JMN was a mega hit.
It’s interesting that the newer MDs were replaced by yet newer MDs such as Anand Milind, Anu Malik, Nadeem Shravan, etc. So the cycle goes on. LP did manage to survive for a long time though competing with Nadeem Sharavan, etc.
Comment by Hemat — April 20, 2007 @ 2:57 am |
Arunji. Some have their icons like we have personal gods in Hindu Religion. It’s pure Bhakti Yoga. I had friend from TN. He used to like a particular hero and his brother another hero. Dono me itni tu tu mai mai hoti ti, ki ek din dono, mara mari me uthar pade. We had to bring neighbours and there was so much shor gul due to this in the neighbourhood , baap re baap.
If they do not like some MD, Ki Phrakh padta hai duniya ko. Saab sunne wale hi hai agar music achha hai. In fact when I had gone on overseas tour to Sri Lanka, lo behold , there was a group singing the tune of Ramayya Vasta Vayya. In fact one gentleman wanted me to give the original meaning of lyrics of the Hindi song. I remembered one line which is so touching in that song , I write it here. ” Us desh me, pardesh me , sone chandi ke liye bikh the hai dil. Is gaon me , dard ki chao me , pyar pyar hi kahta hai har ek dil” The gentleman when he heard the meaning started weeping , he hugged me. Then he immediately started singing the same tune in his language and wanted me to join. All members ( 6 of us) joined in to dance. The man and his friends told me that this tune is like an anthem for them and we all feel happy to sing this tune when we celebrate an occasion. I feel one should not get perturbed over this.
OPN is OPN , SJ is SJ , SD is SD …..
Comment by gajanan — April 20, 2007 @ 8:36 am |
Gajananji,
I totally agree with you that everyone is entitled to nurse his own choice. IF Someone like Himesh Reshamiyya, well, that’s his problem but why to write such rubbish that S-J were rough with the instruments and were making hell of the noise and someone calling them bandmasters? I want to know from that gentleman who is that “someone?” What you write or hemant writes or for that matter Ashraft writes, one may not agree with you all but you all give some evidence to support your arguements. That’s fine. No hard feelings. You all are entitled to your views….one may agree one may not agree “lekin agar koi hawa mein hi talwaar laharaeya to uska jawab to dena padega.”
Comment by arun bajaj — April 20, 2007 @ 10:50 am |
I understand your feelings. Arunji . This is the age when some minds have little little WMD( Weapons of Mass Delusion).
Defintely Raaja Ki Ayegi Baarat and O Basanti ( Jish desh me ….) is not Bandmaster category. Note the capital B
Comment by gajanan — April 20, 2007 @ 11:16 am |
Why only raja ki aayegi baarat and o basanti…. what about these(APART FROM R.K.)….
LATA
1.Mere sapnon mein aana re…………….Rajhath
2.Tune haaye mere zakhme-jigar ko chhoo liya……Nagina
3. Lagakar dil parashan hai……….Naya ghar
4.Jhoome jhoome dil mera………….Poonam
5.Kahe jhoom-jhoom raat ye suhaani…love-marriage
6.Humse na poochho koi pyaar kya hai…Kali ghata
7.Rasil balma…….Chori Chori
8. Manre tu hi bataa kya gaoon….Humrahi
9.Ja ja re ja baalamwa………Basant Bahaar
10.Bol ri kathputli dori…….Kathputli
and i will go on and on and on. In one of your post you have mentioned the song of Dil Apna Aur Preet Parai. There was one another song it this picture…… “andaaz mera mastaana”…..and four different ‘laggis’ were played on the line “Mera dil kahan hai”whenever it gets repeated
in the song. Ask DATTARAM he would give you more information on it.
ANDAAZ MERA MASTANA……S-J seem to say in every beat of their songs.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 20, 2007 @ 12:25 pm |
I am not at liberty to name who referred to SJ as BANDMASTERS because that person is not alive to defend himself. At one stage, two MDs exchanged verbal volleys. SJ called him as some one who lifts Western music. In reply, the other MD coined SJ as Band Masters. I can list songs where the use of instruments have been rough but I am not interested in going any further. CASE IS CLOSED.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 20, 2007 @ 4:56 pm |
Cu Rao Ji,
Thanks for your note on Deedar. In memory of my father, I will add Deedar Songs to my hunt list.
Did you get any reply on your request on Naya Dur song Saathi haath badhana.
I am sure after the release of Naya Daur’s remake in color, CDs may be available with complete sound track. I have the LP and I will be very happy to share the songs.
Please let me know if any thing is being done in memory of O.P. Most probably, some action has to originate from Mumbai.
Thanks to all of you.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 20, 2007 @ 6:26 pm |
Hi Hemant Ji,
Your wrote an excellent letter on the changes that happened in the Hindi Film music.
I will stay in touch with you through personal e-mail. Thanks again. Have a great weekend.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 20, 2007 @ 6:54 pm |
Krishan baruji,
no, I did not get any response for my request for the 2nd part of Saathi hath badhana (Sathi hath rehana sathire).
you said that you will be hunting for Deedar songs. I have 9 songs of Deedar. If you want any from them i will be happy to send.
Comment by curao — April 22, 2007 @ 10:11 am |
Arunji,
though you said that you can go on and on abt SJ’s great Latas, I still like to mention 2 story songs which captivated my heart.
1. Mohobbat ki daastan aaj suno yeh mohobbatki daastan suno-Mayur pankh
2. Suno chotisi ki gudiyan ki lambi kahani from Seema
Who bothers abt instruments when Lata sings like that? There is no need for any instruments. Yes we can go on and on.
The first from Mayurpankh particularly in front of Taj mahal. In fact, all songs of Mayur pankh were great. I rate it on par with chori chori.
Undoubtedly, SJ enjoyed and benefited from many advantages, definitely notundeservedly. Great singing by Lata, Mukhesh and patronage from Great producers.
Comment by curao — April 22, 2007 @ 10:24 am |
Kaveetaji,
Iam referring to Your post in 181 here. abt the song “Tum mujhe bhool bhi jaao” by Sudha. I have that song , but by Sudha and Mukhesh . no? From film Didi , music by Sudha malhotra herself? No?
pl. dont hesitate to correct me if I am wrong
Comment by curao — April 22, 2007 @ 10:58 am |
Arunji, Iam sorry i missed your reply to Kaveetaji abt Tum mujhe bhool bhi by sudha. any way I am glad iam correct also. Thinking that noone replied to that, i replied again.
curao
Comment by curao — April 22, 2007 @ 11:24 am |
mr.curao,
you are 100 percent correct …..these are gem of the songs and both are set in ‘bhairavi’—–S-J’s favourite raag. other songs of lata based on bhairavi are…..barsaat mein humse mile tum sajan, jiya beqaraar hai, mujhe kisise pyaar ho gaya, mein piya teri tu maane ya na maane(basant bahar), kisi ne apna bana ke mujhoo (patita), tujhe aur kya doon mein dil ke siwa(aai milan ki bela), are tu kahan kho gaya balam matwara(singapore), dil apna aur preet paraai…..and so on. one must understand that singers have to follow the instructions of music-director. they are the creators ….. singers have to just follow their instructions. theirs tunes are so melodious that lata seems to be extra-sweet in their compositions. the maestro must have been under a divine spell when creating the music.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 22, 2007 @ 11:26 am |
Dear Friends,
Iam desperately searching for some songs for many years without success.
1. Jaateho to jaoo kar jaooge kahan by Geetha from Milap
2. Nainon ko mushkurake le by Rafi-Shamshad from Musafirkhana
and the songs from Johny Walker. I have only “thandi thandi hawan” from that film. I will be greatly indebted to any one who can send me these songs. My email addr. is>cumrao@yahoo.com
Comment by curao — April 22, 2007 @ 11:40 am |
some of raag based tune created by late o.p. nayyar(we all know that he had not received any training in classical music)…..this is what we call ‘inborn’ quality…..without knowing any raga he created such masterpieces….
1.piya piya na laage mora jiya piloo
2. mein soya ankhiyan meeche piloo
3.aap yunhi agar humse milte rahe kedar
4.humko tumhaare ishq ne kya kya bana diya kedar
5.jaaiye aap kahan jaaengein piloo
6.mein pyaar ka raahi hoon kirwaani
7.pukaarta chala hoon mein kirwaani
8.gareeb jaan ke humko na tum bhairavi
9.kahin aar kahin paar laaga teere nazar piloo
10.man mora baanwaraa tilang
11.chhota sa baalma tilang
12.raat bhar ka hai mehmaan andhera jogiya
13.tu hi mera prem devta lalit
14.chal akela chal akela chal akela bhairavi
sun
Comment by arun bajaj — April 22, 2007 @ 12:28 pm |
Some body else has said Bandmaster. That happens due to professional jealousy. I remember. Pradeep Kumar had some of the best songs. But they used to sing as if they were doing mass drill. Aaaye Bahar Gham Kile, Inteezar ki. An excellent song , but the hero was doing mass drill. This was a comment by a journalist. I do not remember the name , but this was yrs back. But the masses did not feel that way. They just went for the songs.
Comment by gajanan — April 23, 2007 @ 3:52 am |
Gajananji,
what to say of individuals, these great singers like lata and asha themselves are biased in their views. For lata there is only one Madan Mohan and her brother hrydainath (we all know the contribution of Hrydainath in film music) and for Asha there is always RDB as if no other music-director existed on this earth. But genuine listner’s are not fools. They have been listening these
old songs for years ” AUR UNKO CHHILLKE KO ANAAJ SE ALAG KARNA AATA HAI”. I am in no-way underestimating the contribution of MM and RDB. But bu discarding Husnlal-Bhagatram, Shankar-Jaikishan, Naushaad, SD Burman, OP Nayyar what point they are going to prove?
This new generation from “lallu to panju” is praising RDB. why? Because their icons are praising them. I ask this new breed of listners have they heard the music of 50’s and 60’s? The blame entirely goes on HMV. There is only handful of music available….no Husnlal-Bhagatram,
no SN Tripathy, no Hemant Kumar, no N.Dutta, no Hansraj Behl, no Anil Biswaas,
no Usha Khanna…….even very few works of s-j, sd and op are there. You may like someone more than others but you have certainly no right to neglect them
or belittle them “Ek sher yaad aa rahaa hai…..
YE JO INSAAN KI FITRAT MEIN TARAFDARI HAI
YE KAATIL HAI, SHARMNAAK HAI, BEEMARI HAI
Comment by arun bajaj — April 23, 2007 @ 9:34 am |
Arun , what you say is right. Hemant Kumar had a voice which could lift you.
yaa dil kii suno duniyaavaalo.n
yaa mujhako abhii chup rahane do
mai.n Gam ko khushii kaise kah duu.N
jo kahate hai.n unako kahane do
Film : Anupama, Music Hemant Kumar. Infact the last line by Kaifi Azmi is apt for your piece of write up. One thing I cannot understand is why Ashaji is so quiet about her gratitude towards OPN. Everybody has differences of opinion on many issues , but one cannot forget a MD who tuned your voice. If Ashaji reminisces about OPN , even one good line, you see the record companies and even many influential individuals will speed up the web site for OPN. We only hope this happens and web site for OPN will come asap.
About Madan Mohan , he was also class , and he had ghazal style for his songs , which caught the listener , who had an appetite for an intellectual diet. This Anpadh song , which Lataji has sung extremely well is testimony to Madanji’s greatness. Again Raja Mehdi Ali Khans lyrics a la Shailendra does the magic.
aapakii nazaro.n ne samajhaa, pyaar ke kaabil mujhe….
I will continue …..
Comment by gajanan — April 23, 2007 @ 11:48 am |
OP Nayyar once said if there was no Mohd Rafi, there ould not be an OP Nayyar. I feel that it was Rafi who sang the maximum number of songs for OP nayyar, and that it was RAFI not Asha who was responsible for his great success, as evidenced by OP Nayyar’quote above. Mohd Rafi songs from Kashmir Ki Kali, Tumsa Nahee Dekha, Naya Daur Daur, EK Musafir Ek Hasina, and other films were super hits. These songs are gems and will never ever become stale as the songs of today’s films do.
Comment by Asif — April 24, 2007 @ 2:17 am |
Yes Rafi was responsible for so many MD’s success. He has sung from Dulari ” Suhani Raat Dal Chuki (Naushad) to ” Aasman se aaya Farishta (Evening in Paris). Rafi played a stellar role for OPN, Is me koyi doubt nahi hai.
But the point is that Asha’s voice was tuned in by OPN, which is the crux of present arguement for gratitude.
Comment by gajanan — April 24, 2007 @ 6:21 am |
My dear,
don’t be so callous towards Asha. Music-directiors do say these things when they are overwhelmed by any singer during recording. Rafi sang very emotionally under op, there is no doubt about it but Asha never sang so beautifully and with such grace ,elan and verve before or after the 0PN period. Few examples….
1. Bekasi hud se jab gujar jaaye
2. Chhota sa bbalma
3. yehi wo jagah hai yehi wo fizaaein
4. Barso re bairi badarwa barso re
5. Piya piya na laage mora jiya
6.Ye hai raishmi zulfon ka andhera
7.Jaayye aap kahan jaayeinge
8.Raaton ko chori-chori
9.Aao huzoor tumko sitaare mein
10.Koi keh de keh de keh de zamaane se jaake
11.Jadoogar saanwariya kaisi taan sunaai tune
12.Bol pardesiyaa ye tune kya kiya
13.Thodi der aur baithho chale hi to jaaoge
14.Tum na aaye ghata gham ki chhane lagi……
Listen these songs after taking a sip or two and you will be transported to another world.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 24, 2007 @ 11:37 am |
Aao huzoor tumko sitaare mein
Huzoor tho sitaron mein hai sitara baankar, paar dharti ka sitara has been very quiet.
You are very right about Ashaji and OPN’s songs. Arun.
This line sung by Kishore in Piya Piya song from Baap re Baap is really high funda of OPN . Kishore even in that pace rukh rukh ke words pronounce karta hai. 1955 ka song hai ye. Kya recording hai, even at that time. Hats of to OPN.
ye rut man bhaati ye din madmaate
o dekho gori ham tum chale hain hanste gaate
Comment by gajanan — April 24, 2007 @ 12:47 pm |
Gajanan,
In music industry singers use composers as ladders. When composers are at their peak they hover around them and in bad times they refuses to recognise them. This is the way of the world. Lata and Asha is no exception to this. What Lata did to Husnlal-bhagatram and Shanker-Jaikishan Asha did to OP Nayyar.
The song you referred ” Aapki nazaron ne samjha pyar ke kaabil hamen” is like a kohinoor diamond that Madan Mohan created. After hearing this song Great Naushad told to MM…..” mera sara music le lo aur ye gaana mujhe de do”. “Is tarah ke log the, full of humility”. ” ab aise logon ko khuda ne banaana chhod diya hai”.
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Comment by arun bajaj — April 24, 2007 @ 1:44 pm |
In respect to comments on Lata that she is keeping mum about her association with SJ, I heard that SJ and Lata developed rift some time before Mera Naam Joker songs were recorded. As a result, SJ did not use Lata for MNJ. Can any one of you confirm this story?
Have a nice day.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 25, 2007 @ 7:04 am |
Gajanan,
Through your post you have made two thought provoking points that Asha’s voice was tuned in by OPN and why she is so quiet about her gratitude towards OPN…. It is only because both Lata and Asha have displayed shameful ingratitude to their original mentors. When a wet-behind-the-ears Lata crooned for “Mahal” and made her presence felt , it was ‘Barsaat’ which took her to dizzy heights. Followed ‘AWAARA’,’SHRI 420′,’Chori-Chori,’Patita’, and many other S-J marvels and soon enough Lata left everyone including Shamshad, Suraiya and Geeta. Lata was groomed by S-J and Rajkapoor and some of the most melliflous songs in the Lata reportiere are product of this association. From “Ab raat guzarne wali hai” to “O basanti pawan paagal” Lata couldn’t have done better.
And at the other end OPN was grooming Asha. Teaching her to take those “murkis”, blend the mischievous with the coquettish and training her in breath
control. The only records of Asha that were sold between 1956 to 1964 invariably had the compositions of OPN; otherwise no music director ever took her in the lead voice. But look at the post RD Asha of today; she pretends as if no one by the name of OP Nayyar ever existed.
Same goes for her elder sister Latabai.In a bid to promote her brother Hridaynath and some of the lesser music directors she donned the mantle of a godmother and in all her concerts, interviews,interfaces she would never refer to Shankar-Jaikishan. As if S-J needed the promotion from an ungrateful wench. Her voice started cracking but she would not leave the mike till she ran hoarse ; and the uncritical crowds would give standing ovation,concert after concert and like the fool in King Lear she would perceive the sychophancy as appreciation. Eventually, the myth was broken; she realised much to her dismay that good times do not last for ever. But till she held sway, she saw to it that no credit ever went to S-J.
These are great artistes with small hearts. But to be a complete artist, you have to be a good human being as well. Look at Rajkapoor, Ashok kumar, Dilip Kumar……all legends in their lifetime but they all were
wonderful human beings. Raj Kapoor bowed before Kedar Sharma till the very end. Even when Nargis split up with him, not one word against her in print or otherwise. And today we have the likes of Amitabh Bachchan who settles personal scores on the wedding of his son. This is because like Lata and Asha, Amitabh also is a great atist but someone with a small heart.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 25, 2007 @ 2:39 pm |
Thw whole atitude in India is changing be it cine field and in many other fields. About Raj Kapoor , you have written rightly. His openness and concern for his studio workers is worth writing a script for a movie. I do not know who can act like Raj Kapoor. Someone from the Kapoor family. Many Indians including me , think that any achievement by an individual is his or her achievement and nobody ever supported them or made them into what they are today. I have seen this in many areas of work. It is very sad to see this happen in the land of Guru-Shishya Parampara. Wrong imports from western culture has led to this.
Comment by gajanan — April 26, 2007 @ 6:56 am |
Mr Arun Bajaj’s comments on the ungrateful behaviour of Lata and Asha towards their musical mentors is absolutely correct. Lata tried to run down “main kya karoon raam mujhe buddha mil gaya” after the record sold like hot cakes in 1964 and she got a fat sum in royalty. Then she fought with Raj Kapoor, Shankar and then Mohd Rafi because none of them pandered to the queen bee like attitude of hers. Even today she tries to act and behave like a prima donna. She opposes construction of a flyover because that would affect her voice. Can anyone be more selfish and even more ridiculous ?
Comment by vinod agrawal — April 27, 2007 @ 3:59 pm |
In a concert at Chicago, Illinois held years ago (middle of 1970s), Kishore and Lata entertained the crowd. However, what we noticed was that though Kishore was standing by the side of Lata, he was not in line with her and was a few steps behind her. Throughout the concert, Kishore treated Lata as a queen and he was her subject. Every one in the cine field allowed Lata to control and dominate. I bet Lata due to her popularity and control techniques did not allow other singers such as, Suman Kalyanpur and Sudha Malhotra to come up. It is well known even a fatherly figure like SD had problems with Lata. I don’t think Lata had any respect for any one. Afterall, it is her voice that is selling the records as she believed. Here, we have to keep in mind two things.
Firstly, hats off to my O.P. who withstood pressure from leading cine producers and directors at the cost of his career and refused to work with Lata. Here, the story was that Lata did not show up for OP’s recording and he was upset about being kept waiting. I read somewhere that Lata indicated that she was running behind with numerous recordings and she was too scared to explain her inability to record that day for O.P. In interviews, O.P. subsequently,indicated that he felt Lata’s voice was not suitable for his type of music so he did not attempt to use her voice. For Naya Daur, O.P. risked losing the contract after he turned down numerous requests from the producer to have Lata sing songs for the movie.
Secondly, we have to be happy that Lata did not interfere with the development of Asha’s talent by O.P. and SD (and to lesser extent by Ravi).
After O.P. broke off with Asha, both sisters (Asha and Lata) were openly putting pressure on the studios management and musicians from working with O.P.
I believe O.P. was emotionally drained (because of Asha nd his family issues)and he could not keep his mind and heart in music so he eventually pulled down the curtain on his career.
Let us be patient for a few more years, Asha will be history.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 27, 2007 @ 4:52 pm |
I guess I need to explain by what I meant by “Let us be patient for a few more years, Asha will be history”. What I implied is that she cannot sing for ever and cannot be in lime light for ever.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 28, 2007 @ 5:37 am |
I appreciate Mr Krishna Baru’s comments on the chameleonic stance of the Mangeshkar sisters which not only impacted O P Nayyar’s turbulent career but also of numerous other talented playback singers whom the Czarina got thrown out. Sai Paranjype alone had the guts to expose the true character of Lata in SAAZ but the movie was almost boycotted by the big daddies of the industry. After that none dared to rock the boat. Almost the same syndrome is now being played out in the case of Amitabh Bachchan who has managed to terrorise the entire Industry with his political and business connections. Amitabh is no longer a draw at the box-office: his recent Family, Kyo ho gaya na, Viruddh, Eklavya, Nishabd all have miserably flopped. Not satisfied with being a mere actor, when he threatens to sing with his off-key voice, the connoisseurs almost begin to faint but there is no stopping him. And such is the vicious mechanism of Marketing that in the music shops, O P Nayyar’s music may not be available but Amitabh’s songs are.
The progressive decline in the quality of music, lyrics, playback singing and also in the movie content has happened because today’s movie moghuls are pandering to the “NRI home-sickness market” and not portraying the real India which manifests itself in mofussil towns, villages and the local bazaars. When you watch Sri 420 or Jagte Raho or Boot Polish or Do Bigha Zamin, you see the India of the 1950s.Do we get to see today’s India in today’s cinema ? Is there any involvement with any kind of social issues ? How great music can be born on trivialities ? You need a theme and a film like a Pyaasa and a Awara so that great music can be composed. I have yet to come across a Bandini, Sujata, Madhumati, Anari or Guide in the last several years. Not even a Anand which again had excellent music. I firmly believe that you need great films to inspire music directors to give great music. The poppy bubblegum type of music has no shelf life.
Comment by vinod agrawal — April 28, 2007 @ 4:54 pm |
Very true Vinod ji.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry, AP
Comment by G N MURTY — April 28, 2007 @ 5:05 pm |
Vinodji you are 100% correct.
Comment by gajanan — April 29, 2007 @ 7:02 am |
Yes, Vinodji,
The opinions expressed by you more tellingly in Para 2 ae absolutely true. Even though Murtyji and Gajananji expressed their complete concurrence with you, I am not hesitating to add mine, as it expresses so effectively our own views on contemporary music and values in general.
I just put one question to the young of today: We fondly remember songs, films, performances of artists nearly 50 years ago. Do you think it likely that what are supposed to be hits of today by ARR etc. will be remebered so fondly, let alone 50 years, even 5 years from now?
Instant success of transitory, titilating effects wont last long, if values and quality are lacking. Can any one think of making films like Jaagte raho, Do Ankhen.., Jaagrithi etc. now?
Our own elders, I very well remember, did not think about the music of 50s to 70s as we are thinking of present day music.
Comment by curao — April 29, 2007 @ 9:26 am |
I like to add a few tit bits, for no other purpose than passing on info.
1. In a recent on-line poll conducted by Indian screen,the still living singers, lyricists, MDs, producers(total 20 in no.), including Asha and Lata were asked to pick 20 best songs of all time. The results were truly surprising if not altogether ridiculous.
They picked up 3 songs from Guide, total 5 of SDB, 3 of MM, just one each from Ghulam mohd, Husnlal-bhagatram, Naushad, Hridayanath, Hemant, etc. What really stunned many people was the fact that there was not a single song from CR, OP,SJ,LP,RDB.
To the fans of Guide-SDB, i only say this. They are undoubtedly very good, But do they deserve to exclude all the great creations of the excluded stalwarts?
2. Every one knows that Lata once said that Aayega anewala of Mahal was her best ever. But much later she changed that and said that 2 songs of Black Cat were her best. Mai thumhi thumhise and chale aao chale aao.
3. The only little acknowledgemnt Asha ever gave to OP was some time after Tumsa nahin dekha. She said her best ever and most difficult(upto that time) song was Man More gaa of Mangu!
These are instances to show that they are not really serious but say whatever that comes to their mind at that time. Of course, I am not saying that the songs mentioned are not great. They really are. But, asked another time they would have told differently.
Comment by curao — April 29, 2007 @ 9:50 am |
Krishna baruji,
You said that SJ were over-rated in your post no 240. Though i place SJ at the top, I think there is at least two instances of over-rating.
1. The first was Chori chori against C.I.D.in filmfare awards. By no. of votes, the order of films was C.I.D., Chori chori and Azad. We, OP fans, were expecting C.I.D. would win. But the final award, as decided by a panel, went to chori chori. Really, no regrets over that. Its really a toss-up between the two. I can not definitely say that SJ were favoured. But, why should the panel be there at all for final decision? why not let it go as per votes?
2. The 2nd instance was one which i totally disagree (not that it matters ) was the case of Professor winning. What we were expecting were Ek Musafir ek Hasina. The songs were so refreshing, all songs were excellent, where OP sounded a little different and refined and mature.
I do think, OP not taking Lata definitely played a role in his being under rated through his carreer, as most people were loyal to Lata.
Comment by curao — April 29, 2007 @ 10:21 am |
Arunji,
Let me show my apreciation of your praise for Aapki nazaron ne sanzha of Anpadh here, so others too can do so. Yes, you said Kohinoor very aptly. a devine song. It is not just a feather in MMs cap, but a jewel in his crown.
Pl see my previous post and one much earlier. This song alone is worth half the weight of Professor, which won the Filmfare award that year. This and the other songs of Anpadh should have won over Professor, if not Ek Musafir Ek Hasina of OP.
Many people do not agree with my view, I know. But dont under-estimate my admiration for SJ, Arunji.They were the greatest, but……
Comment by curao — April 29, 2007 @ 10:35 am |
Friends, pl. forgive me for posting so many. I have such a passion for Hindi old songs in general and OP in particular, that i cant restrain my-self from posting my heart out at my old age of 68. I cant get any of my childhood OP-fans to share with, as they left following songs.
Krishna Baruji, thank you for calling “my OP”. Iam also of the same category, who can boldly say “my OP too”. OP-mad you can say.
Comment by curao — April 29, 2007 @ 10:44 am |
Curao Ji,
It appears as though you have some thing for every body in your letters. Though, I seem to differ rather sharply at times from others, I love reading letters from all of you. I have to acknowledge all of you are well informed and well versed with ragas and music. So please keep writing as I log at least twice a day to visit this site.
As you have pointed out, O.P. paid a very steep price for distancing himself from Lata and other moguls of the cine industry. Even Guru Dutt chose to pass up Nayyar and rely on SD. After his rebirth as MD in Ek Musafir Ek Hasina, O.P. had to work with second rate heroes (Joy Mukherji, Bisawasjeet, Manoj Kumar, Deb Mukerji). Only exceptions were Kashmiri Ki Kali and Baharen Phir Bi Ayengi.
Inspite of all obstacles, O.P. thrived and earned a place in the annals of history.
It appears Lata and Asha were antagonized by SJ and OP, respectively to such an extent that Lata does not want to talk about SJ and Asha continues to ignore OP. We truly do not know the human dynamics of these situations. Lata made up for the pitfalls of her younger sister by paying tribute to OP.
Let us continue to play the songs and enjoy them without worrying about the M sisters and what they are saying and not saying publicly.
Another point I want to share with all of you is that in addition to my sister, my wife enjoys some of SJ’s musical creations. I stay quiet when she plays SJ songs.
One of the movies not figuring much in our conversations is Ek Bar Mooskura Do. Just curious to hear opinions from all of you. Please mention which songs were hits. I was a student in U.S. when this movie was released and I had to wait for a few months to hear the songs of this movie. Thanks.
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 29, 2007 @ 9:24 pm |
1 Chehre Se Zara Aanchal – Mukesh & Asha
Chodo ge Na-na ….. Ek Baar Muskaro Do
2 Ek Bar Mooskura Do (Ek Bar Mooskura Do)
Asha Bhosle, Kishore Kumar
3. Roop Tera Aisa Darpan Me Na Samaye (Ek Bar Mooskura Do) Kishore Kumar
4. Kitne Atal Thay Tere Irade (Ek Bar Mooskura Do) Asha Bhosle, Kishore Kumar
5. Savere Ka Suraj (Ek Bar Mooskura Do)
Kishore Kumar
6. Zamane Ki Ankhon Ne Dekha Hai Yard (Ek Bar Mooskura Do) Mohd. Rafi
7. Kitne Atal Thay Tere Irade… (Ek Bar Mooskura Do) Kishore Kumar ( Kishore sings alone)
8. Ye Dil Lekar Nazrana (Ek Bar Mooskura Do)
Asha Bhosle, Mukesh
In this movie Kishore sings with great passion and and he truly lived up to his reputation during that Aradhana , Kati Patang days ( Oh!! Yeh Jo Mohabbat hai— Yeh unka hai ….What way Kishore has sung this song , Hai Funda, Of course music here by RD). IN EBMD , OPN has proved what a self taught genius he was. Song no 3 & 5. Roop tera aaisa and Savera ka Sooraj is set in classical style, esp Savera ka Sooraj. Why shout slogans for the useless politicians of the world. Just say Pyar se. ” Jab tak Sooraj Chand rahega , OPN ka music Amar rahege” When I listen to these songs, I get destressed and I am ready to work with renewed enthu.
Comment by gajanan — April 30, 2007 @ 5:10 am |
SD Burman used kishore kumar’s voice very effectively as Shankar-Jaikishan used mukesh. S-J also used kishore kumar in some of their films but many music-lovers are not aware of that…..some of the obscure s-j-kishore kumar gems are….
1.o meri maina…….kishore-rafi………..karorepati
2.o ladke badhte badhte….kishore-lata……karorepati
3.aaja raat beety jaaye….kishore-lata begunaah
4.aaj na jaane paagal manwa…kishore…… begunaah
5. rangoli sajaao re……..kishore……… rangoli
6. chhoti si ye duniya…… kishore………rangoli
7.tune mera dil liya……..kishore-geeta….sharaarat
8.milte hi nazar aap mere….kishore…….. new delhi
9.arre bhai nikal ke aa ghar se….kishore…new delhi
you may find “hum matwaale naujwaan” from sharaarat and “nakhrewaali” from new delhi after a hard search but songs of begunaah and karorepati are difficult to get.
Comment by arun bajaj — April 30, 2007 @ 1:01 pm |
I concur with Mr Curao’s views as to how frequently the Mangeshkar sisters change their favourite maestros depending on who their current sycophants are. Both Lata and Asha are great artists but are extremely vain and petty-minded. Lata in particular has fought with O P Nayyar, Shankar Jaikishan, C Ramchandra, Raj Kapoor, Mohd Rafi, Suman Kalyanpur, and even with journalists like Raju Bharatan and Vishwas Nerurkar. She only wants fawning sycophants around and the latest find is a guy called Subhash Jha who compulsively writes more about himself than the music he feigns to review. This is the kind of cultural bandwagon which Mangeshkar sisters have introduced and legitimised in Bollywood. And now this abominable bandwagon has a new entrant called Amitabh Bachchan who by behaving insensitively and almost like royalty , (during the Abhishek wedding), has eminently qualified to become a member of this solipsistic Mangeshkar club. See the contrasts ! Amitabh’s father enjoyed the company of intellectuals and poets, the son has Amar Singh and Anil Ambani to cross-fertilise; Dr Bachchan was a rationalist with a scientific temper of mind, the son prostrates before all the temples in India with wife in tow, the father was against rituals and obscurantism, the son gets her daughter-in-law married to a tree or (was it two trees ?). Lata and Asha have petty minds, and for right or wrong it belongs to them but this gentleman does not seem to have a mind at all. I shudder to think that such a person is reckoned as our icon.
Comment by vinod agrawal — April 30, 2007 @ 2:11 pm |
Gajanan Ji and all others,
Thanks for your comments on EBMD. When I read a review of this movie in the Illustrated Weekly of India (almost three months after the issue was published) in a small college library in Minnesota, I was surprised and happy to read that O.P. diversified by using Kishore and Mukesh. May be Mukerjis influenced O.P. Some where O.P. mentioned that he has such high respect for Mukerjis that he would work for them for free.
I have songs of New Delhi and Shararat and I am willing to share them. My niece told me that Rafi’s song in Shararat “Ajeeb Dastan Hi Theri Jindagi, Kabi .. ” was based on a western song. Is this true?
Comment by Krishna Baru — April 30, 2007 @ 4:44 pm |
mr. curao,
i appreciate your view on MM….he was a class composer . i myself have a fairly large collection of his songs. but apart from adaalat, woh kaun thi, mera saaya, jahaan-aara and heer-ranjha …..latabai often repeats song of these films time and again in her concerts, following songs are in no way inferior in terms of quality…
1.tu pyaar kare ya thhukraaye
2. bairan neend na aaye
3.sajana lagan teri sonein na de
4. chaiin nahin aaye
5. hum pyaar mein jalanewaalon ko
6.chhod mujhe na jaana
8.mere piya se koi jaa ke keh de
9.qadar jaane na ho qadar jaane na
10.dard ki ai raat guzar ja
he also had a knack of creating funny songs with spontaneity…..
bach gaye hum dono phaste-phaste, ai haseeno naazneeno, ek thha abdul rehmaan aur ek thhi abdul rehmaniya, sikander ne porus se ki thhi ladaai, dekhta chala gaya mein zindagi ki raah mein, bada hi cid hai wo neeli chhatri wala…..
those were the good old days of hindi film songs
Comment by arun bajaj — April 30, 2007 @ 6:15 pm |
Arunji, Yes, MM had many great songs to his credit
I like to mention a few more nuggets of MM.
1.Beraham Aasamaan by Talat from Bahana
2.Woh jo milte hain kabhi-Lata-akeli mat jaiyyo
3.Tujhe kya sunaoon-Rafi-Aakhri dao
4.Humse na dilko-Madan mohan(?)_shamshad-Aankhen
5. Teri nigahon mein-Talat_Lata-Bahana, another of those enchanting songs, I often mention.
6.hum bulate rahen and humse aaya nagaya, both from Dekh kabira roya
I did not include him among the great 5(SJ-OP-Naushad-SDB-CR) as the total NO. of such excellent songs is less. who should be mentioned after them? MM or anil biswas or Hemant kumar? I could not decide and confined to 5 only.
BTW, Do you have a hit song from Chandan by kishore? I even forgot the words also, though I remember there was a hit.
Comment by curao — April 30, 2007 @ 7:13 pm |
Gajananji,
I fully agree with you on Kishore-OP combination. Baapre baap(Whcih really launched kishore in “audels”. dont forget Raagini in which Kishore was made by Op into such a versatile singer. Bhagam Bhag was another feather in OP-kishore. And Akalmand with such a sweet duet in “khoob surat saathi”.
Comment by curao — April 30, 2007 @ 7:24 pm |
Krishna baruji,
You are right. My general policy is not to offend any one and commend comments if I agree with. since i have now no prejudice against any one, i generally agree with the praise showered on Many MDs and songs.
The second is i try to avoid disputing, even if i disagree with the opinions expressed. 2 reasons. We can not really prove anything and convince others. And tastes differ and opinions of merit etc. are really qualitative.
Comment by curao — April 30, 2007 @ 7:37 pm |
I have my doubts about Rafi’s song in Shararat. In Mumbai, for this song Ajab Dastaan meri Zindagi, the verse which Rafi begins after the initial lines is called by many music lovers as ” Rafi kya awaaz kichta hai” The second verse is memorable singing by Rafi. May the start could have been a western tune. But later I do not think the Indianness which Rafi exhibits in that song could be western tune. I still have my doubts. Then there is another memorable song by Rafi in Rustom Sohrab. Mohhabbat Zinda Rahti hai, Mohabbat Maar nahi Sakhthi… Then Chali Chali aaa , the way Rafi sings this , only Rafi can sing like this. The Jasbad of Rafi is outstanding and mind you this was for Premnath and not some great hero. That is the way Rafi saab was. The movie ” Dosti” Rafi carried it on his shoulders. Dosti songs are popular in many countries. Rahi Manva Dukh ki Chinta kyo Saata ti hai.. Teri Dosti mera Pyaar.
Comment by gajanan — May 1, 2007 @ 4:32 am |
gajanan,
sharaarat song is very much indian….there is nothing western in it: any tom dick and harry can say that. whenever rafi raises his voice to a higher octave the song blossoms,the song you mentioned ‘mohabbat zinda rehati hai mohabbat mer nahin sakti from chengenz khan(not rustom-sohraab) is a perfect example of it. dil ka na karna aitbaar koi (halaaku) ….in this song also rafi raises his voice at the end of each stanza and the result is mind-boggling. hear the alaap of ramayya vastavayya at the end of the song and it enhances the beauty of the song ten-fold. s-j knew how to use rafi…the feel he gives to the song is just amazing….his singing can even thrill a corpse.
Comment by arun bajaj — May 1, 2007 @ 11:51 am |
OP Nayyar was the absolute best in exploiting Rafi’s talent. The song “Aap Kay Haseen Rukh par” from “Bahereian phir bhi Aaenge” and “Humko Tumhare Ishq Ne” from Ek Musafir Ek Hasina are a couple examples of how Rafi goes from high to low in each “untra” and gives a marvellous rendering in the songs. People like Rafi and OP Nayyar are born once in a generation.
Asif
Comment by Asif — May 1, 2007 @ 10:58 pm |
GIN KI KYA TAREEF KAROON HE IS NOW HISTORY AND WILL REMAIN ALIVE IN THE HEARTS OF MUSIC LOVER AND ABOVE ALL HE WAS ATAEE
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Comment by NAWABSHAUKAT — May 1, 2007 @ 11:44 pm |
Rafi in lower octave.
1. Dil ka Bawar kare Pukar in Tere Ghar ke Samne.
2. Din Dhal Jayee in Guide
3. Suhani Raat Dhal Chuki – Dulari
4. Mai Zindagi ka Saath Nibhata Chala Gaya- Hum Dono.
5. Kahin Bekayyal— Teen Deviyan
6. Tere Mere Sapne – Guide
7. Kabhi Khud pe Kabhi haalath pe in Hum dono
and many more. There may be some by OPN also on the lower octave.
Some of the lower octave ones of Rafi are haunting and if the lyrics are good. You need not ask for anything else. Just listen and forget your worries. The Hum Dono songs are perfect examples of this.
Comment by gajanan — May 2, 2007 @ 4:54 am |
Hi Vinod..your comments are interesting. There is so much that goes on behind the scenes that a fair assessment is sometimes almost impossible..and unexpectedly unexpected as your observations lucidly exemplify.
Hi gajanan,
“Kahin bekhayal hokar’…is it lower octave? I felt it was a rather difficult note to sustain.. though that is no big deal for a genius like rafi but especially since this is such a romantic and soft number..maybe that is why it gives the feel of a lower octave..
In fact the video I have posted above in the vodpod..’Jaag dil-e-deewaana ruth jaagi vasle yaar ki’.. is also an example of lower octave.. I simply adore that song… it seems to fill your semses with the aroma of the hill station it is shot at.. the sense of an early evening.. misty rendezvous… what talent… composition and rendering.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 2, 2007 @ 12:50 pm |
Hi Kaveeta Ji,
I just heard the song you had mentioned. The tune is very catchy. As I was listening, I could detect some similarity with SD and SJ’s creations of yesteryears. Further search in Google shows that the MD for the movie Oonche Log was RD. Is this correct?
OP must have truly believed in Rafi as he chose to stay away from Mukesh, Manna Dey, and other male singers for an extended period of time. OP and Rafi combined to give us melodies that last a life time.. Tukde Hain Mere Dil Ke and Pukarta Chala Hoon Main from Mere Sanam; all Rafi solos from Ek Musafir Ek Hasina, Kashmir Ki Kali, and Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon.
Undoubetdly, Rafi was the best male singer and all MDs were aware of his flexbility in singing diferent notes. Rafi’s songs from Kala Bazzar and Guide
are gems. Credit here goes to Burman dada.
All MDs have produced melodies with Rafi but for me, OP is special and Number 1.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 2, 2007 @ 4:41 pm |
kahii.n bekhayaal hokar, yuu.N hii chhuu liyaa kisii ne – 2
ka_ii khvaab dekh Daale, yahaa.n merI bekhudii ne kahii.n bekhayaal hokar
mere dil mai.n kaun hai tU, ki huA jahaa.n andheraa
vahii.n sau diye jalaaye, tere rukh kii chA.NdanI ne
ka_ii khvaab, ka_ii khvaab dekh Daale yahaa.n merI bekhudii ne
kahii.n bekhayaal hokar
kabhI us parii kA hai kuchh, kabhI is hasii.n kii mahafil
mujhe darabadar phiraayaa, mere dil kii saadagii ne
ka_ii khvaab, ka_ii khvaab dekh Daale yahaa.n merI bekhudii ne
kahii.n bekhayaal hokar
hai bhalaa saa naam usakaa, mai.n abhii se kyA bataauu.n
kiyaa bekaraar ha.Nsakar, mujhe ek aadamii ne
ka_ii khvaab, ka_ii khvaab dekh Daale yahaa.n merI bekhudii ne
kahii.n bekhayaal hokar
are mujhape naaz vaalo.n, ye nayaazamandiyaa.n kyo.n
hai yahii karam tumhaaraa, to mujhe nA doge jiine
ka_ii khvaab, ka_ii khvaab dekh Daale yahaa.n merI bekhudii ne
kahii.n bekhayaal hokar
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One great aspect of this lyrics written by Majrooh is that , one has to be a romantic like Dev Saab ( Dev Anand had something in his romance, very polished) and Rafi came up with
a voice , which suited the lyrics. He was haunting in this song. Another song where he sings for Dev Anand is in Jewel Thief ” Dil Pukare.. Aa re Aa re.
rafii: dil pukaare, aare aare aare – 2
abhii naa jaa mere sAthI
dil pukaare, aare aare aare
lataa: o… abhii nA jaa mere sAthI
dono: dil pukaare aare aare aare
rafii: baraso.n biite dil pe kaabuu paate
ham to haare tum hii kuchh samajhaate
lataa: samajhaatii mai.n tumako laakho.n aramaa.n
kho jaate hai.n lab tak aate aate
rafii: o… puuchho nA kitanii, baate.n pa.Dii hai.n
dil me.n hamaare
dil pukaare, aare aare aare
lataa: o… abhii nA jaa mere sAthI
dono: dil pukaare aare aare aare
lataa: paake tumako hai kaisii matavaalii
aa.Nkhe.n merI bin kaajal ke kaalii
rafii: jIvan apanA mai.n bhI ra.ngiin kar luu.N
mil jaaye jo in hoTho.n kii laalii
lataa: o… jo bhI hai apanA, laayii huu.N sab kuchh
paas tumhaare
dil pukaare, aare aare aare
rafii: o… abhii nA jaa mere sAthI
dono: dil pukaare aare aare aare
rafii: mahakaa mahakaa A.Nchal halke halke
rah jAtI ho kyo.n palko.n se malake
lataa: jaise suuraj ban kar aaye ho tum
chal doge phir din ke Dhalate Dhalate
rafii: o… aaj kaho to mo.D duu.n ba.Dhake
vaqt ke dhaare
dil pukaare, aare aare aare
lataa: o… abhii nA jaa mere sAthI
dono: dil pukaare aare aare aare
abhii nA jaa mere sAthI
dil pukaare aare aare aare…
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In this song Rafi comes out in flying colors. esp the line where he sings ” O… Puche no kitni. The way he does ” O…… . Great singing.
So for Kahin Bekhyaal you could say graceful mellow voice of Rafi. When you hear this song , kitna bhi budape ( old age) me ho , you will have a great feeling of the days of your youth.
Comment by gajanan — May 3, 2007 @ 5:23 am |
Dev Anand had something in his romance. Whatever people may say of Dev Anand , he is still healthy , fit and still romantic at the age of 82. So , sing again my friends
” Kahin Bekhaayak hu me
meri umar kitne bhi ho,
aab bhi mai mohabbat ke gane gaa sakhata hu kyo ki Kahin Bekhyaal hu me”.
Comment by gajanan — May 3, 2007 @ 9:21 am |
” Kahin Bekhaayal hu me
meri umar kitne bhi ho,
Read K as l please. The whole antara will change if it is ‘k’ . Apologies to all and great lyric lovers.
Comment by gajanan — May 3, 2007 @ 12:35 pm |
As far as I can remember, chitragupta was MD of Oonche log, unless there is another version with same title. I have just one song from that”Jaag dil E deewana” by Rafi.
Comment by curao — May 3, 2007 @ 7:07 pm |
Krishan baruji,
You are very nice to offer to share the songs of Shararat. I have been searching for one song in that by Lata “Dekho babu cher ka maja”. If you have that, pl send me. My email addr: cumrao@yahoo.com.
Thank you
Comment by curao — May 3, 2007 @ 7:12 pm |
http://www.musicworldofindia.com/
This is good web site. Many good songs are there. I was very happy to hear Rafi’s good songs and some Kishore K ‘s classics like ” Khawab ho thum ya Koyi Haqeqat … in Teen Deviyan. Note the opening lines of this song.
Click on the MD or singers you want and click on the box in the above web page. Keep your speakers ready and tour ear phones plugged in your ears. Enjoy and shamil ho jao mehfil me.
Good luck
Comment by gajanan — May 4, 2007 @ 4:47 am |
Gajanan ji,
Thanks a million for sharing the link. It’s a great gift to all music lovers.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 4, 2007 @ 7:40 am |
Curaoji,
You are correct the MD of the movie Oonche Log was Chitragupta, another talented music director who was not rewarded equitably and recognized. It appears in 1985 another movie with the same title (RD as MD) was released per information in Google.
Kaveeta Ji might be able to throw more light on this issue.
Let me verify that I have the Shararat song you are asking for. I will send you an e-mail. My e-mail is krbaru@hotmail.com
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 4, 2007 @ 7:49 am |
G N Murtyji,
You have been very quiet for a while. We are waiting to hear from you.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 4, 2007 @ 7:51 am |
Nigahe Milana ko ji Chahata Hai …. I am just listening to this song from Dil Hi to Hai sung by Asha , written by Sahir and great music by Roshan. Saathyo yeh gana sune from the wbe page in my earlier posting 309.
Comment by gajanan — May 4, 2007 @ 8:25 am |
Na To Karavan Ki Talash Hai…. Rafi in the end is simply superb…. In the post 309 web site Asha songs section this song is there. Arunji.
Comment by gajanan — May 4, 2007 @ 8:46 am |
Thank you very much Krishnaji. Actually I am daily visiting this site atleast 4 to 5 times only to read the beautiful messages/letters posted by Gajananji, Arunji, Curaoji, Hemantji and yourself. I am getting good knowledge on music, lyrics from these posts. I sincerely thank each one of you for writing such wonderful things.
People like me who belongs to RDB/LP/ARR generation but always likes the music of OPN/SJ/SDB/MM or Naushad gets lots of inputs or knowlede on real film music of Golden Era.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — May 4, 2007 @ 3:36 pm |
Gajanan,
Roshan has composed very good qawaalis in films as you have mentioned. All the qawaalis of barsaat ki raat are good. nigaahen milaane ko jee cahata hai…..another good one from the composer and one that is out of public memory is chaandi ka badan sone ki nazar from tajmahal, again written by sahir. The ‘asli’ Roshan is long forgotten by the Indians…..our film industry only thrives on mediocrity.
someone has mentioned another good song….. jaag dile-deewaana rut jaagi from oonche log….the song is as fresh as morning breeze. The composer Chitragupta was never really fated to reach the top……not even afer AVM’s Bhabhi which has such an array of good tunes. Both the composers were polite like their tunes. Therefore, they were easily sidelined.
Comment by arun bajaj — May 5, 2007 @ 12:37 pm |
Curaoji and all of other filmi music dosts,
I have the song of Shararat that you are looking for. I sent you an e-mail. Let us figure out how to get all Shararat songs to you and any one else who wishes to have them.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 5, 2007 @ 11:57 pm |
Arunji,
While on Chitragupta, His only other hit film was Kali topi lal rumal after Bhabhi. There is one memorable Rafi song in Hatimtai “Parwar jigare aalam”.
There was another great film for songs, Alibaba chalis chor. But, the MDs were Chitragupta and someone else, whom I forgot. Can any one recall the 2nd one?
I just have one great song from that “ai saba unse keha jaraa” by Talat-Lata.
And then there were a few “Jumbo” films made by Wadia. Jumbo comes to town and such other titles. There were many good songs in them. Chitra was heroine in them. We used joke about them as Chitra-Chitragupta.Unfortunately, I could not procure any of them.
The reason Chitragupta made a greater impact in Andhra was that almost all these films were either dubbed or remade in Telugu.
Comment by curao — May 6, 2007 @ 10:10 am |
Dear Mr. Curao,
Chiragupta was assistant to music-director S. N. Tripathy in Ali Baba Challis Chor. After that he started composing independently. He really made many great songs but lady luck was not on his side and he was marginalised in favour of big names. See a short list to judge for yourself….(apart from the songs and movies we discussed):
1. Teri duniya se door chale hoke majboor………….Zabak
2. Tadapaooge, tadapaalo, hum tadap tadap ke bhi……Barkha
3. Tera jaadoo na chalega o sapere………………..Guest House
4. Rang dil ki dhadkan bhi laayi to hogi………….Patang
5. Ye duniya patang nit badle ye rang……………..Patang
6. Jiska joota usee ka sar ………………………Guest house
7. Mujhe apni sharan mein le lo raam………………Tulsidaas
8. Jaao rasiya hato jaao rasiya…………………..Kal Hamaara Hai
9. Muft hue badnaam kisi se hai dil ko lagake………Baraat
10.Muskuraao ke ji nahin lagta……………………Kangan
11.Deewaane hum deewaane tum……………………..Bezubaan
……..a heady cocktail from this genius.
Comment by arun bajaj — May 6, 2007 @ 12:34 pm |
Does any body have songs from Akalmand? I’m desperately looking for it. I had a record many years ago but can’t find it.
Following were some of the songs:
– Khubsurat Saathi – Kishore/Asha
– Sach Kahu Sach Kahu, I love you very much – Rafi/Asha
– Do Akalmand hue fikramand – Rafi/Kishore
– Balama Sajana – Asha and some female singer
– Other – Rafi song – Ab hatt Nange
Thanks.
Comment by Hemant — May 7, 2007 @ 8:55 am |
1 daga daga vai vai vai daga daga vai vai vai
ho gayi tumse ulfat Kaali Topi Laal Rumal
– Chitragupta
2. male: Aulad film Mehmood and Aruna Irani sing this song written by Majrooh sung by Manna dey. This song is good to sing to an NRI.
( jodi hamari jamega kaise jani)-2
hum to hai angreji tum ladki hindustani
female:
(tumko bhi mushkil mujhe bhi pareshani)-2
baat mano saiyan ban jao hindustani
male:
jodi hamari
male:
(angreji mulak mein kitna romance hai
baahar ka chokari kitna advance hai)-2
female:
(dekhe bina kabhi koi ite pyaar se
mukhde pe laaj ka aancharva daar ke )
khilti hai ghunghat mein jawaani
male:
(jodi hamari jamega kaise jani)-2
female:
baat mano saiyan ban jao hindustani
male:
jodi hamari
male:
(bahoon mein tham ke do ghanta roz mein
tumko shikhlayega ulfat ka poz mein)-2
female:
daiya re nain ka kajra na choot jaye
jhankoro na piya jhumka na toot jaye
ro degi dekho tumhare dil ki rani
tumko bhi mushkil mujhe bhi pareshani-2
male:
hum to hai angreji tum ladki hindustani
jodi hamari
male:
lau mein kaat doon lambi lambi yeh lat lau
tumko to hir se banana hai juliet -2
female:
yun na pagal bano dekho re balma
chila ke shor mein kar dungi jalima
zulfen ghata ki na dungi mein diwani
male:
jodi hamari jamega kaise jani-2
hum to hai angreji tum ladki hindustani
female:
tumko bhi mushkil mujhe bhi pareshani
baat mano saiyan ban jao hindustani
male:
jodi hamari
There are many good ones by Chitragupta.
Comment by gajanan — May 7, 2007 @ 8:56 am |
Arun Bajaj ji,Curao ji,Krishan Baru Ji,Gajananji,
Daily postings on this website from all of you and our other our participents have just been so interesting. It is more fascinating because we grew up with all those wonderful songs of the 50s and early 60s. For me, songs from the period 1955 to 1962 are just so special….. I think this was a golden era of indian film music. Unfortunately most of the songs of this period are not available in a good condition. The thing that amazes me the most is the fact that even the second-line composers of this period have been able to produced such great music that can be compared with the best . Just try to think and recollect the wonderful songs by composers other than the more distinguished OP, SJ, Madan Mohan, Naushads, Salil, SD/RD,C Ramchandar, Hemant, Khayam, Kalyanji Anandji, Ravi and so on. Their contribution to the golden era of indian film music is no less than any one else and can be compared with the best….Try to remember men like…………..
IQBAL QURESHI….. Love In Shimla, Banarsi Tug, Bindya, Umar Qaid, Nai Umar Ki Nai Fasal, Qawali Ki Raat and Cha,Cha,Cha.
N DATTA…………Chandra Kanta,Ham Panchhi Ek Daal Ke,Saadhana, Black Cat, Dhool Ka Phool, Didi, Dharam Putar, ( to may knowlege ,N Datta gave music in no less than 55 movies, but his best music belongs to the
1950s)
DATTA RAM……….Parvarish,Zindagi Aur Khwab,Qaidi No.911,First Love,Santaan,Ab Dilli Door Nahin,Kaala Admi
CHITRA-GUPTA…….Guest House, Barkha,Kali Topi Lal Roomal,Kal Hamara Hai,Kangan, Nya Sansar, Baraat, Chand Mere Aaja, Maa Baap, Nache Nagan Baje Been, Patang, Opera House, Zabak, Burma Road, Main Chup Rahoon Gee, Bhabi, Ganga ki Lehrain, Oanche Log,
There are still other second line composers who gave us such wonderful songs like,
S,MOHINDER…..Shirin Farhad
KANU GhOSH……Pyar Ki Raahen
SARDAR MALIK….Saranga, Aab-i Hayat
USHA KHANA……Dil Deke Dekho, Hum Hindostani,Aao Pyar Karen,
Of course ,there were others who were front liners and as great as any , but they didn’t have as many films due to other reasons, like…
Vasent Desai, S N Tripati, Jaidev, Ghulam Haider, Ghulam Mohammad, Sajjad Hussain, Anil Biswas, Hasnlal Bagat Ram.
What a great treasure of songs these wonderful people have given us. We are really blessed.
Would also love to have some comments here from KaveetaJi,
Comment by Ashraft — May 7, 2007 @ 10:52 am |
Hello friends
While the last few comments were very informative but I truly feel that here we should be talking of substance related directly or at least indirectly of OP Nayyar, and not be doing comparative analyses of other composers. There are many other blogs to do that.
So let me make an attempt to steer the flow back to where it should be.
In #128 and elsewhere there were some comments about some of OPn’s last movies.
MANGNI was not his last film, but one of last ones. It was released in 1992, a production of Saiprabha Creations, Mumbai. Believe it or not, it had Antakshari-fame Pallavi Joshi as heroine. The film has 9 songs – all gems, penned by Qamar Jalalabadi (who has written songs for OPN even back in the 50s).
Now here is an interesting fact. Every song of MANGNI is a Hindi reproduction of the songs of NEERAJANAM (the Telegu film) produced a few years earlier. It is this film which has been produced by Lalithasri Combines, Hyderabad (not MANGNI). The producers of MANGNI were so fascinated by NEERAJANAM’s songs ( there was some sort of a link) that it was decided that MANGNI will have the Hindi version. In my opinion, NEERAJANAM’s songs reflect the true OPN. Imagine that every song is in Telegu and yet you can swear that every track bears the maestro’s signature, even if you do not understand one word of it.
#93 Hemant. Here is something more on Dekho Are Dilbar. This is the only time a stupid fool like me received a compliment from the great man – something which later led to the thought of writing his biography on his unique style. In one of our many long telecons, I told him once many years ago, that I feel that some “surs” were made only for him as only he uses them and he laughed (I meant it and this was no flattery). As we spoke, I told him ” Nayyar Saheb, I may sound like a fool but since we share so many things, please allow me to tell you that “Chen se humko kabhee” is a gem but is not my favourite song from PRPVNJ. Its “Dekho Aray Dilbar”. He interrupted me and said” Bus. Ab mujhe pata chala ke aap waqayee meri rooh, mere sangeet ko sahee samajne walay hein”. He said that one simply cannot hear that song without tapping your feet and singing along with it. ” Chein se humho” was a rehash of Geeta’s “Ja Ja Ja Ja Bewafa”. Asha always wanted OP to do an immortal classic which would overwhelm Geeta’s goldie oldie. Sadly, it turned out to be the last song in her voice recorded by the great man. The paradox is that while a lot of behind-the-scene politics came into play to have that song removed from the film Pran Jaye……after Rekha had apprently done a super job at picturization….the song actually received a Filmfare Award.
OP Nayyar was still there to collect it. Asha B was a no-show and they never came under a same roof again.
You have just read a few lines from my book.
Siraj Khan
Boston MA
Comment by Siraj Khan — May 7, 2007 @ 10:55 am |
Siraj,
I concur with you on the song Dekho are Dilbar – it’s a master piece. The western instruments after the mukadha and the switchover to eastern instruments in the antara is just mind-blowing. And the antara is so capturing. It’s my favorite too from that movie.
Another great OP song (did not become as popular but was just fantastic) was from the movie Taxi Driver (1973). The song Jinhen Ho Pyar Sanam by Asha. Listen to the harmonium, flute, and mandolin before the antara and the complete tune – again mind-blowing. The other song in that movie “Pyar Karte Ho Yaar” by Krishna Kalle was also very good. Btw I’m looking for these songs if anybody has it.
Siraj, do you have the songs from Mangni that you’ve mentioned? I would like to hear them.
Siraj based on your conversation with him can you please shed some light about the last 2 to 5 years of OP’s life apart from homeopathy – his attitude, interests, etc. And did he ever have his own top favorites?
Comment by Hemant — May 7, 2007 @ 11:39 am |
Siraj Saheb, you are absolutely right, the telugu film “Neerajanam” music is excellent and the music can be rated among the top 5 compositions during the period 1980-90. Since I understand the telugu language I can very well say that OPji has given equal importance to LYRICS without knowing the telugu language and he has utilized the best lyricists of telugu film industry like Dr C Narayana Reddy (Gyanpith award winner), Late Acharya Atreya who is like a Sahir of south indian films and Late M S Rama Rao who was a pandit and highly knowledgeable person.
Each song of “Neerajanam” is a gem and at the same time very well rendered by non other than Mr S P Balasubraminiam and S Janaki. But again the film is very bad with no story , no star cast nothing. Like many OPji’s films it also flopped at BOX office and I still remember in every theater the film could be shown for hardly 2 weeks and that to only on the strength of OPji’s music. The background and title score of the movie was also outstanding.
After this OPji signed two more movies in telugu like ” Andala putallo Bhagyanagaram ” means History of Hyderabad and ” Premayatra” starring leading actress Sridevi during the period 1990-94. OPji recorded few songs but no body knows what happened to these two films and songs.
There are some other films which OPji signed during 1983-89 period like 1. Mukaddar ki baat 2. Subhanallah and one more film I couldn’t recollect the name but Mr Rajesh Khanna and Mr Rajbabbar came for film mahoorat shot and OPji recorded songs for all these movies which were rendered by Anuradha Paudwal, Kavita Krishnamurty, Shabbir Kumar, Md.Aziz and Mahendra Kapoor (collected from “Screen” ) but again non of these films were released.
Hemantji : I am having all the songs of “Akalmand” and will upload the songs very soon the way I did for “Jaane Meheboob” few days back.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — May 7, 2007 @ 12:10 pm |
Hello friends,
As Siraj Saheb pointed out we have deviated from our primary mission of discussing OP’s life time accomplishments and how to keep the flame burning following his demise. It will be a good idea to have blogs dedicated to separately to each MD so that folks would have opportunity to share ideas and songs about that MD.
After a long time, I am very happy to hear from Ashraft and Siraj. Lets us be friends though our likes and dislikes may vary and use this space to keep OP’s name alive. OP had to struggle against so many odds stacked against him, one of them being so many films were not released though he composed music and recorded songs and the other his marvellous music was combined with movies that had poor stories and second rate actresses and actors.
OP’s Life Story is truly amazing that he made a name for himself though in his second leg he had virtually no support from the big guys. I am still regretting that I could not meet him in person.
Thanks to Murtyji for uploading Akalmand songs. Will I be able to access them?
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 7, 2007 @ 4:31 pm |
Siraj Saheb.. Welcome back..How was the last leg of your trip post our meeting?
Ashraft saheb.. where have you been ? missed you.
Krishna Ji..I have been reading interestedly of the immense information and passion most of our regulars have towards Indian music and other M.D.’s. Even prior to this I was thinking of writing another blog to do with music and songs from the past that have shaped my life and which will include the legends. So this post can be dedicated to Nayyar saheb and his songs.. while the next can be one which encompasses some or as many as we all feel like wrting about. After all it is a matter of bonding together..the excuse and the raison d’etre is music..So keep it coming friends.. Life is a song to be sung with ones heart and from its depths..
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 7, 2007 @ 5:17 pm |
Kaveetji…. Thanks so much for remembering. I have been reading the posts on the site regularly but couldn’t post myself due to busy life and hectic schedule here in the USA.
Krishna Baruji…. Thanks . We shall be sharing our views in rememberance of that great man who gave us a treasure of such sweet and delightful music.
Siraj Sahib…..It is so much fascinating to read about your personal chats with the great man. I cannot really wait to read more about this and see your forthcoming book. I had the ph:no. of the great man and wanted to call him but being a procrastinator myself,I kept delaying it and he left us. I am going to repent it for the rest of my life,though.
Music of MANGNI is ,of course ,so beautiful. In fact, he got Andhra Pradesh state government award for best music director of the year for Telugu version– Neerajanam. The only other award that he got was for Naya Daur as best music director of the year 1957. I personally believe he deserverd many more Filmfare Awards for his other great musical films too, such as…..
CID…1956.
Tumsa Nahin Dekha or Howrah Bridge(1958)
Sone Ki Chidiya(1959)
Kalpana(1960)
Ek Musafir Ek Hasina(1962)
Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon(1963)
Kashmir Ki Kali(1964)
Mere Sanam(1965)
Baharen Phir Bhi Aayengi(1966)
We all know that OP Nayyar has been an upright man all his life. I am sure he never believed in politics and manipulation of media, which is why he lost so many Best Music awards despite a consistent record and a phenomenal array of chart buster songs and scores, specailly in the later part of 50s and first part of the 60s. His forte revolved around a sweet and simple melody with a modern touch given to a folk base with rythem.. He was unique and the only one.THE KING OF RYTHEM. There have been many composers before him and so many others would follow him BUT there would never be another O P Nayyar.His niche will remain his own for all times to come.
I wish he had more of his songs written by Sahir Ludhiyanvi.
MUJ SE PEHLE KITNE SHA-ER AYE AUR AAKAR CHALE GAEY
WO BEE EK PAL KA QISA THEY , MEIN BEE EK PAL KA QISA HOON
KAL TUM SE JUDA HOJAOON GA,GO AAJ TUMARA HISA HOON.
PAL DO PAL MERRI HASTI HAY, PAL DO PAL MERI JAWANI HEY.
Comment by Ashraft — May 8, 2007 @ 9:57 am |
From
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20070201&fname=opnayyar&sid=2&pn=2
OPN’s views . click on the web site above and below.
On S.D. Burman: ” The way S.D. composed for Jinhein Naaz Hain Hind Par is pure genius.”
On Geeta Dutt: ” Geeta Dutt had the most original voice in film music.”
On the best singer of the lot: “Shamshad Begum had the best voice. It was what you could truly call khanakti aawaz. She was right in believing I downplayed her in order to promote Asha.”
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fname=opnayyar&fodname=20070201&sid=1
The story that OP’s earlier favourites, Shamshad Begum and Geeta Dutt, were ignored by him when Asha started singing for him, always upset me. I am a huge fan of Geeta Dutt and I asked OP why he had dropped Geeta when she desperately needed money. She had even called him up and asked him why he was not using her voice any longer. OP replied, “Asha had made it clear that she would be “everything” in my life and I was so besotted by her that I just dropped everyone else. I do know that Geeta needed work badly but I was in the grip of this relationship and I didn’t respond to her.”
So much sacrifices OPN did for…. and one does not understand , what namak this songstress ate. Dubai , ek restaurant , London me ek restaurant… Arre …. saab Indian Khane me namak is bound to be there, so atleast when she sees namak ka dibba… kuch tho aasar hona chahiye.
Wah re Kalyug, Kya Samay aagya. Not even worth the salt.
Comment by gajanan — May 8, 2007 @ 10:19 am |
Gajananji,
you will find a kindred spirit in me as a great fan of Geetha and shamshad. (pl. see some of my earlier posts here)The only times I wept on the death of cine artists was when Geetha , guru and OP died. i used to refer to her my Golden Geetha. I too wrote to OP in those days, why he was not aking Geetha any more. of course, he gave a different reply then, saying that asha’s voice suits better for his songs.
What a courageous man OP was? When Naushad, and CR already stopped taking Shamshad, he gave many wonderful songs to her brough her again into limelight. Pl. recall that in one of his best films, C.I.D., he gave max weightage to her, more than Asha, Geetha.
Comment by curao — May 8, 2007 @ 7:58 pm |
Ashraftji,
For decades, i have not been able to decide on which is best film of OP. You gave a list of contenders and worthy films. wont you like to add Aar paar, hum sub chor hain, Yeh raat phir….
Comment by curao — May 8, 2007 @ 8:02 pm |
Every person has a weeakness or two. Asha appears to have exploited OP’s weakness or sympathy and emotionally tied him up. Defintely, she was the cuprit behind OP’s inability to use Geeta Dutt. Geeta did have marital problems which discouraged SD from relying on her.
How about taking out advertisements in Indian newspapers aimed at Asha? We have to use indirect language with a tinge of a religious touch (quote or a passage from a holy book).
Either we have to step up a PR war on Asha or just ignore her. Any ideas?
Any action directed against the unfaithful or actions dedicated to OP’s memory have to emanate from Mumbai.
My suggestion would be to ignore Asha and concentrate on creation of an online library of OP. It will be nice if we could create one stop place for all of his songs. I don’t know how practical it could be. In addition to links to his songs, this library can have material on his life and his varied interests besides music.
Another suggestion would be to create a music scholarship in OP’s name.
We have to involve OP’s family members and seek their views and participation because they knew him well and would be aware of his feelings on all issues that concerned him directly.
I am willing to support financially any moves in OP’s memory.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 8, 2007 @ 8:43 pm |
One feels that there is no need to stoop so low as to make a halla-gulla of this “Gratitude aspect”. Yeh , public hai , yeh saab jaanti hai. yeh public hai.
One thing which comes out is the way OPN has taken all this in his stride and switched over to being a homeopath, which explains the resilience in him and the principles he stood for.
One personality which comes to mind is Guru Dutt, for whom OPN gave some memorable music. But Guru Dutt had melancolic persona , for which he passed away young. Kagaz Ke phool , Sahib Bibi aur Ghulam reflected his personality. I need not elaborate further. All may be knowing all the facts.
OPN on the other hand was tough and he lived his life in full, even with set backs and mud being thrown at him. Why not a movie on him, with songs to match his personality. In case he has not given permission for this , forget it. It would be a very good movie, with his own appreciation of Burmanda’s song being rewritten towards the end as ” Jinhe Naaz hai OPN paar, woh kaha hai”
Comment by gajanan — May 9, 2007 @ 4:53 am |
Curao ji…….. If you ask me , I cannot decide which of op’s film was the best; because I love every song that he has composed. The list of his films that i had given in my earlier post were those which swept the charts in those days and were on the lips of every person who listened to Indian film music and deserved Filmfare Awards. Yes, music of Aar Paar was great,specially “A Lo Mein Hari Pia” and so was “Hum Sab Chore Hein”. But again ,his other films like DO Ustaad, Mujrim, Kalpana, 12-O,Clock, Raagni,Mrs and Mrs 55,Musafir Khana,Phaagan,Sone Ki Chidya,Basant,Kalpana and Mit Mein Sona, were all master piece. If I have to make a choice to select his best film, there will be a tie between,,,
Naya Daur , Tumsa Nahin Dekha, Howrah Bridge, CID and Kashir Ki Kali. What are your views??????????? And it is impossible for me to select one of these and leave others… Can you do that, Curao Ji???
Comment by Ashraft — May 10, 2007 @ 9:15 am |
Ashraftji,
Allow me first to express my happiness that I found an equally “OP-Crazy” person like me, in you
In selecting the best film, i tried to follow some criteria like this:
Give marks on a scale of ten to each song. and get the total marks for the film. This, didnt work because Tumsa nahin, C.I.D. ETc.have only 6 songs. Their max total can only be 60! Easily surpassed by films like aarpaar, Hums sub chor, ek Musafir…etc., which get at least 80 marks, as I consider the min. I can give for any song in those films is 8. Then, i tried the scale of 100. Even then, let us say, we give 100 marks to Yeh bombay and Leke pehla in C.I.D. Let us compare with Aar paar: Yeh lon mein, Babuji dhire , Hun abhi mai , Kabhi Aar kabhi paar, must be given at least 90 each. the others 80 each. The same problem arises. It ends up with >800. Then I gave up.
From the point of sheer appeal, memorability, and freshness,Variety, new style or not……etc., taking all of them into consideration, I decided on the following as joint bests:
Aarpaar, C.I.D., Tumsa nahin, humsub chor ,Ek musafir, Naya Daur, Mera saaya, Yeh raat phir. all equally best. LOL. I did not find so much difficulty with other MDs, except SJ again.
Comment by curao — May 10, 2007 @ 7:44 pm |
Krishanaji,
The best is to ignore the whole complex problem of Gratitude. What about the sad end of the great Guru dutt family?
Did that lady ever acknowledge her indebtedness to Guru and N.T.Rama Rao who made her heroine first and introduced her to Guru. We all know how Guru Dutt was treated. Let us leave them to their own fate.
OP was on record that Asha did actually pressurise him not to take Geetha. He said he was helpless, despite his inclinations.
Poor poor Geetha died heart broken, may not be solely because she did not get singing assignments. They would have given at least some solace to her in her last years in this cruel world.
About a web site for Op and a Library of songs and other material, I am all for it. Let us show to all How much special OP is.
Comment by curao — May 10, 2007 @ 7:57 pm |
Curaoji, It is so nice to share the thoughts on OPN with you and all other. Before coming to this website I had never known there were so many others who loved OPN exactly the same way I did..
Recollect his song from MITTI MEIN MAIN SONA…. Poocho Na Hamein Hum Unke Liye Kia Kia Nazrane Laey Hain and also “Hum Ko Chore Ke Kahan Jao Ge” from Shrimati420 and Such Bata Tu Hum Pe Fida” from Sone Ki Chidiya.
Dear Friends
As far my knowlege goes , O P Nayyar has never been an assistant to any music director at the start of his career. I am right???
O P NAYYAR,s FAVOURIT 10 SONGS
OPN picked his 10 best songs in Fimfare magazine edition of JANUARY 1-15,1987, Here is the list,
1) Pyar Par Bas To Nahin……..Talat/Sone Ki Chidiya
1)Aana Hai To Aa…………….RafiNaya Daur.
3)Dil Ki Aawaz Be Sun………..Rafi/Hamsaya.
4)Aap ke Haseen Rukh…………Rafi/Baharein Phir Be Aayegain.
5)Garib Jan ke Hum Ko………..Rafi-Geeta/Choomantar.
6)Aanchal Mein Saja Lo……….Rafi/Phir Wohi Dil Laya HOON.
7)Diwana HUa Badal…………..Rafi-Asha/Kashmir Ki Kali.
8)Chain se Hum Ko Kabhe………AshaPran Jaye Par Vachan Na Jaye.
9)Raaton Ko Chori Chori………Asha/Mohabbat Zindagi Hai.
10)Diya To Jila Sab Raat Balam..C.Atma/Dhaake Ki Malmal
Comment by Ashraft — May 11, 2007 @ 11:46 am |
Curaoji,
Refer your Post 335. I do not thing film Mara Saaya, was OPN,s film . It was Madan Mohan,s. Op’s film was Hamsaya.
Comment by Ashraft — May 11, 2007 @ 11:51 am |
The comments/debates/discussions on O.P. Nayyar’s contributions for the enrichment of Hindi film music have been interesting, illuminating and educative, but let us not digress when we have so many other unexplored areas to discuss, such as the lyricists with whom OP combined, the comedy songs he composed for Johny Walker, Mehmood, etc, the heroes and heroines of his movies, and so on.
In my humble opinion, which may not be endorsed by all OP fans, OP is the best Hindi film music director of all times, followed by Shanker Jaikishen and S.D. Burman. I would have placed SJ at the top, but I gave weight to the fact that they are two persons working together and they had the advantage of having Lata ji, Mukesh and several others to sing for them, thereby giving more variety for their songs and more pro-Lata producers approaching them. Same is the case with S.D. Burman.
During the ‘Golden Era’ of Hindi film music, each and every music director contributed his/her mite for the enrichment of music. To cite an example, even a lesser known music director like Lakshi Ram composed a very good song, ‘thoo shauk kali, mai mast pawan….’ for the film “Mai Suhagan Hoom”.
G.N. Murty garu,
The name of the film, which you could not mention in paragraph four of your post at 325 is “Shakhsiyat”; it was launched in December, 1991.
I find that there are a lot of OP fans in Andhra Pradesh, but sadly I do not have so many compatriots here in Kerala ! I heard that OP had composed music for a Malayalam movie also but the film could not be completed.
Kaveeta ji,
It would be a good idea to give wide newspaper publicity to your blog on OP Nayyar in order to elicit the views of several other OP fans.
Regards,
Keloth Macheendran
Comment by Keloth Macheendran — May 11, 2007 @ 11:59 am |
Thank you very much Macheenranji for giving the film’s name.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry, AP
Comment by G N MURTY — May 11, 2007 @ 3:13 pm |
It was most unfortunate that Asha Bhonsle exhibited too much of her ego (Cf. Filmfare awards incident, in which she wanted all the credits for her rise for herself, without giving the due to those who were instrumental for enabling her to ascend to her peak of filmi fame) and drove away OP Nayyar from her glorious film career, thus taking on to the path of descent with other music composers. Nayyar took the senseless rebuff easy but chose to resign himself to homeopathy. He was truly a man of great musical sensibility with a simple human heart and the unique knack of doing pride to himself and Asha with his highly creative and stirring music, most of them based on Punjabi folk and the quintessence of modified classical music in a manner palatable to both the cogniscenti and the lay listening public. Many of his creations for films such as Phir Wohi, Kashmir ki Kaliyan, Ek Musifir Ek Haseena, Pran na Jane Par Bhi Vachan Na Jaye the last failure of a film with at least one immortal song,to cite a few, were unequalled in creative imagination. Of course he declined with the perversion of quality of film music in India, which was no reflection on OPN. May his great soul rest in peace!
Comment by M Balakrishnan — May 11, 2007 @ 4:23 pm |
Ashraftji,
Ofcourse, I neither meant Mera ssaya nor Hum saaya. I had mere sanam in mind, when my fingers indvertantly typed mera saaya.
Comment by curao — May 11, 2007 @ 6:34 pm |
Murtyji,
Any chance of loading those Akalmand songs soon.
Thanks.
Comment by Hemant — May 11, 2007 @ 9:45 pm |
Murtyji,
Please load the songs of Akalmand at your convenience. I can wait.
I would like to share songs that I have on a video tape. Any ideas on how I can do this?
Appreciate assistance from any one. Thanks.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 11, 2007 @ 10:30 pm |
Dear Hemantji, Krishnaji
I will upload the songs as soon as possible, may be within 7~10 days.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — May 12, 2007 @ 9:10 am |
Friends,
Perhaps this is as good a time as any to talk about how amazed i always am when i hear music-directors hold forth on their BEST 10 OR 20. Invariably, the selection comprises of the songs, less traveled, with intricate musical structures and preferably based on some Indian classical “raag”. This, I suspect, music-directors do on purpose, to impart respectability to their selections. The mistake lies in a belief which is somewhat widespread that simple, catchy and popular tunes should not be reckoned as the best work of any artist.
OPN, overnight, got perceived as the musical wizard not because of laboured tunes like “Chain se humko kabhie” but due to “O leke pehla pehla pyaar”, “Ek pardesi mera dil le gaya”, “Kabhie aar kabhie paar”, “Sar per topi
laal gaal pe”, “Ude jab jab zulfein teri” and similarly formatted numbers which had folksy flavour, catchy rhythm and foot-tapping beats. These are the kind of songs with which a man-in-the-street can relate to. These are immensely hummable songs: you could whistle them while having a shower or when you are dressing up or doing household chores and these tunes are so infectious that others also take the cue and begin lip-syncing.
Film music is meant for masses. It is not the glory of musical concerts where maestros sit for hours to show the range of their vocal chords. This was very well understood and realized by no less a person than Raj Kapoor who orchestrated all his music directors in such a manner that they shed their sophistry amd musical pedantry and came down to earth, to vibe with the lowest common denominator. And thus were born songs like “Barsaat mein tak dhina dhin”, “Awaara hoon”, “Mera joota hai japani”, “Ghar aaya mera pardesi”, “Pyaar hua iqrqqr hua….”. These simple songs can be easily reproduced on harmonium and banjo to the maddening beat of a dholak; thus charging the entire atmosphere in a few seconds.
On the contrary the songs deliberately selected by MD’s are those laboured tunes which have whimpered their way out with their tails between their two legs, in the first week of release itself. No amount of spit and polish is going to put shine on them because while being good musical creations, they lack the connection with the common man. And the common man is not a musical pundit….he is a farmer, an urchin, a rickshaw driver, a student, a mill worker, a shopkeeper but these are the ones who give sustenance to a film song and who have the power and capacity to turn an ordinary OP Nayyar and Shankar-Jaikishan into what they have become today.
Comment by arun bajaj — May 12, 2007 @ 12:03 pm |
I am in consonance with the thought that some songs are made for the benfit of the masses and appeal to all Universally.. Though there is no apparent harm done there.. art has after all to reach a wide audience.
that is the bane of creativity.. all creativity. Sometimes mediocrity becomes the key to success while genius dies unsung. So the trick lies in corrupting your art to help assimilation..gold mein bhi millavat karni padhti hai. The puritans would die a thousand deaths before they did this .. and this is what happens they sometimes just die out.. sad but true.
I wonder sometimes what is true art? That which gets acknowledged by an uninformed mass? Or that which is truly savoured by a knowledgable few.
But I do not agree with your last statement. O.P. and S.J. were by no stretch of imagination ‘ordinary’..neither were they below par by any standards.. Thats unfair.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 12, 2007 @ 1:06 pm |
Keloth Macheedran ji,
This blog is being widely viewed on the blogosphere as is apparent from the number of hits. As far as print media goes, soon somebody or the other will find it and talk of it. I am hesitant about broadcasting my blog upfront. Its not my nature.. NDTV had contacted me earlier and had taken an interview..I am shy of approaching the media.
What statistics tell me is that people read much more than they comment..and that is fine. As long as the message of our love for O.P. nayyar and other music Directors comes across plainly, we are on solid ground.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 12, 2007 @ 1:36 pm |
After reading Kaveetaa ji’s and Arun Bjajs comments about how M.D’s may compromise for the sake of popularising their art or making it more acceptable i was wondering if anyone knows or has read which were O.P. nayyars favorite compositions.. his own as well as others.
Comment by Krishnan — May 13, 2007 @ 12:03 am |
If friends do not mind and brush this away as irrelevant or mere figment of imagination, i would like to relate one actual incident that happened to me.
I an my son with families were dining in “Venetian”, A Hotel-Casino in Las vegas, under an unbelievable artificial sky, in artificial twilight. An orchestra was playing and a few dancers in traditional Italian dresses were dancing to the instrumental tune. Suddenly , my son asked me ” Daddy , hear the tune being played- Is it not one of your favourite Hindi songs?” I too immediately realized it is so. After the piece was played out, i went to the Orchestrator and asked him how he got an Indian tune. He was equally surprised and told me that, it was not Indian, but an old Italian folk music of 40s in the venice region.
The song was “Pyar hua Yeh karar hua….(Shree 420)-(Full mukhda)”that immortal song, So Indian(to me). The antaras of the Hindi song were not there of course.
Firstly, I dont want to detract any thing from the greatness of the song, one of the finest duets in Hindi, or SJ’s creative power. It only shows the universality of music and that it has no language and regional barriers.
Comment by curao — May 13, 2007 @ 10:47 am |
Arunji,
How wonderfully you write English! you really mastereed the art of writing English. You must try to write big articles on topics of your liking. It is not that every one can write like that. Though I have the vocabulary, i really cant imagine writing the way you wrote the post in
“laboured tunes which have whimpered their way out with their tails between their two legs, in the first week of release itself. No amount of spit and polish is going to put shine on them” LOL wonderful.
Murtyji,
shall I save you some trouble and send the Akalmand songs to Krishnaji and Hemantji? hoping that you will have no objection, i am sendint them
Comment by curao — May 13, 2007 @ 10:57 am |
Krishnanji, For OPN’s own 10 favourits, as per Filmfare (Jan 1-15,1987 ), please go to my post # 337.
Comment by Ashraft — May 13, 2007 @ 7:24 pm |
What happened to OPN ‘s hat and his fabled dress? Must be with his adopted family. Why not paint OPN with the his fabled dress and hat and auction the paintings to some rich fellows and use the money for some memorial or the proposed web page to OPN.
Comment by gajanan — May 14, 2007 @ 4:06 am |
Ashraft ji, the songs picked by O.P. are tremendous…’AAnchal me saja lena kaliyaan’ is utterly romantic. ‘Raaton ko chori chori’ is such an unmistakably classical composition, replete with murkiyan and harkatein. Impossible to believe that it came form one who has never formally been trained in ragas. The other songs have been mentioned on this post from time to time including my post.So his choice is close to ours as well..Some melodies I have not been able to recognise…
Gajanan ji,
Siraj had mentioned that the ‘hat’ is with the adopted family. Further up in the comments section I had invited Ashwini Karandikar to share her life and some snaps with us at Sachiniti since this is an ongoing space where his admirers cannot seem to get enough of eulogising this great personality. But there was no response.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 14, 2007 @ 9:23 am |
Thank you Curaoji for sending “Akalmand” songs to Krishnaji and Hemantji.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — May 14, 2007 @ 10:37 am |
Atleast paint OP ‘s picture with the hat on and acution it off to Salman Khan and there are some good admirers in the film industry. The money which you get from this, you can build a super -duper web page…. Yes…. I am waiting to hear… Saar Paar topi Lal aur …..in full blast from the to be created web page only.
Comment by gajanan — May 15, 2007 @ 6:46 am |
Thank you asraft ji. I would also like to know who are the M.D.s of op jis times and before him by which he was inspired..did he ever speak of his favourite compositions by other composers?
Comment by Krishnan — May 16, 2007 @ 12:06 pm |
I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read a comment made by Asha Bhosle about the early success in her career where she simply ignored OPN’s credit in shaping her voice and tried to downgrade his contribution in giving a major break in her music career. I’m copying an excerpt from that article to show you what she really said…[[They (OPN and Asha)split on August 5, 1972. It is not clear what made them part their ways. On being asked the reason for their parting, O P Nayyar once said, “I know astrology very well. I knew that one day I had to part with her. Something also happened, that upset me, so I left her.” Nevertheless, he also said “…now that I am seventy-six, I can say that the most important person in my life was Asha Bhosle. She was the best person I ever met.”
The parting of Asha Bhosle and O.P. Nayyar was bitter, and probably therefore she has hesitated to give Nayyar his due. While talking about O.P. Nayyar in an interview with The Times of India, she once remarked – “Whichever composer gave me work, it was because my voice was suited to his music at that point. No one musician did me any favor by asking me to sing for him.” She gives the credit for her first big break to B. R. Chopra, the producer of Naya Daur.]]
Believe me, while reading this part of the article I felt so ashamed of myself to accept that I’m here breathing in such a world where a hypocrite and ungrateful person like Asha Bhosle is still living and, more painfully saying, singing. I still can’t believe how could she say what she said!!!! She was so mean minded that she didn’t even mention OPN’s name and dared to offend OPN indirectly. I however felt very proud as an OPN fan when OPN, on the other hand, showed a great respect to this singer and hailed her as the best person he ever met. What a graciousness!!
If anybody else hasn’t mentioned yet, I’m giving here a link to another great article on OPN by another avid OPN lover Dr. Narasinha Kamath. It’s a great tribute to the maestro. I really didn’t know OPN was so smartly shrewd as he said himself :” I used to make a tune in five minutes; it never took me more than that. But I would always tell the filmmaker to come back after 15 or 20 days so that it wouldn’t look that simple”.
Link- http://dr-narasinha-kamath.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/02/latest-on-opnayyar.htm
Comment by Abed — May 16, 2007 @ 3:30 pm |
First of all I must congratulate Kaveetaa kaul for this post and the rest of the commenters who have displayed so much love, affection caring and concern for O.P. Nayyar. So many lovers of his music in such a versatile gathering that it touches your heart.
I am confessing to writing under an alias. Its not my true identity. I must share with you all what i feel about Asha Bhonsle and what I know about her. Since you all have at some point or the other expressed so much regret on the fact that she has not bothered to give one statement of grief at the news of his death. Let me tell you that there is no greater ‘user’ and ‘manipulator’ in the industry than these two sisters. I do not wish to sound malicious. But had there not been any talk of Asha here I would have not bothered to spoil the lovely atmosphere here.
Asha has lived by using and abusing people. Her talent is there its for the world to see, but her temperament leaves much to be desired. There is even doubt as to the relationships with various others besides OP and RD, even to this day. let me not prolong it further. Just found it difficult to control myself on reading the comments here and felt I had to say something since I knew her on close quarters. Sometimes it is a curse to see closely what people are. Its better to live in a fools paradise with stories of glamour satisfying you. But when you go behind the scenes and see the truth of their life you feel like discarding even their memory.
Talent and real person often are two different things. this can hold true of most celebrities… even today.. stars music directors, singers, they are a filthy lot..believe me. Asha believes in living for today..raat gayee baat gayee. Success means everything to her . She must be the center of attraction of people she is involved with.. age is no bar..anybody will do.. what more can i say? Samajh jaao.
Comment by Anjaana — May 16, 2007 @ 4:00 pm |
Hi friends I have added ‘Bahut shukriya badi meherbani’ on my vodpod.. please view on the side bar top right of page.. Sadly, despite trying continuously I am not able to find O P.jis songs on you tube and google etc.. But all the same, please listen to the melody and bask in its romanticism.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 16, 2007 @ 5:26 pm |
Hi Friends,
I noticed that YouTube has trimmed its video collection of OP from 40+ to a mere 12.
YouTube had 5 songs of Ek Musafir Ek Hasina. I am wondering what has caused YouTube to downsize the video collection on OP. I am truly disheartened at this reduced availability.
Kaveetaaji, please accept our sincere thanks for the effort and time you are putting in running and updating this site.
I hope OP’s family members (both biological and adopted) participate and share with us their insights on OP. We are not seeking any material possessions left behind by OP such as, his hat or silk shirts. We are only requesting them to share things and experiences that would add richness to our discussion on OP and his life.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 16, 2007 @ 7:33 pm |
Thank you so much Krishna ji. Interacting with all of you reading your comments keeps my enthusiasm on its nadir as well.
Yes I have noticed that the songs, even the ones which I had previously uploaded have been removed by the source. It is not you tube which is responsible for this Krishna ji.
And yes, like I mentioned earlier, all we would have liked from the adopted family or others are a wealth of memories which if they so desired they could have shared with us. Maybe snaps, anecdotes,a slice of life. But if they have chosen to desist then we have to accept their decision. In fact there is no other site, with such a vast collection of OPjis fans, on the net.Joy when shared is doubled and grief halved. But I guess we will make do on our own.. we have done Ok this far. This space is almost like a one stop encyclopaedia on Nayyar sahebs career and filmography.
I am endeavouring to upload a collection of songs as well. Click on this post and you will be greeted with a devastating composition which will enthrall you. Coming right up..soon 🙂
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 16, 2007 @ 7:47 pm |
Hi Anjaanaji,
You analysis of Asha’s psyche is very interesting. It appears Asha B had a very rough and troubled personal life though she was legally married twice. I don’t think she is at peace with herself. Let her run around the world in search of Happiness.
The latest desire of Asha is to sing with Sachin T. I hope Sachin is wise enough and does not get involved with this old and fat lady. Less we talk about the M sisters, it will better for all of us.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 16, 2007 @ 8:12 pm |
As I had written earlier , only a Shakesperaean style cinema will be fit for the female Brutusini. Somebody with good imagination should write a good script on OPN and khol deena chahiye , yeh banawat ki duniya wale kho.
Comment by gajanan — May 17, 2007 @ 8:10 am |
Did Op mention anything about Madan Mohan, Lp, Sj, Naushad? They are also some who were his contemporaries.also SD burman.. What did he think o f them? I think Op would have been an admirer of Madan Mohan…the man was a genius too.
Comment by Krishnan — May 18, 2007 @ 12:06 pm |
Krishnan , here is the reference for you.
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20070201&fname=opnayyar&sid=2&pn=2
OPN’s views . click on the web site above and below are some excerpts from the above web site
On S.D. Burman: ” The way S.D. composed for Jinhein Naaz Hain Hind Par is pure genius.”
On Geeta Dutt: ” Geeta Dutt had the most original voice in film music.”
On the best singer of the lot: “Shamshad Begum had the best voice. It was what you could truly call khanakti aawaz. She was right in believing I downplayed her in order to promote Asha.”
Comment by gajanan — May 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm |
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20070201&fname=opnayyar&sid=2&pn=2
OPN’s views . click on the web site above and below are excerpts from the above site.
On S.D. Burman: ” The way S.D. composed for Jinhein Naaz Hain Hind Par is pure genius.”
On Geeta Dutt: ” Geeta Dutt had the most original voice in film music.”
On the best singer of the lot: “Shamshad Begum had the best voice. It was what you could truly call khanakti aawaz. She was right in believing I downplayed her in order to promote Asha.”
Comment by gajanan — May 18, 2007 @ 12:55 pm |
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20070201&fname=opnayyar&sid=2&pn=2
OPN’s views . click on the web site above and below.
On S.D. Burman: ” The way S.D. composed for Jinhein Naaz Hain Hind Par is pure genius.”
On Geeta Dutt: ” Geeta Dutt had the most original voice in film music.”
On the best singer of the lot: “Shamshad Begum had the best voice. It was what you could truly call khanakti aawaz. She was right in believing I downplayed her in order to promote Asha.”
Comment by gajanan — May 18, 2007 @ 12:57 pm |
Gajanan thanks for the links I think I have read these comments earlier on this page.
Shamshad begum had a flat and unemotional voice devoid of any expression. I wonder why Op Ji fascinated with it. Geeta dutt too had a unique voice but not the best even at that time. She suited a particular category.
Any references to other m>D. or contemporaries besides the reference to SD? I am curious to know what he thought of compositions which had gone on to becoming a craze at his time..his contemporaries.
Comment by Krishnan — May 18, 2007 @ 2:02 pm |
Krishnan, Shamshad begums voice was one which left you moved because of its clarity and perfect notes. Op’s compositions were easy on the ear but difficult to sing. So a singer of her talent could well blend into his songs and bring out the frshness of the tones almost to perfection. Nothing can be more deleghtful to a Music Director than to hear his creations in a divine voice. In the manner he trained Asha Bhonsle he could have accorded the same attention to Shamshad. But that was not to happen.
It is indeed a pleasure to read the wide variety of comments and thoughts expressed on this inimitable musician par excellence. Thank you
Comment by D Ghosh — May 20, 2007 @ 10:24 am |
Hi Kaveeta,
I am sorry but I have been out of touch for some personal reasons.Tell me what can I share with you?I just like to read what everyone thinks of Baba.Mera toh yeh haal hai-aaj bhi-ki many times i pick up the phone wanting to hear baba’s voice and then I realise that its no longer possible.I will try and share some photographs that I have when he used to be the judge for Sa Re Ga Ma Pa.
Comment by Ashwini Karandikar — May 20, 2007 @ 1:22 pm |
Kaveetaji,
I just learnt how to split a DVD of video songs into individual songs. I also registered with vodpod, and also wordpress separately. But, still I could not understand how to integrate those two, and see that the uploaded videos come onto the blog. the title of the blog i had to create is:cumrao’s video collection.
Also the quality deteriorates to some extent, when I split the original and rip to my PC.
Any suggestions from you are welcome.
Thanks for posting ” Bahut shukriya” of ek musafir ek hasina. A song of superlative quality, which has few equals even in the whole universe of old Hindi film songs. Nayyar’s wizardry at its best, in the tempo, tenor, pace, modulation of the voices.
Comment by cumrao — May 20, 2007 @ 2:10 pm |
Kaveetaji,
After some further effort, I could find the way to add 2 video songs to your video collection. Iam still experimenting. If this succeeds, our friends in sachiniti can find all videos, in the same site without logging-in separately for my video collection.
I hope you dont mind my taking this liberty of intrusion.
Comment by cumrao — May 20, 2007 @ 7:33 pm |
Hi Ashwini,
What we would perhaps like to see are vignettes from Op ji’s life through snaps.. perhaps stills of how he spent his days in the last few years and some snaps when he was young and so dapper.
I know exactly what you mean when you express the loss of not being able to get on the phone and speak to your ‘Baba’. I lost my father a few years ago. He was someone who was much like O P ji ..both were from Lahore and knew each other well. I too have met O P ji as a little kid.
As for personal problems..Papa often used to say..
Ya to deewaana hasse ya Tu (almighty) jisse taufeeq de,
varna iss duniya mein rehkar muskura sakta hai kaun”
of course this was only in his sombre moments.. otherwise he stressed on the need to incorporate the philosophy..
“Khuda aur Nakhuda (oarsman) mill kar dubo de kashti, yeh to mumkin hai,
Meri vajahe tabahi sirf toofan ho nahin sakti”
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 21, 2007 @ 12:53 pm |
Cumraoji,
I have included another song in the vodpod.. the utterly romantic”aaap yunhi agar humse milte rahe’.
Pyaar kiya to darna kya is naushad saabs composition.. I am creating a separate category in the vodpod for O P jis songs and will include whatever we find on the web there.
I am in the process of loading on the mp3 player with most of Op Ji hits ..with the help of my friend Devilsworkshop who is a wiz at this… we are experiencing some minor glitches, which should be rectified soon.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 21, 2007 @ 1:14 pm |
Kaveetaji,
Thanks for including another gem from Ek Musafir Ek Hasina. Another superb romantic duet from this movie which was rarely heard on radio, either Radio Ceylon or Vividh Baharati was ” Thumi mohabat hi hum se mana. bhato iska kusur kya hi”. If I remember well another duet ” Main pyar ka rahi hoon” was not included in the film, though it was another marvelous musical creation.
If God were to restrict me to choose me to only movie songs of OP compositions, I would find it to be mentally gruelling but in the end I will have to choose Ek Musafir Ek Hasina.
Thanks again for taking the lead in running this venture. I am sure all OP fans appreciate the one-stop place you are trying to build.
I have video cassettes of Howrah Bridge, Baap Rae Baap, Ek Musafir Ek Hasina, Kismet, and Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon. I can get them converted to the format that is suitable for playing in India if you have a use for them. Please let me know. Thanks again.
Comment by Krishna Baru — May 21, 2007 @ 6:43 pm |
Krishnaji,
I also once in one of my posts expressed my conclusion also that ek musafir …. is one of the top contenders for the best OP film, if we have to chose amongst the films with all songs excellent(nothing less!). The others for me are Hum sub chor hain, Tumsa nahin…, Aarpaar, C.I.D., Naya Daur, Mere Sanam. One can extend the list further as there are so many films with all excellent songs.
Comment by cumrao — May 21, 2007 @ 8:08 pm |
Krishna ji..Thanks for the warm words. Its the enthusiasm and passion of the commenters that acts as fuel coupled with the deference one has towards a maestro of the caliber of Nayyar saheb. If one sometimes goes through the comments and imbibes the wealth of information and love as is apparent there it is truly boggling. Similar to flowers attracting bees, the honey within his compositions has as if mesmerised generations of listeners who have therefore thronged here..
About your video cassettes Krishna ji, if you make an account with youtube or google videos ( its fairly simple) and folllow instructions to up load the songs, then my vodpod will locate them and I can publish it here.
“Ek musafir Ek Hasina “.. ab kya kahen.. is like Ek Nayyarji Lakhon Deewaane”
Cumrao ji,
It is truly a daunting task to ‘choose’.. finally its a matter of mood I guess. At which juncture of your life which melody appeals the most and Nayyar saheb has a repertoire to his credit.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 23, 2007 @ 1:04 pm |
I have been reading here for a few months. I have not heard all the songs mentioned here because I am 27. But I have heard the hits and I love them…..like deewaana hua pagal and others. I have a request to make to Kaveeta ji. Can we have another thread also for music dirctors like R.D.? he is a genius who needs to be honored too.. Dont you all think?
Comment by Indrani Deb — May 23, 2007 @ 7:36 pm |
Thank you Kaveethaji,
for posting Aap yuhi Agar. The songs of Ek musafir still act like elixir at my old age. You are very right in saying that our likings are influenced by many factors like our moods, stage and age in life etc.
BTW, I did upload two video songs in vodpod and sent them to your vodp[od ac. under he name “Kavees video collection”. I first uploaded them to “cumrao’s video collection”. I wonder why you did not receive them.
Comment by cumrao — May 23, 2007 @ 8:14 pm |
Indrani Debji,
Yes RD has to be honoured in a separate web site. You must start it like Kaveethji has done. Let this be exclusively for OPN as Siraj Saab has said. OPN was a pioneer in his own right and the way he strode in industry without any back up speaks volumes of his calibre. RD and SD his father are great in their own right and they can be combined in a single web page separately.
Comment by gajanan — May 24, 2007 @ 6:17 am |
Hi Indrani and Gajanan ji
On R.D. Burmans birthday I had created a special thread as a tribute to him which has also been widely read. Please read here..and feel free to comment.
https://sachiniti.wordpress.com/2006/06/28/for-rd-burmanon-his-birthday/
In fact I would like to request my friends here as well to check it out. Talent and genius should always be applauded, memories re kindled and works of art in any field deserve to be kept alive as do their creators. Let us make the effort to honor another maestro who has dedicatedly aspired to contribute to the field of music, almost his entire life and provided scintillating melodies that has spanned generations as well. Its only fair ..It mirrors our own sensitivity and response to one of the most divine gifts of Mother Saraswati.. Music.
Cumrao ji..I am glad you like ‘aap yunhi agar’.. I am surprised that it has received only 6 hits so far while Kajra re has 240 hits.It cannot be..maybe the viewer ticker is not working as has happened all these days with all the videos..
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 24, 2007 @ 10:54 am |
Thank you so much for the link Kaveetaa ji..you write so well. I am so glad that you have written a post on R.D…Big Boss. I have left a comment there for you. Each generation provides a genius.. for us it was R.D.
Comment by Indrani Deb — May 24, 2007 @ 1:35 pm |
Thank you friends for the hearty welcome that you have given me. I was very nervous that i might offend with my comment and others may raise objection. But ‘saanch ko aanch nahin’.
everyone pays for their misbehaviours. none can escape that.. So A.B. will have to some day pay also. It is a coincidence that there is now a comment on R.D. Burman the great great musician who too was married to A.B. Did you know that he was living alone for many years previous to his death due to differences with her. he had only Rs. 2500 in his bank account when he died. Only one film was on the floor..”Love Story 42′. the world had given up on his talent then. And today all worship him. All M.D.s and their compositions are inspired from him.
Kaveetaa ji i read your link to your tribute to this great man.. It was so nicely written.. fun and pain and grief all at the same time. A.B. now goes on to behave as if she was in love with the man.she is only exploiting his popularity..God Bless such manipulators!
Comment by Anjaana — May 24, 2007 @ 2:01 pm |
Kaveetaa..Thanks for this post.
I had seen a widget of O.P. Nayyar songs in the side bar yesterday. Its not there today..what happened?
Comment by Jatin Lall — May 24, 2007 @ 6:11 pm |
Hi Jatin,
Yes I have been trying to post his songs but its not that simple. A friend of mine devilsworkshop had sent me an embed with a flash player.. but apparently wordpress does not support flash players only Google and you tube etc. therefore the widget did not work and I had to remove it. The process is on..
Perceptive eh?
Comment by kaveetaakaul — May 24, 2007 @ 6:16 pm |
w
Comment by hitesh prajapat — May 25, 2007 @ 12:50 pm |
couldnt quite get what hitesh prajapat meant by that single ‘w’.Was it to be a ‘wow’ or a ‘wait’ 🙂
Comment by anon — May 25, 2007 @ 1:27 pm |
O.P. Nayyar’s style was so unique. Nobody could imitate him. Sometimes they imitated his rhythm and use of dholak but that is not what he was only. The main thing is his melody and combining that with rhythm is difficult. I cannot remember any one copying him.Or maybe they could not. I am a great fan of his songs. It changes my mood completely if I listen to him. The only other who I feel has this quality is Jagjit Singh in ghazals. Nobody to match him. he has lasted while all others have faded.
Comment by niloufer — May 25, 2007 @ 1:57 pm |
Niloufer ji ,
there was a film called “andaz apna apna’ by Raj Kumar satoshi with aamir salaman in the lead . The M.D. of the film Tushar Bhatia has tried to re create the magic of Op ji.. If you remember the song with horse beats from that film.. “Ae lo A lo ji sanam hum aa gaye aap ka dil leke’ It was a complete copy of songs like ‘banda parvar tham lo jigar ban ke pyar phir aaya hoon….Phit wohi dil laaya hoon’ of Op Ji’s.
Comment by Krishnan — May 28, 2007 @ 10:55 am |
Nilouferji,
Welcome to the group of ardent OP fans. He was truly inimitable, unique. Whenver i hear a set of songs by diffrent MDs in shuffle mode, The moment an OP’s song comes up , my mood is elevated immediately. Never was there a composer, who had such distinctive stile and made every song of his, even in obscure films with third rate star cast and utter flops memorable. something special in every song. An example is C.I.D.909. Every song is utterly delightful, but what a flop film!
Comment by cumrao — May 31, 2007 @ 5:52 pm |
Kaveetaji,
Thanky ou very much for posting that really haunting romace of Aap yuhi Agar….I often mentioned in my posts here that for many reasons “Ek Musafir….”, stands out among OP’s later films.
As I said earlier, Iam trying to post videos of OP’s and some other songs thro’ vodpod.
They are going into vodpod alright, under the head of “cumrao’s video collection”. but, I am unable to add them to Sachniti, and I am unable to add them to your “Kavee’s video collection”, so that viewers here can access all videos in one place. But I failed in this attempt.
Any one interested can log-in/sign-up in vodpod and search for cumrao”s video collection. I already posted about 6 or 7 songs. Adding more every day.
Comment by cumrao — May 31, 2007 @ 6:14 pm |
Hello cumrao ji,
Yes I know its really tricky. I tried going to your collection as well..but could not locate it.
Can you spell out the address in detail e.g.you have mentioned cumrao”s video collection. Should it be cumrao’s ?
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 1, 2007 @ 12:27 am |
My all time gr8 fav Music Director..!!! I love his music..!!
Comment by sun — June 1, 2007 @ 12:01 pm |
Oh , I am sorry Kaveetaji, my mistake by oversight. It is cumrao’s as you rightly guessed. Perhaps, That is why You are not able to go to my videos. I was able to go to yours. I tried to add 2 videos to yours(Kavee’s video collection). Your site in vodpod kept on saying that they are awaiting administyrative approval. Perhaps you also can see that In Kavee’s video collection.
It shows 2 members , one is my self. and on the yellow header, you will see the titles of my songs as ” awaiting approval and will be published soon” Whose approval? your’s or Vodpod’s?
Right now I am trying Pando, which can send upto file sizes of 1GB.
My proposal to you is, if you agree, we can have something like O.P. Nayyar’s Videos, where all our friends can add video, audio and films.
I badly need feed-back if what I proposed above will work or not. It will work, if everyone regd with vodpod is able to add his contribution.
I think I never thanked you enough for starting Sachiniti, where we all could exchange nostalgic memories of that golden era, particularly those of that Sangeeth ka jaadugar,OPN.
Comment by cumrao — June 1, 2007 @ 7:37 pm |
I like to say a few words on Geetha and Shmashad.
Someone said that Shamshad’s voice was flat without any emotionality. I beg to differ strongly. She had voice of a diffrent kind, Which in her day attracted millions, and ruled the music world along with Nurjehan, before Lata and Asha came along. Everyone knows, That in her early songs, Lata tried to imitate shamshad’s style of singing, which did not suit her.
Emotionality, different tenors,timbres, modulation, variety etc. , what all you want in a singer, Shamshad had. Recall songs like:Kaise baje dil and Khabr kya from Chandini raat, The songs of Mother India, the songs of Aag, Mohobbat karnewalonka of Ankhen, Chod babulka ghar of Babul, Kabhi aar kabhi paar, Kahi pe nigahen, booz mera kya, Leke pehla pehla(after all OP was not a fool to give one of his best compositions to her), Bachpan ke din with Lata in Deedar, Jab nain mile laralu from Jaadoo, the songs of mela, Nagma and best of all the songs of Patanga, etc., etc.,
Nurjehan, Shamshad, Suraiya were eclipsed, not because they were inferior, but because tastes have changed and new MDs came along.
Then Geetha: My most favourite singer. The golden Geetha. I dont want to prolong this post by mentioning her best songs which were too numerous. Her repertoire is muchmore wide. As you said, she had a unique voice too but not at all confined to a narrow range of particular type of songs.
If one has to pick up the 100 best songs of all time by music fans of all ages , I am sure there will be good no. songs of all these singers, and not merely Lata and Asha.
Oh yes, I agree that Lata and Asha were the best of all time, but, without prejudice to others.
Comment by cumrao — June 1, 2007 @ 9:25 pm |
Friends, I have added a separate category called O. P. Nayyars hits to my vodpod, on your right at the top of the page..in Kavees video collection.
To get there -> click on the header ‘ Kavees Video Collection’.. the page that opens up on the left is a category-> O.P. nayyars hits -> click and it will open up to the videos .
Below that in the Community section too there is a member ‘Op Nayyars hits’ which is mine.. a collection of his songs..
I am trying to get as many as I can..right now there are 7 Please add in as many of his as you like…Enjoy
Cumrao ji,
It is a good idea. In fact the last hour or so I was trying to upload a separate Video box for only OPjis songs, but I guess since there is already one video box , the embed for another was getting stripped. So I have created the category in the existing vodpod itself. Its simple and accessible.
I found the two songs that you have sent. One is ‘boojh mera kya naam re’ and the other was ‘pyaar kiya to darna kya’.. Are these op jis numbers? I am quite confused. If they are then I will add them on that category immediately.. also feel free to add any other songs of oP jis you might chance upon..Thanks.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 2, 2007 @ 6:32 pm |
Kaveetaa ji,
its good that you created a separate category for Nayyars’s videos. Thank you. I too did the same but named it as Nayyar’s Nuggets. Any way the pupose is the same.
When I sent those 2 songs for inclusion in your video collection, there was no separate category for Nayyar. Also, I was just doing on trial basis in the beginning.
Therefore, i did one color video of “Jab pyaar kiya to” from Mughal E azam and B/W of “booz mera kya naamre” from C.I.D. You can add the latter in Nayyar category and The other in your general category.
I do have nearly 70 songs of Nayyar in video form. All of them may not be hits. And Overall I have nearly 500 to 600 Vintage songs in video.
Candidly speaking, i am getting frustrated because of various reasons. No one seems to be so much interested in the video versions except you and I . The uploading is slow and sometimes fails in vodpod. It says “failure in transcoding”. And in my Tata Broadband package, there is a limit for uploading/downloading. If I am sure of others’ keenness to see, I would gladly undergo the addtional expense.
BTW, Is there any way, of achieving the same end of file sharing without actually uploading?
Pl. forgive me for pouring all my troubles before you. No one else is giving me any feedback. Perhaps most of the people here have thse already?
Comment by cumrao — June 3, 2007 @ 12:28 pm |
cumrao ji,
firstly thanks for the effort and interest you and Kaveetaa Kaul ji are taking to include O P Ji’s songs here. I would like to put my views across. Maybe the reason why readers are not making known their views is not because they are not interested but because maybe they dont have enough knowledge on the subject. I have seen all the songs and have enjoyed it thoroughly.
thanks and warm regards to all here. I visit here everyday and my day is not complete without reading here any new comments.
G.V.Iyer
Comment by G.V.Iyer — June 3, 2007 @ 12:53 pm |
Thanks iyer ji for your encouraging words. If people like you show interest, it will spur us on to a greater effort to share our views and content on the great OPN
Comment by cumrao — June 3, 2007 @ 5:29 pm |
Enjoy
Tareef karu kya uski Kashmir ki Kali
Hey Duniya Uski do TV version
yu tho humne laakhs hanse dekhi hai Tumsa ND
Comment by gajanan — June 4, 2007 @ 7:10 am |
cumraoji and gajanan ji I have included the songs sent/suggested by you in the vod pod..I simply loved them.. ‘Hai duniya ussi ki was so fantastic.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 4, 2007 @ 10:32 am |
Jara right me Dekho ji
Nishana Choot na jaye.
I have seen the right side . Yes Kaveetji the videos are there. Anyway a reemphasis.
Comment by gajanan — June 4, 2007 @ 12:40 pm |
Ha ha Gajanan ji..Fikar not ..Nishana nahin chootega.. Our readers here will look far and hard for a glimpse of O P Jis songs..
In any case I had explained it in # 397 and have also included it in the main post itself..so that when these comments go higher up and perhaps may be missed, then the post has details as well.
Cumrao ji,
I can understand your angst. Yes uploading can be time consuming as well as broadband width consuming. Let me assure you that readers do care.. like iyer ji commented, most may not be computer savvy to enlist solutions. dont worry we are doing Ok..your songs are right up there. Dont go by number of views..its often faulty and fails to update.. Thanks.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 4, 2007 @ 12:57 pm |
Thanks thanks thanks for the lovely songs. They made my day. Mera mood badal gaya. I just wish I could go on listening. I heard All from the op nayyar category.
I wish we could get more and more..Thank you Kaveetaa ji again and everyone else.
Comment by niloufer — June 4, 2007 @ 1:23 pm |
OPN, unlike Naushad and Dilip Kumar, always maintained a dignified silence and never run down his rivals. It is on record that Naushad accused Asha Bhosle of “bazaaru-pan” in her voice. Dilip Kumar initially said that there is odour of “daal-bhaat” in the ghati marahastrian accent of Lata Mangeshkar. Very recently an ape called Himesh Reshmiya said that Mukesh had a nasal voice. Thank God, OP never succumbed to such cheap remarks though he could have spilled the beans on Asha in a most uncharitable manner. However,for the sake of record it must be clarified that the first Bhangra number in Hindi films was introduced not by OPN but by Salil Chaudhary in Jagte Raho. The lusty Bhangra ” Koi na bhai koi na” rendered by Balbir and Rafi set to the lyrics of Prem Dhavan and picturised on a group of Sardars with Raj Kapoor as a bewildered bystander was the first and till now the best Bhangra song to appear in any Hindi film.
Another vastly under-rated duet of OP is from Howrah Bridge : Main jaan gayee tohe sainyaa, ab chhod bhi mori bainya. The full-throated voice of Rafi counter-balanced with the sharp octave of Shamshad, punctuated with superb beats of dholak, and served in the casserole of OP’s trademark maddening rhythm, is a listener’s delight. Once this song is played, the feet start tapping, fingers begin drumming on the table-top and the entire being starts swaying to rhythm.
I would also rate “Chal akela chal akela” as one of the best numbers of Mukesh.
Comment by vinod agrawal — June 5, 2007 @ 3:55 pm |
Mr. Vinod,
Of all the OP numbers, i would accord the pride of place to Mukesh’s “chal akela, chal akela” in terms of sonority of voice, soundness of orchestration and the felicity of tonal expression with which the tune has been crafted. OP excels with his interlude pieces which encompass sudden sweep of myraid violins rising to crescendo, and then get woven with soft sounds of flute and piccolo-pieces and then the entire orchestra suddenly surrendering to one dominant bass instrument, is an amazing piece of musical craftsmanship. Mukesh’s voice has been modulated by OP in such a manner as if the primitive man is calling from his cave with all the challenge and defiance he can muster in his clarion call to a slumbering mankind. The throwing of the gaunlet to “do it alone”, to extricate yourself from the “mela” of insensitive relatives and friends and to respond to the vast unknown horizons which lie ahead with a mix of grief and joy is the motif of this composition.
The song in it’s rendition and style touches some hidden chord in the listener’s being; setting joy bells ringing and springs of hope welling up in his heart. And that precisely is what the function of a good song should be.
OP knew his instruments like we know our fingers. The function of a musical instrument is to enhance the dominant mood of the song. Something which the voice cannot do, is more effectively performed by the instrument. So whether it is Rais Khan’s sitar in “jaaiye aap kanha jayenge” or Van Shipley’s guitar in “pukarta chala hoon main”, the instrument in both the cases have heightened the mood very poignantly. It is nobody’s case that other music-directors didn’t have this skill but it was just that with OPN, this quality came across very palpably.
The Mangeshkar sisters caused untold harm to this musical genius during his life-time. Today’s ” nan-khatai” bandmasters who go by the name of music-directors have behaved like chastened schoolboys before the duo,—-yessing, bowing and scraping their way into what they fondly imagined to be the prime donna’s personal favour. But what has been the end result of this rank sycophancy? Not one worthwhile composition in the last many years from any of these clowns and as far as Lata is concerned, her voice has become a terrible screeeeech! No amount of Saraswati Vandana in a white saree with traditional bindi is going to gloss over that basic deficiency.
Comment by arun bajaj — June 5, 2007 @ 5:03 pm |
Dear Cum Rao and Kaveeta ji,
I have accessed a few of the videos that both of you have recently added to this site. On behalf of all OP fans, I would like to thank both of you for your time and efforts. As I have been tied up with some project work, you have not heard from me for a while. Nevertheless, I am logging on every night before going to bed and keeping myself up to date on the postings to this site.
Thanks again.
Comment by Krishna Baru — June 6, 2007 @ 7:53 am |
Dear Vinodji,
I am in complete agreement with you about the duet Main Jaan Gaaye Toje Saya from Howrah Bridge. There is another duet by Rafi and Shamsad (Mohabat ka haat jawani ka pala, subhana alla babu subhana alla)in this movie. Both are so melodious that you can keep listening to them for ever without getting tired.
I have the video cassette of Howrah Bridge. May be one day I can add the songs to this site.
Comment by Krishna Baru — June 6, 2007 @ 8:08 am |
Krishnaji,
“Mohobbat ka haath Jawani ka palla” is my fovourite song too. It is better composed orchestrated, Bringing out the best from the joyous tone of Shamshad. specially, when she says jawani ka palla, we feel like getting up and dance.
Comment by cumrao — June 6, 2007 @ 7:23 pm |
Arunji,
you gave a really thoroughly analysed eulogy on Chal akela. your analysis prompted me hear it a few times consecutively. A really really wonderful song. OPN was said to have not much liking of Mukhesh, and he was himself surprised at Chal akela becoming such a great hit.
I just want to add a little bit to such a wonderful analysis. The chorus bits in that song. I feel they made the song more perfect, an added embelishment, by creating a contrast and transition between Mukhesh voice and the musical interludes. OP, as you rightly said, did not compos it, he carefully ” crafted” it with an exactitude, as if he used some unknown meters to measure their effects.
Pl. Vinod and you recall one of the earliest creations with Mukhesh-Geetha, ” “Jhuka jhuka hai nigahon” of Miss Coca Cola. There also, he could wonderfully combine the voices of the singers who are not usually associated with each other:Mukhesh and Geetha. With just small bits of simple musical interludes. Immersed in the beauty of their singing and harmonizing with each other, you will hardly notice them.
both these are such simple tunes, but yet made into treasures to be cherished forever by OP. A perfect control of the modulation of the voices is a speciality of these two songs.
There are very few such songs by Mukhesh: The nearest I can recall is “Ai pyase dil bezubaan”-shararat-SJ.
There are very very few chorus pieces as sweet as in Chal akela. I think of two like that: The chorus in “Mera salaam leja”-Uran Khatola-Naushad, and “Mai gareebonka dil”-Abe hayat-Sardar Mallik.
Comment by cumrao — June 6, 2007 @ 7:58 pm |
Bhagam Bhag songs
http://www.mp3hungama.com/music/index.php?action=album&id=969
Comment by gajanan — June 7, 2007 @ 4:10 am |
Arunji and others,
“Ai pyase dil bezubaan”, mentioned by me in my post above, is ofocurse from “Begunah”, and not from Shararat as mistakenly written by me
Comment by cumrao — June 7, 2007 @ 6:14 am |
Nan-Khatai Bandmasters have all Pani Kaam Wali Chai like lyric writers. Why write in so much haste , jaisa ki dus bees ka fast local to CGate pakdna hai.
There is no thinking involved in lyric writing. Sometimes I feel they must be outsourcing lyric writing to some chota mota Hindi school teacher or some fellow who is come to Mumbai is search of a living and is selling Gola-Sherbet outside school gates. You never know , it could be even a temporary job to take lyric writing or a parttime job in addition to hawking some churan-bhelpuri outside the school gates.
The words used in these lyrics makes you think like this.
Will we ever get a Shailedra/ Sahir/ Majrooh anymore ya baas outsourced Pani Kum Wali Gana soon lo…..
Comment by gajanan — June 7, 2007 @ 7:31 am |
I just posted here one audio, Ajab hamari hai zindagani, Kabhi andhera Kabhi ujala. I hope OPN Fans will aprreciate the pathos and haunting melody of the song. OPN could create such sad songs also is a wonder. Though rare, there are a few such songs which proved he was 2nd to none in that class of songs also if he wanted.
Also enjoy the lively and vibrant Jara haule haule challo
Comment by cumrao — June 7, 2007 @ 7:59 pm |
Cumrao ji,
thanks for posting the audio. I would suggest that you edit the title and add ‘audio only’ so that viewers may not misunderstand …since this was primarily a video box. And ofcourse I love ‘haule haule saajna”
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 7, 2007 @ 8:16 pm |
Kaveetaaji,
Yes, I would tag audio explicitly in future.
Can you suggest me a free software, by which, i can extract individual songs from a DVD? I tried many free versions, but, they are all inadequate in some respect or other.
morevoer, They all leave their name or website in water mark on the video. and one more thing: Is it legally OK if I post these videos from prerecorded DVDs purchased in the market? or would I be infringing on copyrights?
I had some problems with the ripper i used so far. It is only ripping audio now, without video. I am trying 2 or 3 others.
Comment by cumrao — June 8, 2007 @ 9:49 pm |
Cumrao ji,
If they leave their name or watermark it should not be objectionable..Its only fair. Also maybe this way the copyright issue gets to be redundant. although I am not absolutely clear if there is one.
Perhaps you can extract and store on a cd or on your computer and then upload on to youtube, google, Myspace, daily motion..
As for the audio on Kavees video. all you have to do is add ‘audio’ to the title itself, which you can do even to this audio presently. Go to manage -> edit-> and then change the title accordingly if you like.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 9, 2007 @ 11:25 am |
i met nayyar saab first at his residence at SHARDA, A ROAD, CHURCHGATE in January 1988, then same year on 21st August at hotel Hackman’s Mussoorie…he left his home forever on 30th April 1989…lived in Virar for two years in early 90’s…again i met him at Room no.1, Juhu Hotel, Mumbai in April 1996…and finally at Naupada, Thane on 10th December 2005 where he was living with Nakhua family as paying guest…it is very unfortunate that media and people say that he was abondened by his family but the truth is something else…anyway he was a great music creator, i was, am & will always be an admirer of his creations…i saw the gradual changes in his thinking n behaviour…sach me waqt insaan ko kya se kya bana deta hai…but my strong belief is that only we are responsible for whatever happens with us…i took along the audio cd (all 7 songs) of his shelved film ‘dil tere hawaale’ to present to him but it was badly disappointing to see his very very cold reaction towards the CD…in fact he had distanced himself from music in his later days…i request everybody NOT to see his family members (his wife smt saroj mohini nayyar, son and 3 daughters)in B & W though i’ve never met them (except once when i met one of his daughters for a few seconds)…jo kuchh hum sunte aaye hain wo kewal ardhsatya hai…SHISHIR KRISHNA SHARMA (JOURNALIST, FILM HISTORIAN & RECORD COLLECTOR)
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 9, 2007 @ 11:28 pm |
reg: comment (no.320) by hemant…
hi hemant…i have this LP Record(Akalmand) …other rare nos. (LP’s) of Nayyar Sahab i have are Howrah bridge, chhoomantar, Ragini, Hongkong, Baharein Phir bhi aayengi, heera moti, bin maa ke bachchey, khoon ka badla khoon, pran jaye par vachan na jaaye,muqaddar ki baat (incomplete), 2 SP’s with all 4 songs of aisa bhi hota hai, EP’s of CID-909, mitti me sona/jaali note, dil aur mohabbat, Audio CD’s of baap re baap, sone ki chidiya,naya andaz, mai baap, hum sub chor hain, kalpana, do ustad, mohabbat zindagi hai, shrimaanji, 12’o clock, do dilon ki dastaan, taxi driver, jaane mehboob (shelved), dil tere hawaale (shelved) and the only NON-HINDI (Telugu) film neerajanam…apart from these i hv nayyar sahab’s the magic of Ashok Khosla (audio cassette), double album (LP’s) loves of Runa Laila and VCD of Nasihat…and also all other NOT rare category LP’s (CID, Naya Daur, Kashmir ki kali, ek musafir…, Phir wohi dil…, mere sanam, humsaya, kismet, Phagun, aarpaar, sambandh, ek baar muskura do, nishchay, zid etc.) i’m eagerly searching for the LP’s of CID-909, dil aur mohabbat,the killers, kahin din kahin raat…agar kisi ke paas ho to iss gharib ko daan kar dein, aajeewan RINI rahunga….ACD bana kar denge to bhi calega…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 10, 2007 @ 8:49 am |
I have some of the songs you are looking for (CID-909, dil aur mohabbat,the killers, kahin din kahin raat). Please email me.
Comment by VS — March 25, 2009 @ 10:31 pm |
Kaveetaaji,
Yes, thank you. I already did what you suggested for audio.
And, i think you are right about copyright also. I have all my video songs on DVDs. I am extracting/ripping/splitting or whatever you call the process from the DV disc to my PC through some software or other. It is about this software, I asked you about.If something free and reliable one is available. So far, I tried not less than 20, and I found everyone of them has some limitations. May be the one which gave my already uploaded songs is the best one even with water mark. If it is not too expensive for me, then, I will buy it and get the license.
I hope people dont mind that water mark, as you can still enjoy the picture.
so, actually, I am uploading from my Hard disc, what has already been ripped out of the original DVD.
Pl. reassure me I am not vexing you too much with my doubts and questions, in this learning phase.
Thank you once again.
Comment by cumrao — June 10, 2007 @ 10:25 am |
Warm welcome to you Shishir ji,
der aaye par durust aaye’
Your comments were interesting and informative to say the least. Since you seem to have been closely associated with OP ji your insight into his life will definitely be more authentic than what is available to us or rather made available to us.
If you read my post, I had quoted the source of this news in Mid Day, which appeared last year. One wishes that more efforts are made by the media to authenticise their reportings. but its like asking for the moon.
A few commenters previously, like Anu etc have spoken of what your averments are as well. I must confess though that I and a few others who have mailed me, have not quite understood what you meant by this ” i request everybody NOT to see his family members (his wife smt saroj mohini nayyar, son and 3 daughters)in B & W “..Would you care to clarify
We as his ardent admirers have ethically, morally concerned ourselves with his music, ever since his sad demise. A genius ought to be revered for his work, which is an embodiment of his soul. The peripherals are and should be left for the fringes. One hoes and prays fervently that he may be peaceful forever as also his family..
Your knowledge is invaluable and you will find so many gems who comment here also well versed in OPjis
compositions..
Regards
Kaveetaa
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 10, 2007 @ 2:57 pm |
Cumrao ji,
I will be only too glad to assist you in whatever manner I possibly can.. so please be rest assured 🙂
There is a programme known as ‘Nero’ which is most suited for your needs, if what I have gleaned is right..Its a software which can be downloaded easily. Have you tried at download.com?
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 10, 2007 @ 3:04 pm |
kaveetaji, till a few days back my 6 years old P3 computer was just a typewriter and a radio for me (as being a journalist i write on it & have one of the drives full of around 2500 old hindi songs)…but thanx to my teenaged son who compelled me to get a 24 hrs NET connection which opened a new world to me…. as far as nayyar sahab is concerned, no doubt he was a great composer but simultaneously he was a human being also who had many weaknesses. i am in constant touch with composer Jaidev Kumar who recently composed music for Manmohan Singh’s Punjabi film and is closely related to nayyar family (OPN was his mausaji). after his demise, media projected his family as ‘villain’ who had ousted him from the posh flat but nobody knows that nayyar sahab wanted to sell that flat (worth in crores) and move away leaving behind his family on road. pati aur baap banna hi sub kuchh nahi hai, pati aur baap ka farz bhi poora karna chahiye…anyway he lost the court case…with and for whom he was playing this game is another story but the fact is, ‘that fellow’ also ditched him after he lost the case…it’s true that ‘chadhte sooraj ko sub salaam karte hain’…but another truth is ‘kaamyaabi insaan ko bhale-bure me farq karna bhula deti hai’….isliye unn logon ko to apna bana kar rakhna chahiye jinhein sooraj dhalne ke baad apna kaha ja sake…unfortunately nayyar sahab failed to do so…now i would like to tell the readers that i have met and interviewed almost all the artistes of B&W era, be it Nadira, Bina Rai, Manju, Kalyanibai, Shyama, Promila, Kumkum, Tuntun or Snehal Bhatkar, Vanmala, Shamshad Begum (pl type Shishir Sharma columnist in google), sardar malik, Ravi, Sudha malhotra, Mubaraq begum, Sharda, mahipal, suman kalyanpur etc.etc….do you know Munavvar Sultana and Datta Dawjekar are still alive n i’v met n intrvwd them? guess who they are…rest in next mail…bye…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 10, 2007 @ 6:39 pm |
Shishir ji,
welcome, welcome, welcome. I really enjoyed reading your posts. As Kaveeta ji has said ‘der aaye durust aaye’ and also thanks to your son for introducing you to the net. We would have not have had the opportunity to meet you here. Please consider Sachiniti like your home, like most of us do.Please keep writing here often..Thanks.
Comment by Krishnan — June 10, 2007 @ 6:52 pm |
hi krishnan ji…am really enjoying this new world…being a part of film world n a film historian i hv closely seen the darkness behind the glitterings…hv bn witness to the frustrations of retired n long forgotten artistes…am associated as freelancer with sahara group, hv traced n intrvwd many such artistes in my columns ‘kya bhooloon kya yaad karoon’ n ‘log’ published in weekly sahara samay (hindi), traced out Shamshad begumji who had mistakenly been declared dead by media on 10th August 1998 but is still alive n is in mumbai only (front page news Dainik jagran dtd 12.10.04 n Asian Age dtd 13.10.04)…hv covered many studios e.g. b’bay talkies, filmistan, filmalaya, wadia movietone, basant pictures, rajkamal, ranjit etc)…wo zamana hi kuchh aur raha hoga… though i was born when cinema was getting coloured yet i’v a passion for B&W era…i would be happy to share my experiences with ‘schiniti’ family…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 10, 2007 @ 7:23 pm |
Shishir saheb,
Please do share with us anything you feel like. It would be really good. Shamshad ji..how is she and where is she?.
Comment by niloufer — June 10, 2007 @ 10:57 pm |
hi niloufer…shamshadji is in mumbai only living a content life…is residing in a posh locality at Powai Andheri (East) with her daughter and son in law Lt.Col.(Retd.) and a granddaughter…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 10, 2007 @ 11:13 pm |
on 29th of May two legends of hindi n marathi cinema departed from us…Vanmala n Snehal Bhatkar…Vanmala started her career with Marathi film LAPANDHAV (1940). Then she played main lead RUKHSANA in Sohrab Modi’s Sikandar(1941) opposite Prithviraj Kapoor…she did 22 hindi n 10 marathi films…her last film was the FIRST PRESIDENT AWARD winner Shyamchi aayi (1953,in which she played the title role n was also the co-producer of that film) n then she took ‘sanyaas’ and started living in Mathura…. Music Dir.Snehal Bhatkar started his career with Rukmini swayamvar (hindi/1946)under the sangeetkar-jodi named vasudev-sudhir(his actual name was vasudev bhatkar n sudhir was the ‘jyoti kalash chhalke’ famed sudhir fadke) but that proved to be the first n last film of this duo…then snehal did Kidar Sharma’s neelkamal (1947) independently with the name B.Vasudev…coincidently Raj Kapoor n Madhubala also started their resp. careers in main lead with Neel Kamal only n Snehal also gave playback for Raj in this film…Mukesh also sang 3 duets (one with hamida bano, 2 with zohrabai ambalewali) in this film BUT not for Raj but for another artiste Pesi Patel…snehal may be a lesser known M.D. but can we ever forget his ‘lehron pe leher ulfat hai jawan’, ‘ai mere humsafar rok apni nazar (sung by Nutan)’, ‘sochta hoon mai ye kya kiya maine’, ‘wo dekho dekho dekh raha hai papiha’ n above all ‘kabhi tanhaaiyon me yun hamari yaad aayegi’????…I once again ask my friends if anybody knows who is DATTA DAWJEKAR….?
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 11, 2007 @ 8:31 am |
Shishir ji, the ‘bhav geet’ category that these two Snehal Bhatkar and Sudhir Phadke epitomised has so been soothing to many a music lovers ears.’Jyoti kalash chalke’ remains a favourite..and so does ‘leheron pe leher’It is sad that these two then limited themselves to Marathi films..or maybe were compelled to do so.
Datta dawjekar was a music director who was accomplished ..I read of it somewhere. Correct me please.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 11, 2007 @ 11:02 am |
lata’s first film as plaback singer was ‘aap ki sewa mein (1947)’…the very first song she recorded was a thumri ‘paa lagoon kar jori re shyam na khelo mo se hori’, penned by late mahipal (navrang fame) who was not only an actor but also a very good poet…this song was picturised on Rohini Bhate n the music director was Datta Dawjekar. in other words v cn say that today’s lata was introduced to the hindi cinema OR given first chance by DD only who gave music in 2 more hindi films (adalat/1948 n golkunda ka qaidi/1954)…anuradha poudwal was also introduced by DD n the film was a marathi one, ‘yashoda (1974)’n the song was ‘ghumla hridayi ninaad ha’…we r fortunate that 90 years old DD is still in good health n is residing in 4 bunglows area….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 11, 2007 @ 12:33 pm |
Shishir Sharma ji,
Your information is first hand and most valuable. It will be very interesting to know how these legends cope with not being in the limelight anymore after having spent an illustrious life. Do share gems from your experience. It will make great reading and a lesson in ‘life’ and its ups and downs.
Most eagerly awaiting your posts.
Comment by Nitin Bahl — June 11, 2007 @ 12:45 pm |
hi nitinji…during last 4 years i’v met n intrvwd almost all such artistes (except manorama n shakila who r not ready to gv any intrvw) and got 2 pix with each of them clicked for my record…(for Bina Rai n Ameeta’s intrvws u cn log on to ‘jagran.com’ n then click ‘yaadein’in the left side column)…though i’ll keep on sharing my experiences with sachiniti fellows yet for detailed articles pl wait for my book ‘packup ke baad’ which is supposed to come in market by mid 2008…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 11, 2007 @ 1:05 pm |
Can anybody give me information on yesteryear actress Shakila…I believe she was one of the most gorgeous actresses to grace the Indian Film Industry…but she disappeared after her last film…what is she doing nowadays?
Comment by Bibhash — March 30, 2009 @ 10:58 pm |
Kaveetaaji,
Thank you for your willingness to help.
Nero doesnt serve my purpose, as it is used for recording on Various CDs and DV discs, from your PC, or other sources. I do have Full versions of Nero, and Roxio, which came to me from OEM. No problem with them. But they can only “burn” on to discs the content , be it documents, audios or videos.
My requirement is to “cut”/split/chop, all meaning the same, a particular video file, containing many songs or a movie,and extract individual songs from the file. We want such individual songs for posting in vodpod or Sachiniti. no?
I havnt yet found a suitable free software so far. still searching.
Comment by cumrao — June 11, 2007 @ 7:04 pm |
More on Howrah Bridge
My friends in #406/409/410. One cannot possibly complete any discussion on the musical score of Howrah Bridge without comments on the flowing Asha number “Ye Kya Kar Dala Tu Ne…” which is a listener’s delight. Actually,out of the 8 songs on the sound track, this is perhaps one song in that OP trademark beat and the inimitable orchestration. Interestingly, the lyrics of this song are penned by Hasrat Jaipuri, a rarity for OP, as Hasrat was otherwise a key element of the S-J camp.
Some of the other films whose music is top notch but surprisingly not heard much and not written about either is 12 ‘O’ CLOCK for one. Another 7 gems there including the last song recorded by OP in Geeta’s voice, the duet with Rafi – Tum jo huay mere hamsafar rastey badal gaye. (OP mentioned to me that when Rafi picked up Geeta from her home for the recording, he realized that she was high. Yet thay made it to the recording studios somehow and it goes to the credit of Geeta that the song was recorded on the first take. She had memorized each word and did not have to look at the written text, despite the condition she was in. However, by then OP had decided that he was done with Geeta – a regret he harboured until his death. I also rate Kaheen Din Kaheen Raat very high. Mahendra Kapoor has sung very heartily for OP in this movie. But perhaps OP’s most under-rated film must be Love & Murder, which has some incredible songs. And oh, Naseehat…. Ankhonse ishaara kar ke hamein… Kabhi hamari mohabbat ka imtehaan na lo… mujh ko deewana na kar… Teri ankhon ne in ankhon se jo baat kahee….. Where does one stop? OP’s music continues to be like a waterfall (aabshaar) timeless.
OK folks… now here are some news items.
Quietly but surely an OP Nayyar Foundation has taken shape as a legal entity, based in Mumbai. Part of OPN continuing royalties from SaReGaMa will flow into it per his will. OPNF will provide financial assistance to struggling musicians. It will also have a place to house OPN’s memorabilia (and believe me there is more than the topee) in his personal possessions.
Please do check out Lokvani.com. Next weekend, I have organized an event called WHEN RHYTHM WAS KING (the title of my biography) in Boston in memory of the great man. If anyone lives in the USA, I would like to invite you to experience what we are hoping to be, an unforgettable evening. If anyone sends me an email at Khansaheb2@aol.com, I will be happy to even let you have a peek at the list of songs which the local singers are planning to perform.
( Ashraf —- you were supposed to be contacting me)
Kaveeta – aap ne apne saath is safar mein bohat se humsafar bana liye hein. Ye karvaan kahan ruke ga yeh to ilm naheen, magar safar pur lutf hota jaa raha hai. Yunhi saath saath chalen sada. Kabhi khatm apna safar na ho.
Take care
Siraj Khan
Khansaheb2@aol.com
Boston, USA
Comment by Siraj Khan — June 12, 2007 @ 7:51 am |
Shishir ji, that is indeed news that Datta jawdekar introduced lata Mangeshkar. I have also heard that Lata had composed music for films under the name of Anandbhan..is that right?
Cumrao ji,
Yes I get what you mean. as far as my knowledge goes, the eaiest way would be to download the songs individually from nero and store it , by copy pasting , on the hardware ( my computer) and then getting the url post it on youtube etc.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 12, 2007 @ 12:57 pm |
Siraj Ji,
The story behind “tum jo huye mere humsafar” and Geeta dutts ‘condition’ is saddening and amazing at once. What talent and then just downhill..I love the romanticism of that number. Geeta dutt perhaps had to pay the price for pining for her loved one to death..love is a strange entity. It makes you or mars you. Such versatility and yet so forlorn. A womans heart can bear a thousand brunts but cannot overcome pain of rejection I suppose.We all come into this world with our own unique tales to enact, tragedies are a zillion!!
Many felicitations for your concert and best wishes for its thundering success. Do share with all of us here the mood of that evening and the magic it created. I can well envision the ‘aabshhaar’ of Op jis tunes cascading into the hearts of the audience and ‘ruah ruah kaanp uthega’ presumably, with the haunting melodies evoking a flood of emotions! Kaash.. I could be there..I hope all the readers here from Boston will avail of this great opportunity.
Rahi baat iss karavan ki Sira ji to Majrooh ji ke aashaar yaad aa gaye
“”Main akela hi chala tha janibe-e-manzil magar
Log sath aate gaye aur karavan banta gaya”
Jub humsafar itne lajawaab hain to karavan bhi manzil bhi utni hi hasen hogi. Aap jaise connoisseurs and all the commenters here have filled my days with joy and anticipation , which I look forward to everyday.Through this O P ji’s memory will be alive forever..bass yunhi saath sath chalte rahen..Amen
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 12, 2007 @ 1:22 pm |
Actually Siraj saab you can web cast at Lokvani.com. If time matches we can watch it globally or otherwise you can post it at LOkvani.com. If you intend to do this , then wah wah to you from all of us, before web casting. Good luck and best wishes
About the Geeta Dutt story, one can say that sometimes gusse me aadmi kya nahi kaar patha hai.
Some become tough by failures.
Some broken hearted.
the latter is numerous
the former is rare
I have read this quote somewhere.
Comment by gajanan — June 12, 2007 @ 2:11 pm |
kaveetaji, lata was hardly 14 when she acted in marathi film ‘pahili mangalagaur’…then in ‘badi maa (hindi)…during those days she also composed some marathi film songs at bhalji pendharkar’s kolhapur based ‘jayaprabha studio’….but under the name ‘anandghan’ (NOT anandbhan)….many years later there were talks of her composing music for Rishikesh Mukerji’s ‘anand’ but things didn’t work out…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 12, 2007 @ 6:16 pm |
Shishir ji ..was Lata only 14 when she composed music? I researched on the net and found it not so. Anandghan she became when she was already a renowned singer..Shri O P Nayyar had enquired after hearing her songs as to ‘who is Anandghan?’
Please read this link
http://www.hamaraforums.com/lofiversion/index.php/t14432.html
So she was not that young at the time.
Comment by Krishnan — June 12, 2007 @ 7:27 pm |
I am quoting the relevant text in Lata jis words ‘
“After the movie was done, C. Ramchandra, O.P. Nayyar etc had come to Kolhapur to attend my sister’s wedding ceremony. C. Ramchandra asked me, “Lata, tell me one thing, who is this musician ‘Anandaghan’?†I replied, “May be someone, I do not know.†He then said, “Do not speak a lie, okay.†I said, “Why don’t you ask Datta Davjekar. He would tell you†I tried to avoid. But he kept on asking me. He said , “On listening to those compositions, I feel that someone who understands music well has done that work. It is not possible for any common person.†I said, “May be the person understands music. May be Bhalji Pendharkar knows about him.†Saying this, I slipped away from there.
After ‘Mohityanchi manjula’, I gave music for ‘Maratha tituka melavava’, but still my name was a secret. But after the release of ‘Saadhi manasa’, this secret came out. That movie was awarded around 8 state government awards. Director, story, music etc. The song ‘Airanichya deva tula’ got the song award. I accepted it. Then the award for music was declared, but I kept sitting. But someone had told the announcers that I myself had given the music. And the announcer requested that I should accept the award, but still I kept sitting. Then they announced that Latabai should come on to the stage, and Anandaghan was none other than Lata. Then I went and received the award. ……. I gave music for Bhalji Pendharkar’s ‘Tambdi maati’. That was my last music direction. I never had the interest in giving music to songs, but still once I had thought that myself and Hridaynath should together give music together, similar to Shankar-Jaikishan, I thought we could give it as ‘Lata-Hridaynath’. But Hridaynath would not have liked it, so I just dropped the idea…. But I had felt that way.”
If Asha bhonsle was getting married.. how old was Lata? And she said she wanted Hridayanaths help.. so he too was older.
Comment by Krishnan — June 12, 2007 @ 7:31 pm |
Some more information kaveetaaji..yes you were right.. this is the cd of Lata jis songs.
“Sakaal papers trust and hmv-saregama brought out whole collection of lata mangeshkar’s (anandghan) songs two years ago.
the cd is named as ” lata mangeshkar-the composer”
Comment by Krishnan — June 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm |
krishnanji, what i said is,lata was hardly 14 when she acted in pahili mangalagaur…i don’t say she composed….in 1947 at the age of 18
she started her career in playback…here i give a quote from ‘sands of time’ Oct’92, compiled n translated by preeti shah n niranjan iyengar n based on harish bhimani’s biography of lata, ‘saat suron ke saath’ – ‘i
used to once compose music under an alias ‘anandghan’. it happened quite accidentally. when the selected composer didn’t report bhalji pendharkar panicked and came running to me. i impulsively said ‘what’s so difficult about composing music? i’ll do it! and thus i was drawn into it…’ here i wud like to add that bhalji’s studio had been burnt n shut and being an RSS worker he was sent to jail after Gandhi’s assessination in 1948(as per Sulochnaji who started her career at jayaprabha studio only)….secondly i don’t remember if lata (anandghan) had composed for any hindi movie…jahan tak sawaal hai marathi films ka to unke baare me meri jaankaari masha-allah hai…anyway i’ll try to findout the facts n the list of her films as composer…pl do correct me if u get any such information…thnx…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 12, 2007 @ 8:16 pm |
i’ll be obliged if anybody sends the list of films with music composed by anandghan (i.e.lata) alongwith years of release…information placed on NET can’t be called reliable as the list of films by Mr.O.P.Nayyar shows ‘jai bhawani'(2000) as his last film whereas the music of this film was composed by Priyesh Vakil…similarly Naushad’s filmography contains nagma, baradari, char chand, darwaza etc. all the films with music by NASHAD (not Naushad) on net…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 12, 2007 @ 10:54 pm |
Siraj Sahib.
Refer your post # 435. It is so heartening to hear about “OP Nayyar Foundation”. It is wonderful to know that you are arranging an event in Boston ,”WHEN RHYTHM WAS KING”. I wish I can take some time out to be there on that evening; I am not sure though. I tried to call you on your cell just now but couldn’t get your number, the bell kept ringing though. I will try to call you again, later. I am going to reach you through your email as well.
Kaveetaji.
Sachiniti, has become such an interesting phenomenon to learn so many new things about OPN an others. It is a MUST-READ before going to bed. We are now addicted to Sachiniti, lol.
Comment by Ashraft — June 13, 2007 @ 12:37 am |
ashraft saab,
aapki zarra nawaazi hai..
yeh dilwaalon ki mehfil hai,jisse dilwaale hi parakh sakte hain.
Regards
Kaveetaa
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 13, 2007 @ 11:44 am |
Shishir ji,
The link I have provided in #440 is a direct quote of Lata mangeshkar…so we can be quite sure of its authenticity. Also the cd of her songs is available. though let me make it clear here like Arun Bajaj and Vinod aggarwal i am not anymore a great fan of her voice or her nature from what one gets to hear.
Comment by Krishnan — June 13, 2007 @ 12:36 pm |
Siraj saab,
I agree with gajanan. Is there some way that you can post clippings on youtube? kaveetaaji can post it here on the vodpod for us the. this way we can all have a glimpse. please take the trouble ..i know it may be difficult..
Comment by niloufer — June 13, 2007 @ 12:48 pm |
For the fans of OPN, Geetha and Guru Dutt, I have posted 2 gems of songs from the old Film Baaz starring Guru Dutt and Geetha bali. I hope I am not wrong in thinking that it was Guru duttproductions first venture. Pl correct me if I am wrong.
Comment by cumrao — June 13, 2007 @ 7:52 pm |
Oh, I am terribly sorry. The male voice in “Mujhe dekho hasrat” is Talat’s, not Rafi’s
Comment by cumrao — June 13, 2007 @ 7:57 pm |
CumraoJi.
Songs of the movie “BAAZ” posted by you are so nice to hear. I would appreciate if you can add another song from the same film …”Zara samne Aa”…. by Geeta. I love this song
Comment by Ashraft — June 15, 2007 @ 7:42 am |
ever heard ‘tere hum o sanam too jahan mai wahan…sooraj too zarra mai too kahan mai kahan’ (Rafi, Lata)? cn anybody pl tell me which film is this? i hv thi duet in an MP3 cd but without mention of the film, Music dir. n lyricist?
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 15, 2007 @ 12:33 pm |
ever heard ‘tere hum o sanam too jahan mai wahan…sooraj too zarra mai too kahan mai kahan’ (Rafi, Lata)? cn anybody pl tell me which film is this? i hv thi duet in an MP3 cd but without mention of the film, Music dir. n lyricist…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 15, 2007 @ 12:34 pm |
Shishir ji, I have not heard of this song..must be really a rare number.
I was wanting to Know what has happened to Jaidev another music composer who had immense talent. His songs from reshma aur shera like ‘piya tum ho sagar main pyaasi nadi hoon’ and ‘tu chanda main chaandni’..they are so soothing and melodious.
Comment by niloufer — June 15, 2007 @ 6:23 pm |
nilouferji, jaidevji died long back in mid 80’s…as he was unmarried n no other relative of his is tracable, i could not write about him…but i’ll definitely tell you more after confirming the facts i know about him…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 15, 2007 @ 6:41 pm |
gajananji, thank u v much for introducing us to ‘bhagambhag site'(vide cmmnt no. 412)…as u know i’m ‘late lateef’, am going thru the posts slowly n steadily…i’v downloaded all these rare songs n got a cd burned for my collection…i’v failed to get (complete s.track of) nayyar sahab’s these films -aasmaan, baaz, chham chhama chham, mangu, mehbooba, miss coca cola, musafirkhana, sabse bada rupaiya, dhake ki malmal, mr.lambu, smt.420, bade sarkar, duniya rang rangili, johny walker, qaidi, ustad, farishta, kabhi andhera kabhi ujala, mr.cartoon m.a., mujrim, basant, jaali note, mitti me sona, love n murder, cid909, nasihat, dil aur mohabbat, kahin din kahin raat,the killers, mangni…though i’v one or two songs of most of these films…pl do inform the sites, if any, from whr i could download these s.tracks as i did ‘bhagambhag'(though one song, asha’s ‘ye duniya faani hai’ is missing in this site)….i’ll be obliged gajananji…thanks…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 16, 2007 @ 10:45 am |
Shishirji,
Regarding your query about “Tere hum o sanam”……this song is composed by “laayak baap of bigda hua beta……you know whom…Sardar malick. Suman is with rafi and the name of the film is “Bachpan”. There is another solo of Rafi in this film….”Mujhe tumse mohabbat hai magar main keh nahin sakta”…both are quality compositions.
Comment by arun bajaj — June 16, 2007 @ 11:19 am |
thnx arunji…ek zamaane se iss sawaal ke jawaab ki khoj me tha…agar aap malik sahab ka naam na bhi bataate to bhi ‘laayak baap of bigda hua beta’ apne aap me sub keh deta…ha…ha…ha…bazigar o bazigar (kaun hai jo sapno me aya)…ai mere humsafar ai meri jaane jaan (khoobsoorat hasina jaane jaan jaane man) aur aur bhi bahut kuchh…malik sahab ki tadap aur bechargi bahut kareeb se dekhe hain maine…kis tarah unke career ko paleeta lagaya gaya…do diggajon ki ladai me pis gaye they bechare…unke saath bhi wohi hua (saranga jaisi hit ke baad) jo 1973 ke baad nayyar sahab ke saath hua tha…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 16, 2007 @ 11:52 am |
mujhe tumse mohabbat hai magar main keh nahin sakta
magar main kya karoon bolen bina bhi reh nahin sakta
Beautiful..so melodious. I didnt know it was sardar malik..Such timeless compositions.Even the songs of ‘saranga’ like you mentioned Shishir ji, were lovely.. especially the title song. I wonder why he failed to get his share of fame after that. Aaj kal ke composers in ke joote laayak bhi nahin.
Comment by niloufer — June 16, 2007 @ 11:58 am |
Anu malik is nowhere close to his father but i think his songs in Umrao jaan and phir teri kahani Yaad ayee were good.
Comment by niloufer — June 16, 2007 @ 12:08 pm |
Thank you ashraftji for yr apreciation of the 2 Baaz songs, which , in my opinion are the best in the film. but, I have all the songs of Baaz songs in video. I have the song which you asked for and will post it today.
Comment by cumrao — June 16, 2007 @ 12:51 pm |
nilouferji,
not only ‘saranga’,u must hv also hrd malik sahab’s ‘mai gareebon ka dil hun watan ki zubaan (aab-e-hayat), ai ghame dil kya karoon (thokar), chal diya kaarvaan (laila majnu/co-MD ghulam mohd.), chanda se pyare rajdulare (aulaad), bahaaron se poochho (mera ghar mere bachche…60’s me unke naam se recording studios milna band ho gaya tha which was the only n worst setback to his career…n the reason?…(though he didn’t tell me anything clearly as according to him this would adversely affect his son’s career)…once he was recording a song with ‘the greatest lady singer of the universe’…lyricist was the ‘blunt’ sahir sahab…when singer asked him to change one word of the song, sahir said ‘likhna parhna parhe-likhon ka kaam hai…’ (words may be different but this was what he meant)…hurt, she instantly left the recording room…though she kept on working with sahir sahab afterwards, yet ‘gusse ki gaaz giri malik sahab par ki sahir ki baat par wo khamosh kyon rahey’…this is what i’v come to know from many seniors of industry….as far as anu is concerned, he is a very good ‘nakalchi’ and the biggest fan of SJ’s compositions…as far as his original compositions are concerned, i think he uses his father’s unused creations…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 16, 2007 @ 12:56 pm |
Sardar Mallik: apart from Saranga, I have a few more gems of his. Mai gareebonka dil of Abe hayat, Chalta rahe yeh-Lata-chor baazaar, Tere darpe aaya hun by Talat from the same.
While recalling for the nostalgia pl dont forget Sajjad Hussain of Sangdil fame. dilme samaagaye by lata and talat and Darshan pyasi by Geetha from that film are timeless tunes. I want to confirm from my knowledgeable friends here if Rustom sohraab has also Sajjad Hussain’s music? Hulchul and Saiyyaan are also his I think.
Comment by cumrao — June 16, 2007 @ 1:05 pm |
ji cumraoji…Rustom Sohrab (1963) was sajjad’s (ye kaisi ajab dastaan ho gayi hai/suraiya, aye dilruba nazren mila/lata)… apart from sajjad, hulchul(1951)had one more MD(mohd.shafi)n saiyan (1951) was again sajjad’s solo…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 16, 2007 @ 1:20 pm |
Speaking of father son legacies, I began questioning myself and found so few. There is S.D. Burman the great and his equally legendary son R.D. There is Roshan and Rajesh Roshan who is not of the same standard as his father, much like Anu and sardar malik. Apart from these I cant think of any more..any ideas?
Comment by Krishnan — June 16, 2007 @ 3:48 pm |
Thank you Shishirji for the info.
Comment by cumrao — June 16, 2007 @ 7:07 pm |
Ae Dil ae Deewane is one of my favourite songs and having seen it for the first time on the video, it sounds and feels even better. Both the Geetas ( Geeta Bali and Geeta Dutt) have blended their amazing talents. Thanks for posting it here
Siraj
Comment by Siraj Khan — June 16, 2007 @ 7:57 pm |
krishnanji, here are some more (not only father-son but others also)…
chitragupt – anand-milind (sons)
Pt.Amarnath’s – husnlal-bhagatram (bros)
jamaal sen – dilip sen sameer sen (brother-son)
kalyanji – viju shah (son)
khemchand prakash – basant prakash (bro)
khemchand prakash – triveniji (of triveni-bhawani duo) (daughter’s son)
pyarelal – ganesh (bro)
pyarelal – naresh sharma (bro)
naresh sharma – mithun sharma (son)
shrawan – sanjeev darshan (sons)
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 16, 2007 @ 8:02 pm |
Kavita ,
I live in Delhi and am one of the greatest fan of O P Nayyar. I am planning to organise a O P Nayyar nite in January the month of his birth and death.
I will be happy if all his fans could join me in making this event a success.
I have a good collection of songs and would like to have as a part of my collection all that he ever created.In case you have some of his rare numbers please post them on the site.
Sangeeta Saxena
Comment by Sangeeta Saxena — June 16, 2007 @ 8:43 pm |
Sangeetaji,
I have also been suggesting that we post here songs requested by OPN fans. I have a good collection incl some rares, but not at all exhaustive. I love to get the songs I dont have.
I request Kaveethaji to let sachniti be a all-in-one source of OPN material and his great creations, subdivided into categories.
I also request all our friends who have a regard for Nayyar, to pl. post into Sachniti, by uploading songs to vodpod and add to O.P.Nayyar’s audio.
If any one has songs of Johny Walker film, I reqest them to post. I just could get only one song “Thandi thandi hawa”. All songs of that film are great favourites to me.
Comment by cumrao — June 17, 2007 @ 8:50 am |
Shishirji, your knowledge is really very laudable. I have too little knowledge to add to your list.
But the name of Basant Prakash revived in me a memory of something. Is not the song “AAjane wafa” by Geetha in Filmistan’s Anarkali, composed by Basant Prakash? That single song in the film, though all others were by C.Ramchandra. I still wonder why Ramchandra did so.
Comment by cumrao — June 17, 2007 @ 9:01 am |
Nilouferji,
As I said in my post no. 470, We can all post video or audio songs in sachniti, if Kaveethaaji permits. She has shown the way, and thanks to her, I succeded in posting both audio and video, as you can see.
Posting here is not the main difficulty.
One of the problem with many people is that they have most of their audios in cassettes. Most of the working people do not have time to select a particular song, digitize(to mp3 or wav or other formats) and transfer it to PC,(which is necessary before you can post it).
Believe me it took me nearly 3 yrs and countless no. of hrs to do that for about 9000 songs(of many genres). Ofcourse, i too could not spend the whole day on this work, as i have many activities, though retired.
Comment by cumrao — June 17, 2007 @ 9:36 am |
ji cumraoji…anarkali’s only song composed by basant prakash was ‘aa jane wafa…’. according to naushad sahab, this film was first offered to him but he denied because he had already signed mughle azam on the same subject… other ‘filmistan’s’ films basant prakash did were ‘badnaan (balraj sahni, shyama/rlsd on 30.05.52), ‘shrimatiji (nasir khan, shyama/shyama’s 1st film signed in main lead,rlsd on 07.08.52/other MD’s of this film were jimmi n s.mohinder)n ‘hum kahan ja rahe hain’ (prakash, nina/rlsd in 1966)…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 17, 2007 @ 11:09 am |
Shishirji,
I want to mention two timeless compositions of Sardar Malick…..one is from ‘CHOR-BAZAR’apart from ‘Chalta rahe ye carvan’…..’Hui ye hamse naadani teri mehfil mein aa baithe’ sung by the ‘greatest lady singer of the universe’and the other from ‘Mera ghar mere bachhe’…..’Wohi udi-udi ghatayein hain ek tum nahin ho to kuch nahin’ sung by MUKESH. And for mr. cumrao (POST 470) I have to say that heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard are sweeter…..”sab gaane agar aap sun lengein to phir sunnane mein koi kashish nahin reh jaayegi.”
Comment by arun bajaj — June 17, 2007 @ 11:28 am |
arunji…there could be another milestone in malik sahab’s name…for vinod desai’s film ‘nag-nandini’ he recorded a song ‘chandan sa badan chehra gulaab’ in mukesh’s voice (lyrics by anjaan) but the film was never made… but the same ‘tune’ came in matket and became a big hit but his name was nowhere now. he fought for his rights but the concerned ‘associations’ did nothing in his favour as, according to him, he was a ‘chhota mausekaar’ already fighting against the odds n badluck… n that big hit was ‘chandan sa badan chanchal chitwan’ from the film ‘saraswatichandra’…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 17, 2007 @ 11:57 am |
‘Chandan sa badan’ from saraswati chandra..that was a plagiarised version? Disturbing. The MD was Laxmi pyare..right?
Comment by Krishnan — June 17, 2007 @ 12:03 pm |
no…it was Kalyanji Anandji….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 17, 2007 @ 12:06 pm |
he bhagwaan, kahan phansa diya iss 24 hrs. net ne…na nahaane ka hosh na khaane ka…buss computer ke saamne baithe raho iss ummeed me ki ab koi post ayee…ye nasha to uss se bhi bura hai jisne dj aqeel ko dubai me atka diya tha…koi ‘nashamukti kendra’ ka pata batayega pleeeeeeease?
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 17, 2007 @ 12:59 pm |
Kalyanjis son Viju Shah gave some memorable songs in Gupt.. but after that has disappeared. Why is it that sons have rarely carried on the proud legacy of their fathers? except for Rd and to some extent Anu malik and Anand Milind.. the others have not been able to do much. They lack the killer instinct..the need to prove something.
Comment by Krishnan — June 17, 2007 @ 1:02 pm |
Lol shishir ji.. sahi kaha aapne.. Yeh nasha peechcha nahin chhodta..But it provides you a world like kishore kumar sang..’Jahaan gham bhi na ho aansoi bhi na ho bas pyar hi pyar pale.. ikk aise gagan ke tale’..Thanks to sachiniti..hamara toh din zyaada yehin kat ta hai…LOl
Comment by Krishnan — June 17, 2007 @ 1:06 pm |
right u r krishnanji…often v hear, ‘har aadmi ke andar ek bachcha hota hai’, so hw cn i b an exeption? here v r always indulged in serious talks…i personally feel, after certain intervals v must try to break the monotony to maintain the warmth n energy…n what i did is the best way for me to do so, though some may find it awkward…anyway, there is a saying in hindi, ‘vat-vriksha ke neeche paudha nahin panapta’ (vegetation can’t survive beneath the banyan tree)…same with these MD’s…i think father’s personality n aura, people’s expectations n children’s carefree lifestyle (since everything is easily available to them) are the main reasons why they lag behind…n nw here is a news…many insiders hv told me that o.p.nayyar sahab’s family living a ‘so called luxurious life’ sells homemade cakes for survival n none of his children (though all 4 in their late 40’s n 50’s) are still unmarried…all my attempts to meet them n confirm this hv gone futile… anyway, mai bhi haar nahin manoonga….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 17, 2007 @ 2:24 pm |
comment 481…cut-paste ki gadbad…pl read the line reg nayyar sahab’s family as… aii his children are unmarried OR none of his children is married…thnx
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 17, 2007 @ 2:28 pm |
Shishir ji, your andar ka bachcha is the same as ours. It is right, we dont have to be serious all the time. Kuch khatta kuch meetha hona chahiye. We should be able to talk of anything concerning music and our experiences with it. And about the ‘nasha’ i think all of us here are facing this addiction. my family is so used to seeing me hours before the computer that when I dont my children ask me ‘ aaj strike hai kya site pae’? LOl
It will be so nice if you could get us information on OPjis family.So sad to hear their struggle. They must speak of their side also. I think in order to maintain a dignity they dont want to. Up to them.
Comment by niloufer — June 17, 2007 @ 3:31 pm |
nilouferji…ur cmmnt no.454 reg jaidevji… as i said earlier he was a bachelor and none of his relatives is tracable…i spoke to many seniors of film fraternity….according to them jaidevji lived in a rented accomodation n his last days wete full of struggle as the land lady had ousted him…u mentioned ‘reshma aur shera’…here are some more gems…raat bhi hai kuchh bheegi bheegi (mujhe jeene do)/ dil jawan hai arzoo jawan (samandari daku)/ ye dil aur unki nigaahon ke saaye (prem parvat)/ peetal ki mori gaagri (do boond paani)/ aapki yaad aati rahi (gaman)/ all songs of gharonda, dooriyan, hum dono n aalaap aur aur bhi bahut se….he started his career as a child artist in ‘wadia movietone’s – veer bharat, waaman avtaar, kaala gulaab (all 1934), hunterwali (1935)n miss frontiermail (1936)…in music joined ali akbar khan as asstt. in chetan anand’s aandhiyaan (1952) n humsafar (1953) n then joined S D Burman in taxi driver (1954)…became MD in chetan anand’s ‘joru ka bhai (1955)…his family was originally from ludhiana (punjab)…he was born in nairobi (kenya) on 03.08.18 n died in m’bai on 06.01.87….mere khyaal se itna kaafi hai…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 17, 2007 @ 5:39 pm |
mr. curao,
regarding OPN’S selection of his ten favourite songs …..what do you think of it? Don’t you think his selection of “aana hai to aa” from Naya Daur could have been more appropriately substituted by another song say “ude jab jab zulfein teri or “saathi haath badhana” , the style which he had created for himself and for which he was known for? It is really amazing that not a single tune from films like ‘phagun’, cid, ‘tumsa nahin dekha’, ‘ek musafir ek haseena’ have been included in his list……i can’t believe this.
Lata had chosen her ten best songs four decades ago and one could see how pathetic she was in her selection…..not a single creation by Husnlal-Bhagatram, Shankar-Jaikishan, C. Ramchandra, Anil Biswas, SD Burman…not even Vasant Desai, SN Tripathi, Chitragupta and Kalyanji-Anandji. Actually for that matter singers do not have the required competence to judge the quality of the tune because they are merely the instrument in the hands of music-directors who are the real creators. One cannot say the same thing about music-directors but so far OPN is concerned, (with all due respect to him) i don’t think he has justified himself in picking up his ten best tunes.
Comment by arun bajaj — June 17, 2007 @ 7:13 pm |
Hi Sangeeta,
Must congratulate you on your decision to commemorate Nayyar ji. If you go through the comments her you will discover a treasure trove of invaluable information which will prove greatly advantageous to you. We are concerned and involved in posting as many songs as possible, the logistics however are challenging.
Shishir ji,
Ab nashe se rihaaee hum khud paa nahin sakte
aur hosh me rehne ki dawa aapko dilla nahin sakte 🙂
Cumrao ji,
At the risk of reiteration dear friend, please post as and when you so desire. This site is as much yours and other friends here, as mine. Please let me know what other category you would like to incorporate on the vodpod..I shall do the same.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 17, 2007 @ 8:03 pm |
arunji it’s really v v difficult to select a few ‘the best’ when each n every song is a gem…still looking at the standard of lyrics n music arrangement, my personal choice is…
1. haath aaya hai jab se (dil aur mohabbat)
2. raaton ko chori chori (mohabbat zindagi hai)
3. roka kai baar maine (mere sanam)
4. nadi ka kinara ho (CID 909)
5. ye machalta samaa (do dilon ki dastaan)
6. mai pyaar ka raahi hoon (ek musafir…)
7. ye dil lekar nazrana (ek baar muskura do)
8. aaj koi pyaar se (saawan ki ghata)
9. huzoore wala (ye raat phir na aayegi)
10.ek too hai piya (pran jaye par…)
n the reason is, 60’s onwards he started using different instruments n those too differently… otherwise in 50’s wohi mandolin, wohi clarinet n wohi flute…gine-chune instruments, sabhi dhunein ek jaisi lagti theen…(koi poochhe ya na poochhe maine to apni pasand bata di)
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 17, 2007 @ 9:29 pm |
Folks,
Last night’s event “On a musical journey with OP NAYYAR” held to pay tribute to the great man and his music, held in Boston Masscusetts, USA was a blast –
a great effort considering it was all local talent.
Also check out http://www.lokvani.com
Comment by Siraj Khan — June 18, 2007 @ 1:15 am |
Siraj Ji,
On the link at Lokvani there is an interview with you. But I did not find anything about your programme.
Shishir ji ..your list is interesting..I dont think most of these were mentioned here before. But as for being his best.. I dont know.
Comment by Krishnan — June 18, 2007 @ 11:35 am |
krishnan ji…this is my personal choice n others may differ but hw cn one choose cartain ‘the best’ among all ‘the bests’? vaise op’s many other numbers are also my favourite…
1. bekasi had se jab (kalpana)
2. udhar tum haseen ho (mr. n mrs.55)
3. zulf lehrayi to (khoon ka badla khoon)
4. ghallu ghallu na (neerajanam)
5. mai miloongi tujhko (jaane mehboob)
6. dil jhoom rahe masti me (bin maa ke bachche)
7. honth hain tere (heera moti)
8. seene me agar dil hai (muqaddar ki baat)
9. ho jo hukum to meharbaan (hongkong)
10.o meri gori gori jaan (aisa bhi hota hai)
……….n so on
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 18, 2007 @ 12:08 pm |
Shishir ji, since I found your list ‘zara hat ke’ permit me to make a list of my favourites from yours.
1) raaton ko chori chori
2) roka kai baar
3) ek tu hai piya
4) udhar tum haseen ho
5) huzoore wala
6) aaj koi pyaar se
there are some which I have not been able to recognise.. so sorry. But yes to choose from such a collection is not easy.
There was a film called ‘ Dulhan ek raat ki’ which had some memorable songs.. “ek haseen shaam ko dil mera kho gaya’//Rafi. Was that madan mohan or op?
Comment by Krishnan — June 18, 2007 @ 3:06 pm |
Shishir Ji,
Can you plese upload the songs of “Mukaddar ki baat” ? Till then please give some information on songs of this film “Mukaddar ki baat” like ,
1. Year of release/recording
2. Singers
3. Lirics by :
regards,
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — June 18, 2007 @ 4:25 pm |
Thank you so much Shishir ji for giving me details on Jaidev ji. It is so sad to hear that he is no more. I have a whole collection of his songs and listen to them often. That song from Dooriyan’ Zindagi Zindagi mere ghar aana’ songs from Gaman , are wonderful.Those days the MD’s were inspired from classical music and other influences which were melodious. That is why almost all of them were so talented and gave memorable tunes. Today some are good but mostly lift from here and there and keen on giving hits. and making money anyhow. sometimes i wonder whether they are wrong or not. Like you said Jaidev ji died almost homeless and a pauper.If you cannot even get a decent living then what good this talent?
Comment by niloufer — June 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm |
krishnan ji…pl see my cmmnt no.420…i’v many rare numbers of OPN n most of my favourites come from these films only…(ab jaise highest played on radio is ‘hey neele gagan ke tale’ jise sun sun kar atleast mai to pak chuka hoon…(m.kapoor ka ‘hey….’ to aisa lagta hai ki wo kisi par attack karne ja rahe hon)…so whenever i want to listen ‘ravi’ i prefer ‘dil hi dil me le liya dil’from the film aaj ki awaaz)…same with OPN…i like his (or any other MD’s) ‘kam bajne waale’ songs…n i think inka rare hona hi is the reason jo aap inse waqif nahin hain…
‘dulhan ek raat ki’ was madan mohan…apart from ‘ek haseen sham ko’…this had 7 more songs…’kai din se jee hai bekal…’, ‘kisi ka kuchh kho gaya hai…’, ‘aapne apna banaya meharbani aapki…’, ‘maine rang li aaj chunariya…’, ‘o rajaji…’, ‘sapno me agar mere…’ n kabhi ayee haqeeqat… (n this film was shot at my hometown, dehradoon n i was just 4 that time)
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 18, 2007 @ 8:06 pm |
murty sahab…if u go thru cmmnt no. 424 u’ll cm to know how frndly l am with my cmptr…really i know nothing about it…still i’ll try to load the songs lekin pehle to seekhna padega….i hv an LP of ‘muqaddar ki baat’…this film was never released…LP (no.2392 424) was rlsd by MIL in 1983…lyrics by bimla khetan, indivar n noor ahmed noor/ total songs 8 – gori gori o gore jalim – m.kapoor/ kya ye mumkin hai – m.k., pushpa pagdhare/ piya tera pyar mai to – p.p./ hare krishna – m.k., p.p./ seene me agar dil hai – m.k./ sone me sugandh milayi gayi – m.k., p.p./ kaisi ye taaron bhari – p.p./ mere pyar ka faisla – m.k….murti sahab i’ll definitely try to learn hw to load the songs…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 18, 2007 @ 8:23 pm |
u r right niloferji…indian classical music is the soul of melody…50’s n 60’s is called the ‘golden era of film music’ only bkoz IC was the base of almost all the songs born during that period…as far as jaidevji is concerned i personally feel that he preferred folk than IC…(nadi naare na jao shyaam/ tu chanda mai chandni/ ye neer kahan se barse/ peetal ki mori gaagri n so on…though in alaap he used IC)…same with naushad sahab…if v c will find he also used north indian folk more than ic…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 18, 2007 @ 10:09 pm |
Thank you very much Shishirji for the information. Do you have any information on the following films of OPN ji which were never released ?
1. Shakshiyat
2. Subhanallah
3. Dil tere hawale
with regards,
G N Murty , Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — June 19, 2007 @ 10:16 am |
raaton ko chori chori…. bole mera
Will there be a composition like this anymore?
The soft music and the way OPN tuned in Asha’s voice, esp the Bhojpuri word ” Manva ke Bate” makes one say ” Thohar Man kyo patthar sa hoi gawa, Ashaji”
Comment by gajanan — June 19, 2007 @ 10:38 am |
ji murty sahab….op’s only 5 films fall under ‘shelved/unreleased’ category…
1. dil tere hawaale (7 songs/ originally titled
‘chaand si mehbooba’/audio not released/prod.jairami reddy)
2. ek gunaah aur sahi (2 songs/audio not released/prod-dir r.k.nayyar)
3. jawani ki raat (2 songs/audio not released/prod.s.h.bihari)
4. jaane mehboob (10 songs n verses/originally titled ‘subhan allah’/audio rlsd by music bank cassettes mfg.co./prod.b.r.patel, dir.shah alam)
5. muqaddar ki baat (8 songs/audio rlsd by MIL/ prod.bimla khetan, dir.kamal thakur)
sir, i don’t remember any of his films with the name ‘shakhsiyat’…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 19, 2007 @ 10:41 am |
hi friends…i think this blog is dedicated to mr.o.p.nayyar…though i don’t know much about mr.nayyar yet whatever i have is just little knowledge about his music…mr.nayyar is known as a music composer NOT what he was as a family man…i believe his music has given solace to crores of people in world, we, you and his family will not live forever but his ‘creations’ will remain immortal…so let’s appreciate his work which will keep on giving solace to coming generations…so far his weaknesses are concerned we all know that all human beings have some or the other weakness…but some of them work for the betterment of the society through their respective medium like mr.nayyar did with his music…
Comment by ajay rohilla — June 19, 2007 @ 10:56 am |
murty sahab…op has only 5 ‘unreleased’ films in his account n they r –
1. dil tere hawale/ originally named-chaand si mehbooba / 7 songs / prod. jairami reddy / audio – not rlsd
2. ek gunah aur sahi/ 2 songs/ prod.dir. r.k.nayyar/ audio – not rlsd
3. jawaani ki raat/ 2 songs/ prod. s.h.bihari/ audio – not rlsd
4. jaane mehboob/ originally named-subhan allah/ 10 songs n verses/ prod. b.r.patel dir.shah alam/ audio by music bank cassettes mfg.co.
5. muqaddar ki baat/ 8 songs/ prod. bimla khetan dir. kamal thakur/ audio by MIL
sir, sorry to say, i don’t remember any of his films with the name ‘shakhsiyat’…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 19, 2007 @ 11:17 am |
chaand raaton ko nikle na nikle,
din me sooraj na chmake to kya hai,
apne chhote se ghar me ujala ab sada ke liye ho gaya hai……………………………..
har ghadi har samy muskurata hua phool sa bachpana meri baahon me ho,
laal mera bada hoke jaaye jahan kaamyaabi sada iski rahon me ho,
door hardam rahein gham ke ssaye ye hamesha hi meri dua hai…. (film ‘aisa bhi hota hai’)
….kaash ke asal zindagi me bhi aisa ho paata gajananji (kshamayaachna sahit)…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 19, 2007 @ 12:17 pm |
Once again thank you Shishir Ji for the information. OPji has signed two more telugu films 1. Premayatra and 2. Andala putallo bhagyanagaram in early 90s. Mr R V Ramanamurthy was the producer for both the films. Do you have any idea ?
regards,
G N Murty , Rajahamundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — June 19, 2007 @ 1:37 pm |
As informed by Shishirji , OP ji’s some films were never released and total songs from these unreleased films would be around 20. Millions of OP fans and music lovers are deprived off from listening to some of his immortal tunes. If some producer / director like Yash Chopra , BR Chopra or anyone from new generation could come forward and utilise these songs in any of their new films the way Mr Yash Chopra did in 2004 by using Late Madan Mohan’s tunes in his film “Veer-Jaara”. It would definitely be a true tribute to the maestro.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — June 19, 2007 @ 1:55 pm |
no sir…he might hv just signed these films but i don’t think would hv recorded a single song for these…had he recorded, must hv come on record….i remember, when i met him in mussoorie in 1988, he had come directly from hyderabad after recording neerajanam’s songs n at that time he had told me that film’s name was yet to be finalised n i think the other name he told was premyatra…it means neerajanam n premyatra is same….
with regards
shishir krishna sharma
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 19, 2007 @ 2:36 pm |
chand raton ko nilkle na nikle
din me sooraj na chamke to kya hai
apne chhote se ghar me ujaala
ab sada ke liye ho gaya hai……..
har ghadi har samay muskurata hua
phool sa bachpana meri baahon me ho
laal mera bada hoke jaye jahan
kaamyaabi sada uski raahon me ho
door har dam rahein gham ke saaye
ye hamesha hi meri dua hai
apne chhote………
(film – aisa bhi hota hai)
kaash ke yahan asal zindagi me bhi aisa ho pata gajanan sahab…..raha aapke sawaal ka jawaab to matlabparasti ki buniyaad par tikey huye rishton ka to hashra hi ye hota hai….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 19, 2007 @ 5:34 pm |
My choice of “ten bests of Nayyar”. It is really very difficult to chose only ten. They keep on changing with your mood and, how recently you heard it etc.
1. leke pehla pehla pyar-C.I.D.
2.Babuji dhire chalna-Aarpaar
3.Udhar tum haseen ho-Mr.Mrs.
4. Kajra mohobbat
5.Jhuka jhuka hai-Mukhesh-Geeetha-Miss coca cola
6.Haath aaya hain
7.Bahut shukriya- Ek musafir
8. Antam phantam-Hum sub chor hain
9. Badi mushkilse-humsaaya
10. Tumhara chanewala-Kahi din kahin raat.
I myself feel the above list is absaolutely inadequate to do just justice to “Sangeetka jaadugar”. so many others seem to be shouting in my ears “what about me. how canyou leave me, having liked me so much in your your youth?” no, we must have a longer list to accomodate at least 50 I think.
Comment by cumrao — June 19, 2007 @ 7:17 pm |
Arunji,
you are right about OP’s selection. I too was surprised. Even at the Filmfare award function for Naya Daur, it was Sarpar topi, that was played.
The only glimpse into his mind i can think of is that he had an admiration for Naushad, and perhaps he was proud that he could compose a song similar to that of so many Naushad-Rafi greats.
He did express admiration at various times to SDB and Naushad.
Comment by cumrao — June 19, 2007 @ 7:29 pm |
raaton ko chori cori…a beautitful, soothing well written n well composed song….but here is another….
chaand raaton ko nikle na nikle
din me sooraj na chmke to kya hai
apne chhote se ghar me ujala
ab sada ke liye ho gaya hai………..
har ghadi har samay, muskurata hua,
phool se bachpana meri baahon me ho
laal mera bada, hoke jaaye jahan,
kaamyabi sada iski raahon me ho
door hardam rahein gham ke saaye
ye hamesha hi meri dua hai
apne chhote se……
(film – aisa bhi hota hai/1971)
…..kaash ke asal zindagi me bhi aisa hota gajananji…raha aapke sawaal ka jawaab to matlab aur mauqaparasti ki buniyaad par tikey rishton ka hashra to hota hi ye hai….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 19, 2007 @ 9:36 pm |
i sent a post today around 11.30 am…resent the same in the afternoon…as there was a minor problem with the net today again sent the same at 9.45 pm after the problem was rectified… i’m surprised none of the three has come on blog yet….is it true that the posts can be censored?
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 19, 2007 @ 10:07 pm |
raaton ko chori chori…no doubt beautifully written…beautifully composed…so soothing…one of nayyar sahab’s best songs…n here is another one…
chaand raton ko nikle na nikle, din me sooraj na chamke to kya hai/apne chhote se ghar me ujaala, ab sada ke liye ho gaya hai….har ghadi har samay, muskurata hua, phool sa bachpana meri baahon me ho/laal mera bada, hoke jaaye jahan, kaamyabi sada uski raahon me ho/door hardam rahein gham ke saaye, ye hamesha hi meri dua hai/ apne chhote se…
(film-aisa bhi hota hai/1971)
kaash ke asal zindagi me bhi aisa hota gajananji…raha aapke sawaal(#498)ka jawaab to matlab aur mauqaparasti ki buniyaad par tikey rishton ka hashra yahi hota hai…remember RDB’s career shot up after ‘hare rama hare krishna(1971)………(#506/this is my 4th attempt)
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 20, 2007 @ 10:31 am |
Shishir ji, there is no censorship on the blog. Sometimes a delay occurs through WordPress servers , at other times a comment accidentally goes in to the spam category, as yours may have gone presumably. I found two, and have published it. Are there any more? Please let me know. Incidentally there have 13,891 spam commments caught here.. so you can imagine a glitch can occur sometimes. Thanks for bringing it to my knowledge.
‘Chaand raaton ko nikle na nikle ‘ is the song i used to sing often to my little boy when he was a toddler. One doesnt know what is more admirable the lyrics or the tune.. each complimented the other so wonderfully.
What could we as a race have done without soulful lyrics and music, which as if interpret our life and its defining moments with supreme creativity!
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 20, 2007 @ 1:08 pm |
Could Mr. SK Sharma or Mr. Siraj Khan, who had a great personal acquaintance with OPN, put some light on his opinion about other contemporary music directors and singers. Did he ever make any comment on the talent of any of the new generation MDs either?
Comment by Abed — June 20, 2007 @ 1:35 pm |
abed ji…with time, nayyar sahab’s compositions and rafi n asha’s voices had become supplements to each other…for a few years in late 60’s he didn’t use rafi’s voice due to some reasons…had he not avoided rafi, m.kapoor could never get a chance to sing under his baton (accrdg to M.K., first song recorded by OPN with him was ‘mera pyar wo hai’/film-ye raat phir na ayegi)…still opn retained his position…but as sn as he departed from asha, his downfall started…rafi’s last release with opn were ‘bin maa ke bachche’ n ‘heera moti’ (both 1979)…after rafi’s death he tried s.p.balasubrahmanyam, amit kumar, talat aziz, shabbir kumar, pushpa pagdhare, vani jayram, dilraj kaur, kavita krishnamoorti, anuradha paudwal, s.janaki n uttara kelkar in his forthcoming films but these voices failed to fill the void…n the reason is, he could not change ‘the nayyar style’ which, asha n rafi suited most. in fact using these new voices was his ‘majboori’ though i personally feel, looking at voice-quality, breath control n ‘gale ki harkatein’, only dilraj kaur was able to take asha’s place but nayyar sahab didn’t repeat her after heera moti (better to say, she was not ready to work with nayyar sahab again)…nayyar sahab was so frustrated with this new lot of singers that once he called one of them ‘band-baaje waala’ as informed by one of my friends who was the chief asstt. dir. in that film…
so far other music dir. are concerned, he was an admirer of new theatre’s MD’s most…n contemporary MD’s, we never talked on this issue…but i wud like to underline here, nayyar sahab’s quality was that he never said a single negative word for anybody, be it lata or asha or his rival MD’s…(though i’v cm to know that the song ‘teen kanastar peet peet kar gala phaad kar chillaana’/love marriage was specially made as a satire on nayyar sahab)
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 20, 2007 @ 3:37 pm |
Dilraj kaur it seemed as if moulded her voice to mimic asha and therefore please op nayyar or maybe that he found in it the similarity to Ashas enough that he could suit his composition. But the ease with which asha flowed in the song was not how dilraj did it. Tho she was a very talented singer. I wonder why she did not get acclaim. She deserved it. She was better than a lot at her time. certainly better than suman kalyanpur and usha mangeshkar and sharda etc. Why did other composers not use her? I think at the time that she came it was the reign of Mangeshkar sisters and nobody else was allowed to come up. A lot many may have seen their downfall for the very reason ..like Vani jayaram, peenaz masani, etc..
Comment by Krishnan — June 20, 2007 @ 3:54 pm |
Thanks a lot Shishir ji for responsing to my request.
Thanks a lot lot more for sharing with us the invaluable memory and knowledge you have not only about OPN’s career but also about the entire film industry.
Wish you all the best.
Comment by Abed — June 20, 2007 @ 3:54 pm |
Shishir ji,
Nayyar Saab’s association with SP Balasubramanyam was clicked as each song from film “Neerajanam” became huge hit and both SPB and OPN were awarded state govt. “Nandi” award for the songs.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — June 20, 2007 @ 5:33 pm |
Appreciation of raatonko chori chori, reminds me of “oh Raat rangeeli” of Baap re baap. we felt at that time that it was not in the usual OPN’s fast paced stile.
Shishirji, you have amazing knowledge abt Hindi music in general and OPN in particular.
Pl enlighten me on one or two pts.
1. The song “Dar laage dard badariya………mohe chod gaye sanwariya”, was, I think, by Asha and sounds so much like OPN’s, composed and sung with elan. But from which film? Is it really Nayyar’s?. Surely, OPN has one or two songs like that in the same raaga.
2. The song “Hum aur tum aur yeh khushi” by Surendra and Zohrabai from Alibaba chalis chor. Is it he same film as the one with chitragupta and S.N.Tripathi as MDs?. which has also a song by Talat and lata “Ai sabaa unse keh jaraa”. Remade in Telugu and Tamil the tunes (directly copied from the Hindi version) were resounding hits in those days.
Comment by cumrao — June 20, 2007 @ 7:16 pm |
CumraoJi, Thank you so much for posting of the song, Zara Saamne Aa from BAAZ. It is a typical OP number and I love it.
Comment by Ashraft — June 20, 2007 @ 10:04 pm |
krishnan ji, i agree dilraj kaur stands nowhere so far asha is concerned…but after ‘pran jaye…’ nayyar sahab had no other option nor he was ready to change his style n in such circumstances dilraj comparatively suited his music most, that’s what i feel. (gareebon ke amitabh ‘mithun’ ki tarah dilraj cud bcm gareebon ki asha)…so far other singers (may be extremely talented) r concerned none of them suited nayyar style but opn’s ‘majboori’! people often compare geeta n asha…but i find a little ‘depression n dejection’ in geeta’s voice whereas asha’s voice is full of liveliness, romanticism and warmth. secondly i don’t think geeta (or any other singer) cud bring ashalike ‘breath’, ‘hichki’, ‘hansi’ n ‘gale ki harkatein’in ‘gaayki’. hence in my opinion nayyar sahab shud hv used dilraj only…
murty ji, no doubt spb is extremely talented but my personal opinion is, he can’t take rafi’s place in nayyar’s music, specially in hindi songs n the reason is nayyar sahab cud never get freed himself from rafi’s (n asha’s) influence till end.
cumrao ji, i don’t remember these two songs but ‘dar laage’ is definitely NOT nayyar’s as i’v gone thru his filmography thoroughly n no such song is mentioned in it…as per my record there were two ‘alibaba & 40 thieves’ (1932/madan theatres n 1966/basant pix) n two ‘alibaba aur 40 chor’ (1954/basant pix n 1980/eagle films)…last recorded song by zohrabai was ‘le lo le lo do phool (with rafi n shamshad) in kardar’s ‘jadoo’ (1951) accrdg to her daughter, renowned kathak dancer roshan kumari. hence if ‘hum aur tum’ is from ‘alibaba aur 40 chor’ then it shud be from the film rlsd in 1954 with music by chitragupt n s.n.tripathi. may be this song was recorded earlier. as per my knowledge, surendranath was also active till late 40’s only…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 20, 2007 @ 10:16 pm |
Yes yes Shishir ji, that is what I meant. Dilraj kaur could have easily become garibon ki asha by why did it not happen? She was hardly signed by other producers. The mast, harkatein and hichki, and aahen were all there. Suman Kalyanpur was garibon ki Lata and received good many songs. The other example who made it despite the two sisters dadagiri was Anuradha Paudwal. That maybe because her husband was the arranger of latas concerts and also close to her so he may have asked for her blessings. After that Gulshan Kumar story everyone knows. She became so powerful there for a few years till he was alive.
Comment by Krishnan — June 21, 2007 @ 1:53 pm |
I was never a great fan of Suman Kalyanpus voice. I found her nasal. Maybe im wrong. but anuradha paudwal was a better singer. Yes she was cleverer than the others so got her way and even got her daughter to become a singer. I think these days talent is important but P.R. is more important.and also to have a Godfather, whether you are an actor or singer.
Comment by niloufer — June 21, 2007 @ 5:47 pm |
The scheduled date of re-release of “NAYA DAUR” in colour was 22nd June 07. Is anybody having any idea ?
G N Murty , Rajahamundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — June 21, 2007 @ 5:58 pm |
Thank you Shishirji,
I regret that Darlaage is not Nayyar’s. It is so pleasing, crisply and effortlessly sung. The tunes for the antaras were definitely adapted from Nayyar.
The two songs I mentioned as from Alibaba chalis chor must be from two different versions. The song by Surendra and Zohrabi must belong to the older version and the song ai sabaa unse keha zaraa by Talat and Lata must be from The later version, from what you have written. This song is really a great sweet duet.
Comment by cumrao — June 21, 2007 @ 8:11 pm |
krishnanji, there is basic difference in ‘two sister’s’ nature…asha is quite extrovert n till today, she is ready to sing for any MD n with any singer (see how she is singing with non singers in ‘asha n friends’). she never dicriminated between MD’s or banners or singers…singing, in any circumstances, was her mission. we hardly find any example if she had a fight with anybody on proffessional reasons. since ‘original’ asha was available, why to take ‘duplicate’ one. this was the reason why dilraj cud not get her share…on the other hand, latabai’s nature is mashaallah. she always preferred big names n then fought with them, be it CR or RK or rafi or shankarji or kalyanji etc. etc. thus opening way for ‘duplicates’. n when saw the ‘sinhasan’ shaking, again reconciled. accrdg to late snehal bhatkar sahab, ‘kabhi tanhaiyon me yun’ was in fact to be sung by lata. evrybdy was present in the recording room but there was no trace of her’s…when enquired, smbdy informed kidar sharmaji, she is busy recording for a rajkamal film…hurt, sharmaji immediately called mubaraq begum (n the truth is, had lata sung this song, this wud have been just one of the best songs sung by her but in mabaraq’s unique voice, this has becm one of the best songs ever made, that’s wat i feel)… similarly hw many songs did lata sing for BR? or for RAJSHRI? in mid 60’s, v hardly find any of her duets with rafi (bkoz of the big fight). n see, MD’s n producers had no choice for rafi but thr wr many for lata…(ajahu na aaye baalma / thahariye hosh me aa lun / aha ayee milan ki bela/lata style ‘saawan aaye ya na aaye n so on)…n see, lata’s ‘home’, the RK films got it’s first FF award of best music for ‘mera naam joker’ with no ‘lata’ song (kyonki un dinon ka daur shankarji se yuddh ka tha). still i appreciate, she always kept her self- respect maintained, is a great singer with a perfect ‘gaayki’ n keeps great knwldg of indian classical n folk…
murtyji, i hvn’t hrd if the color vrsn is going to b rlsd on 22nd n rlsng a film wthout publicity is a grt risk…
cumraoji, ‘ai saba’ is not from the second version (made in 1980) with RD’s music wch had 5 songs – aja sare bazaar tera pyaar (lata)/ dil me jo baat hai (lata)/ khatooba khatooba (asha)/ jadugar jadu kar jayega (asha, kishore)/ saare shahar me ek haseen hai (asha, lata)…this may be from second version of alibaba & 40 thieves (1966) with usha khanna’s music n not from ‘alibaba aur 40 chor’…pl confirm…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 22, 2007 @ 8:52 am |
Shishir ji Thanks for the valid response. I think fees or payment should be a factor also…latas fees and suman Kalyanpurs will differ, that is why ‘poor mans’ term took force.. also asha bais fees and dilrajs would differ. I feel afraid of boycott by these two sisters a lot of talent in the earlier years had to die an unsung death.
Comment by Krishnan — June 22, 2007 @ 10:58 am |
Mr. curao,
your choice (OP’S ten best) shows that you have imbibed the music of OP Nayyar. Still i’ll like to add few :
Raaton ko chori-chori; Baahon ko jara lehara de; Aao huzoor tumko; Ye hai raishmi zulfon ka andhera; Huzoore waala; Jaaiye aap kahan jaaigein; Sar per topi laal gaal pe or aain hain door se from the same film; Pukaarta chala hoon mein; Mein jaan gayee tujhe saiyyan (as vinod rightly said), Door bahut mat jaaiye lekar karaar hamaara;and i’ll include most of the songs of cid, naya daur, ek musaafir ek haseena. List became too long but in no way you can curtail it. One song i specially like to mention here is from ‘Basant’….O Madam Nancy you are my fancy which is worth hearing for it’s unique composition.
Comment by arun bajaj — June 22, 2007 @ 11:10 am |
I had heard of the coloured print being released by Ravi chopra himself who said it would be on 22nd June. Murthy ji is right. But nothing has happened so far.
About my favorites, I prefer Op jis romantic melodies to his fun filled ones. I think his soul comes through in songs like raaton ko chori chori or Ek musafir, or saawan ki ghata’ kashmir ki kali.
Comment by niloufer — June 23, 2007 @ 10:34 am |
Arunji,
As I said, I was not satisfied with the list I posted, simply because I could not include the songs like those you mentioned and many more. It is just impossible to restrict to 10.
I am particularly happy to note that you included Baahonko jara lehraade, as you are the first person, besides I who mentioned it. It is a strange composition, wheree Manna dey sung melodiously, and Asha exuberantly. The music too. Not OPN’s usual stile.
But, I do not know the song “Door bahut jaaiye”. From which film?
Comment by cumrao — June 23, 2007 @ 6:34 pm |
OPNayyar was one of the greatest musical genius and any amount of shraddhanjali to him will be less. To keep his legacy alive i propose we organise a nite in January at Delhi. The troupe of Indranil Mukherjee can be asked to do the musical evening. Last year i had organised a S D Burman nite at Delhi which was a great hit. Lets all join our hands together to make it a success.
Sangeeta Saxena
e-mail sangeetasaxena2001@yahoo.co.uk
ph.Delhi 011-9810633540
Comment by Sangeeta Saxena — June 23, 2007 @ 6:53 pm |
Shishirji,
Your post 495:
For those of us who lap up everything composed by OPN, your having the songs of Muqaddarki baat in LP is Good news.
I can guide you in digitizing and loading the songs to your PC and then upload them to Sachniti.
First part is to digitize them. A simple but not of high quality way is:
First thing is to have suitable software to do it. Music match Juke box is one of them. If you dont have it already, you can download the basic version free. I think you know that you can plug-in a mike to your PC, Check sound adjustments, be sure that “Mic in” is not turned off.
You have to chose various options in Music match juke box under
options/recorder. Play your LP and keep the mike in front of the loud speaker. With appropriate options selected, any sound going into the mike will be converted to mp3 and stored in your PC.
Unless your LP player has a slot for cable transmission of sound this is the only way, as far as I know.
Comment by cumrao — June 23, 2007 @ 7:01 pm |
Shishirji,
about Ai saba, I am sure it is from The film of early 50s. Whether it is alibaba 40 thieves or alibaba chalis chor I am not sure. It was a Mahipal-Shakila starrer. I have this song and its very hauntingly melodious, one of the best by Talat_Lata combination. As far As I can remember, It came soon after Aarpaar. Most probably, Shakila’s first as heroine. The film has songs in Gevacolor though the rest of the film was B/W. Sorry for the confusion.
Your post in 452, about the song ‘tere hum ho sanam”, though I too have the song in my PC with no info on the film or lyricist, the singers were Rafi_Suman Kalyanpur, as per the tag I have. It is also a wonderful duet. I have a vague memory that it may be from Teerandaz, but I may be wrong.
Comment by cumrao — June 23, 2007 @ 7:25 pm |
I like old hindi film songs but I do not have much knowledge of it. I often go through this site and find it very interesting and also get good knowledge of hindi songs from it. I know , not personally, there is one actor whose name is Shishir Sharma who has acted in the hit serial shaka laka boom boom on star plus in the role of principal. These days he is acting in DoorDarshan afternoon daily serial Nargis in the role of Mehfooz, Nargis’ nanaji. I want to know if Mr. Shishir Krishna Sharma who is very active in this site has any connection with this actor Shishir Sharma?
Comment by Ramavtar Agrawal — June 23, 2007 @ 8:11 pm |
Ramavtar ji,
Through e mails exchanged between Shishir ji and me,he informed me of this as well. Yes, Shishir ji is the same actor you refer to. He is indeed multi talented!
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 23, 2007 @ 9:26 pm |
Dear friends,
Its past midnight and way past my bedtime ordinarily. However, a piece of news I read today, disturbed me emotionally. Thought I’d share it with all of you, my Sachiniti family.
We do know that the brilliant lyricist Sahir Ludhianvi had passed away a while ago. Apparently, he left behind no family or close relatives. He was un married and lived alone. Cine Blitz a magazine reported that his belongings were being recently shifted out from his flat and being sold to the ‘raddiwala’.. among them were his journals, of his poems and ‘sarmaya ‘ of his life…orphaned and forlorn..lost to posterity and at the mercy of unmoved mercenaries. Is that the sum total of our life?
One cannot but remember his lyrics which have stayed with me
‘aurat ne janam diya mardon ko
mardon ne unhe bazaar diya
jab ji chaha machla kuchla
jab ji chaha dutkaar diya”
or
CHALO EK BAAR PHIR SE AJNABI BAN JAAYE HUM DONO…
TAARUF ROG BAN JAYE TO US KO BHOOLNA BEHTAR
TALLUQ BOJH BAN JAYE TO US KO TODNA ACCHA
WOH AFSANA JISE ANJAAM TAK LANA NA HO MUMKIN
USE EK KHOOBSURAT MOD DE KAR CHODNA ACCHA”
Zindagi kya itni bewafaa ho sakti hai? But somewhere rests the niggling idea that a single thought of a human, as if creates ripples in the universe.. it can never get lost or go to ruin. It is there in our minds and hearts.. his words.. My father was a great admirer of his lyrics and often told me that if there is one lyricist in the industry who is ‘literary’ and not filmi it is Sahir. Therefore the news today for me was doubly disturbing. It would have saddened my father tremendously.
Ghalibs shair comes to mind..
“Chand tasweer-e-butaN, chand hasinoN ke khutut – Baad marne ke mere, ghar se yeh samaN nikle!”
I wonder what Sahir had prophecied for himself!
All one can aver is ..May his soul rest in peace! May he be content in the knowledge that he is loved and admired, respected and remembered.
Regards to all!
Kaveetaa
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 24, 2007 @ 12:29 am |
this is the wiki link to information on Sahir Ludhianvi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahir_Ludhianvi
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 24, 2007 @ 12:42 am |
Kaveetaa ji,It is really sad this news. Why could not he have made a will in his lifetime as to his possessions? He lived alone and yet composed such heartrending poetry..so filled with wisdom.
his songs’aage bhi jaane na tu, peechche bhi jaane na tu, jo bhi hai bas yehi ek pal hai’ is wonderful and so is ‘ allah tero naam, ishwar tero naam’..so many there are which show his talent.And there my have been so many more given to the raddiwala..Which issue was it? the latest?
Comment by niloufer — June 24, 2007 @ 12:43 pm |
Niloufer, It is the latest I guess. I am not an avid reader of film mags.It happened to be within arms reach at the Doctors, so glanced through it while in wait. It has Ash on the cover and is a write up from the editor, where she too has expressed shock and grief at the incident.
List is endless of Sahirs songs
“jaane kya tune kahi, jaane kya maine kahi baat kuch ban hi gayee’
or
dukhi man mere sun mera kehna jahaan nahin chaina wahan nahin rehna
this a nazm I love:
Aao ke koyi khwaab bunen kal ke vaaste
Varnaa ye raat aaj ke sangeen daur ki
Das legi jaan-o-dil ko aise ke jaan-o-dil
Taa-umr phir na koyi haseen khwaab bun sake.
Gau hum se bhaagtee rahi hai tez-gaam umr
Khwaabon ke aasre pe katee hai tamaam umr
Ye khwaab hi to apnee jawaanee ke paas the
Ye khwaab hi to apne amal ki asaas the
Aao ke koyi khwaab buneN, kal ke vaaste !
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 24, 2007 @ 2:01 pm |
I have added the video of ‘Aurat ne janam diya mardon ko” to the vodpod as a tribute to Sahir Saheb.
You will notice that the picturisation was simple.The lyrics were so potent that no embellishments were needed either musically or cinematically for the message to come through. Truly an example of sheer power of words reaching the innermost core of ones soul..
Kahaan gaye woh log!!
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 24, 2007 @ 2:50 pm |
Kaveetaa ji,
First of all thanks for posting the song ‘aurat ne janam diya mrdon ko’..I have been wanting to listen to it for some time now and so has my wife. It is a coincidence that just a few days back we were talking of it and today i see it here. About Sahir ji, its tragic the things sometimes even the most gifted have to face. When he wrote ‘yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaaye to kya hai’ you believe that he also believed in it strongly. Even today we recognise those lyrics and thoughts, they are timeless.
Regards
Krishnan
Comment by Krishnan — June 24, 2007 @ 4:02 pm |
The news is really disturbing. I am really shocked to hear this unmindful act of maharashtra govt.(otherwise who could have ordered this shameful act?).Sahir is an inspiration to many whose distinct style prompted us to write like him but there could only be one Sahir…..
” na muh chhupa ke jiye, na sar jhuka ke jiye
sitamgiron ki nazar se nazar mila ke jiye
ab ek raat kam jiye ,to kam hi sahi
yehi bahut hai ki hum mashaalen jala ke jiye”
Lines are simple, sraight and direct and still forceful enough to change one’s destiny.
Poets, writers, painters,musicians are the pillars of any civilised society….”Inki jalaaye hui mashaalon se aage ki peedhi ko raasta milta hai”.
You have to bleed for a work of art. It is not like erecting a building. Poetry is, in reality, the sacrifice of the self….it is a deep dive. It only happens when the body, mind and spirit are in the tune with each other. Ask these mindless politicians how many Sahir’s our great nation has produced uptill now? What India has produced in abandon is VP Singh’s and Arjun Singh’s, Mulayam Singh’s and Amar Singh’s, Lalu Prasad’s and Rabri Devi’s, Advaanis’s and Togadia’s…..only garbage in the name of politicians. In the name of democracy we have surrendered our lives to a nameless bureaucracy and uneducated politicians. Art is dyeing in India. Artists are dyeing unsung. All you will be left with, is a rich souless city for builders and corrupt politicians sitting on bags of cash.
I know what Sahir must be thinking in his grave after this mindless act:
“Aabaadiyon mein dasht ka manjar bhi hoga
Guzaronge shaher se to mera ghar bhi hoga”.
Comment by arun bajaj — June 24, 2007 @ 5:14 pm |
Well said Arun ji.
While the apathy and disinterestedness by officiandos is something we Indians have immunised ourselves against much to the consternation of every right thinking world citizen, what is even more appalling is the uncaring attitude of Bollywood over the matter. Sahir was someone who deserved to be eulogised and his possessions carefully preserved as a legacy. Perhaps industrywallahs are ignoring the fact that to morrow it might be their turn. In a world where success is the only criteria for respect and adulation, sentiments of the kind hold little or no value in their scheme of things.
And then they plaintively lament over lack of creativity and soul in lyricists today! As if they have accorded the respect to those who have expressed the truths of life so admirably, coloured with the angst in their soul!! Shame!
It makes you lose faith in human beings on one hand and in the business of living if all finally comes to nought.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 24, 2007 @ 6:20 pm |
my post no. 541… please read abundance in place of abandon.
i am very much touched by your gesture Kaveetaji , the soft corner you have for these legendary personalities who are born once in centuries. i was very much disturbed after reading your post, still i am. again i want to quote Sahir’
“Hum aman chahate hain magar zulm ke khilaf
gar zung lazmi hai to phir zung hi sahi
zaalim ko jo na roke wo shaamil hai zulm mein”
kaatil ko jo na toke wo kaatil ke saath hai
hum sarbakaf utthe hain ki haq fatahyaab ho
keh do use jo lashkare-baatil ke saath hai
is dhang per hai zor to yeh dhang hi sahi”
Comment by arun bajaj — June 24, 2007 @ 7:24 pm |
Kaveetaji,
You expressed very well the weight-age and value given to real talent by the present day world.
Success, however transitory it is, by whatsoever means it is achieved, is the sole yardstick, by which a person’s worth is measured.
Comment by cumrao — June 24, 2007 @ 8:06 pm |
Reading the last few messages here – some breath-taking some drove me out of breath. #502 Chand Raton ko Nikle na nikle has OP’s unmistakable soft rose-petal beat which we have seen in Jayye aap kahan jayenge, haath aya hai jab se tera and a score of others. And am linking this with the more recent entries (disturbing would be under-statement)on Sahir through a common link link of Urdu poetry, in which OPN excelled. I think one of Bollywood’s most under-rated poets/lyricists was Shamsul Huda Bihari. SH Bihari has written more lyrics in OPN films than any other poet and yet people (even Biharis)know so little about this great man. Despite the visibility OPN gave to SHB he never got the recognition he truly deserved. There is a story that he wrote songs for an entire film by staying awake one night. For the benefit of those who may not be aware, please allow me to share with you a dedication he once wrote for OPN (fil badi – on the spot) when they had both had a couple of drinks and were in high spirits
Teri zindagi mohabbat
Tera naam hai deewana
Tere baad bhee karega
Tera zikr yeh zamana
Tu woh zindagi naheen hai
Jisse maut khatm karde
Jisse bhool jaye dunya
Tu naheen hai woh tarana
One of the few awful aspects of the Indian culture is that we start to recognize people when its too late. Never in their life-time. This story is repeated again and again and in doing so we miss the bus and then just grapple with fond memories like repairing expensive chinaware.
Back to OP Nayyar. One of the greatest service we can do for him is to publicize his rare and relatively little heard gems (e.g I often refer to Asha’s songs from the period earlier than Naya Daur as purana daur).
I have some other ideas that I would like to share with you. They are still in the melting pot. I really feel that we must take our realtionship to the next level – beyond the armchair discussion, commenting and comparing. More towards action – what tangibles can we bring to the table to keep the torch lit for the legendary OP NAYYAR who has contributed so much towards the happiness in our lives – so lovingly and yet so unknowingly.
Siraj Khan
Boston, USA
Comment by Siraj Khan — June 24, 2007 @ 8:06 pm |
Arun ji,
Thanks for your sensitive words. They have indeed captured the spirit of my being. If we leave the world unfeeling of our surroundings or unfazed by a wrong then I fear that our having been graced with a human souls is at best perfunctory. Human suffering is a phenomenon we have to forbear but not necessarily forego emotionally. For me, the loss of human talent and creativity has always been poignant. Nothing hurts more than denigration of an artists life .. such as has happened with sahir ji, hence the outburst. I loved the lines you have quoted..Its true very true even of my writings on Sachiniti.. yeh jung to ab jaari hai.. jeetna ya haarna hamara junoon nahin..
Cumraoji,
No matter the transcience of life or the ephemeral nature of our existence, but living on the fringes of what life has to offer would be a shame. Those of feeble heart and shallow soul only I think would liken worldly success with progress of the human spirit. Mostly its an impediment to growth. No wonder then that a mans possessions are evaluated by monetary benefits instead of its intrinsic worth.. which is priceless. Its tragic that sahirs thoughts arisen from the core of his inherent nature were thus dismissed on the weighing scale of material squalor. But we as thinking, mature, alive spirits can condemn if have not been successful in retrieving the loss. if we fail to do even that then our core ought to be questioned as well.. Thanks.
Siraj Ji,
The written word is considered the most lasting and tangible on the web. when I wrote this post last year as an emotional reaction to what I read of OP ji on the article linked above, I had no charted path where it would lead to.
I believe we cannot/ should not be controllers of the destiny of any creative pursuit, especially when it involves such large numbers of sensitive and sensible souls. The energy partaken in the endeavour creates a path of its own accord, organically. That is how this post has grown and how I would like it to progress. It should respond to the thoughts of the contributors open heartedly, guilelessly.Whatever the course, whichever the stream, the rivulet finds its ocean. Let us blend along, swim in its ecstasy and drown in its ripples, without permitting an interference with the constrictions of our mind. After all how does and can one assume the propriety of ones decisions.
We are not doers.. but witnessers.. the earlier we realise this the better for all mankind.
Humbly and with warm regards
Kaveetaa
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 24, 2007 @ 11:11 pm |
Dear Kaveetaa
I hope that you read my post in the spirit that it was written. You do realize, I am sure, that I am enjoying the swim as much as anybody else who has taken the dive, if not more. And this will continue, of that I am confident. However, I do have a reservation on your last line. Can we not be dooers in addition to being witnessers? Is there something stopping us? When you embarked upon unchatered territory, you unknowingly perhaps, became a dooer. Other dooers have actually formed an OP Nayyar Foundation, to assist struggling musicians. Some dooers have posted his songs clipping right here. We may have “in-house capability” to set up a OP Nayyar web-site (eg Asha Bhosle, Nadeem-Shravan, Talat Mahmood etc. sites are going great guns). Some methodology to give greater visibility and exposure to lesser heard songs is another area where we could all look at. It would be fun and I cannot quite comprehend why you would want all of us on your karvaan to be labelled as witnessers when in addition we could also be dooers.
Siraj Khan
Comment by Siraj Khan — June 24, 2007 @ 11:42 pm |
Dear Siraj Ji,
I have not been able to fathom the objection to my words which I confess were to be imbibed philosophically rather than literally. Perhaps I needed to express the Advaita dictum detailedly, which I took for granted most of us here were well versed with.
The ideology of ‘doer’ and ‘witnesser’ had little or in fact nothing to do with ‘doing’ and ‘witnessing’ but more with ‘Nishkama karma’, which was my contention. Perhaps you have misunderstood the thrust. It was used in context of not feeling an egotistical pride of being the ‘driver’ in a creative pursuit, when we maybe following a pre ordained path. And also to do with ‘controlling’ readers thoughts and ideas here. I dont like to do that.. I dont like to tell commenters what they ought to write or not, or how often..so consider it important that we be ‘witnessers’ there.
To imagine that I would ever want anything but the best for O P ji and his repertoire is indeed minimising my efforts and diluting my intentions. Whatever our capabilities ought to be fructified. That is what I meant .
It would be immensely pleasurable for me and all of us to see the site grow ‘organically’..perhaps enough consideration was not accorded to my choice of words. But that does not mean that any reference to another talented musician cannot be made on the blog, with deference, which I have oft noticed has been the resistance from you. I was merely expressing my concern on that dimension.
This space is not mine as much as it is those who come here regularly. Anything and any direction they take is the right direction to go with.. which includes you Siraj ji.. only I wish you would be more active. In the last couple of hundred comments you have made just two…While that is not the problem.. Comments from the other regulars whose feelings and views I cannot ignore. cannot be minimalised.
To see an active co ordination for any further evolution will be like a dream come true for me. I wish my inner feelings are not misunderstood and a little care was given to the fact that I may have done my best to make this as democratic a space as possible just so that admirers of music and poetry can have a free rein here.
Comment 275 -286 or so. for almost a fortnight last month I was trying to load an audio player which could include all of Op jis songs. If you had read the comment sections carefully you might have realised that. Unfortunately this server does not allow for players on the site , to prevent adult/ mature content which might be misused by bloggers. But this I got to know after plenty of trials and errors with another friend ‘devilsworkshop’. It was then that I created a separate category on the vodpod itself “O P Nayyars Hits ” where I uploaded all the videos possible on the web and Cumrao ji added quite a few.
Karma for the sake of karma and a continuous ongoing effort has and always will be my tenet. I work sometimes upto 10 hours a day on this blog. I have given it a lot of my creative energy and time. I am perhaps simply following my calling..not with ego but humility. You are free to post any and every song , old, rarely heard, new, just as you wish.. It has and should be a concerted effort..please take my comment in the right spirit as well.. with patience and not impatience as not to understand the deeper underlying meaning of words.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 25, 2007 @ 12:07 am |
Siraj Bhai,
Please do not mind . I agree with Kaveetaa ji. We ALL here wish the best for Op Nayyar ji. Please go ahead and post or suggest your suggestions. But I think your tone is a little severe. It is like going to somebodys house and then not being kind. Your last comment here was to tell us of your site and earlier to that of your programme which we requested you for details and then none came. Before that, the earlier comment you scolded somebody here for talking about Shankar jaikishan and other MD’s. Let us all do whatever we can, but let us not tell the other what to do or what not to do. It is not fair. We are ready to listen to your suggestions and will follow them together.
Kaveeta ji its important you do not feel hurt.. let us not spoil the lovely calm and serene atmosphere of this site. It is like home for me. and a lot of others who have said the same thing here.
Please forgive me Siraj Bhai and Kaveeta ji if I have spoken out of turn. Let us just move on.
Comment by Krishnan — June 25, 2007 @ 1:02 am |
Wah Bhai Wah , Dooer, witness, kya Jasbad hai Boston aur Mumbai ke alfaaz me.
Yes, we must move forward. Kudos to all of you , in this great web site.
Siraj Khan has rightly aaid that in India we recognise late. The trouble is if you are ready to throw your principles away , like many and in Mumbai lingua , thods zam ke muska lagao tho , you get recognition. They say in good cinema , the camera has to speak and actors act. Same is the case with music . The music has to do the magic and not the hype and muska. This is what made OPN very different from others and he lived with his principles.
One thing we could do is just play recordings of OPN on a web site , which could be heard and taped. Windows Media Player is there and real player is also there. If someone is doing it, just give the time of the broadcast, webcast, podcast, so that one can tape it or just listen to it. Do it from anywhere in the world, but post the time ( your time) on this site of the webcast. We can then tune in, accordingly and enjoy, record the all time great OPN. Rare good aongs would be top priority.
Comment by gajanan — June 25, 2007 @ 7:26 am |
In the case of sahir atleast its not true and I do not agree with Siraj Bhai that he got recognition late. He got plenty in his lifetime as well. But we always tend to forget to remember after a person is dead. His memories for very few hold any importance and his possessions or his writings even less unless you are a Van gogh or Ghalib. if today there was a price for Sahirs poetry do you think that it would have been sold to the ‘raddiwala’?
Comment by Krishnan — June 25, 2007 @ 9:05 am |
Whoever has any ideas on what should be done should go ahead and do it. Doers must do ..so go ahead and do it! Why expect Kaveetaa ji or Cumrao ji to do everything? if Siraj Ji thinks there should be rare songs then he should find them and post them for all of us to hear.Nothing is stopping him. I request Gajanan ji if you know of a way that the media player can be created then please do it. If I knew I would have gladly done it.I dont know so neither do i advise nor suggest. This must be a joint effort where all concerned must make their contribution in whatever way possible. I am willing to help if somebody tells me what should be done. Please make constructive talk backed with action. Lots of things should happen so please make them happen, is what I feel .
Thanks
Niloufer
Comment by niloufer — June 25, 2007 @ 10:54 am |
All is fine friends 🙂
Gajanan ji I think your suggestion is workable. It may take some time to download each song individually. But I will get on the job asap and hopefully we shall have a real/media player with O P ji’s songs.
Meanwhile ofcourse, you can click on the vodpod header and go into the O P Nayyars hits category and revel in some soulful melodies.
Love to all!
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 25, 2007 @ 8:43 pm |
Kaveeta
I’d like to say simply that the dignity and elegance with which you handle the blog is appreciable.Keep it up!!
Sahir Ludhianvis dispossesion of his earthly possesions is a mirror of the callousness of our times. The more I think of it, it angers me. Surely there must have been a thousand alternatives. But who has the time to care?
Comment by Jatin Lall — June 25, 2007 @ 11:55 pm |
There many players available in the net. Just go to google and type ” real player” or “Quicktime” and you can download them for period of time free and then I do not know if payment still exists for these players. Windows Media player is available with the Microsoft software. If you have broadband downloading is faster. I understand all will not have broadband facilities. There are some radio stations all over the globe which play Indian film music on Windows Media Player. I hope to contact my friends overseas and request them to play OPN’s hits on weekends for some time. As soon as I get the info from any international radio station, I will post the information on this blog with their local time , date, so that you can adjust yourself the timings.
About Sahir one can only say ” Waqt ne Kiya , Kya Haseen Sitam, Hum rahe ne hum……..
This is blog dedicated to Sahir L. Good site still growing
http://www.sahirludhianvi.com/blog/
Comment by gajanan — June 26, 2007 @ 6:41 am |
BTW, Waqt ne Kiya Kya Haseen Sitam is lyrics of Kaifi Azmi , who was as formidable in writing as Sahir L
Comment by gajanan — June 26, 2007 @ 8:05 am |
Jatin ji,
Thanks for your gracious words. When passion rules ones heart and mind , inessentials give way to essentials and prioritisation of issues gets to be the benchmark of capability while composure at all times the cornerstone of integrity.
Gajanan ji,
I have downloaded both Real and Quick time. The problem as I see it is one of accessibility. It is disheartening that wordpress does not allow Mp3 or wave or flash players. Blogspot too has not embedded the feature or I could have posted the player on Sachiniti at blogspot, since the same post was originally there. And others having broadband is an extremely small percentage which may again not serve our purpose. Anyways like I said videos are available here.
Kaifi Azmi and his prowess is something we can be proud about. His was a quiet verse but unmistakable in its veraciousness and inherent strength. One of my favourites. There was raja Mehdi ali Khan , also not much spoken of but his combination with Madan Mohan produced some unforgettable melodies.. all songs of ” Anpadh’ an example.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 26, 2007 @ 10:18 am |
mostly we all come here to share and learn. Its not about listening to music so much as it is about talking of it which is obvious from the fact that it has reached 550 comments.Songs one can easily get to hear all over the net by creating an mp3 of op’s hits.. theeres no probs there. so kaveeta ji dont get hassled. In any case also what I feel is that downloading is expensive for some so even what you take trouble to add and all that very many may not benefit as much as they would by just reading comments here and getting to know the views of so many learned people here or be reminded of songs which they may have long forgotten or maybe just feel bonded with somebody who is sharing similar views. that is what i gather from my visits her.
Thank you.
Comment by Krishnan — June 26, 2007 @ 12:29 pm |
Kaveetaaji,
What I understand from your recent posts, You are trying to incorporate a player on Sachniti. If you have found a way it is OK. But, if not, I think it is not needed. There are many players in the net which can be freely downloaded. Real Player, Music match Jukebox, Winamp etc. for Audio, and power video, winamp, Windows media player, DVX player etc. for both audio and video. I downloaded all these when i had only dial-up connection. Without broad band, they do take a little time , but one should be prepared for that little trouble. Actually it is not a trouble also, as one need not be present physically in front of the computer, while download is proceeding. After downloading them one simply has to install them by following the directions.
As Gajananji and Krishnanji have said, they can be downloaded by any one, without much hassle. Make one of them a default player for audio and another or same for video.
I did so in my PC, and I have no problem so far. (My problems of extracting video from DVDs, which I was discussing with you , were of a different sort. and I could still not find a solution for the same). As soon as I click on video or audio icon on Sachniti, the default player takes over and the selected audio or video simply plays on quite nicely without any problem.
Comment by cumrao — June 26, 2007 @ 7:32 pm |
Cumrao ji and Krishnan ji, comforting words to say the least. Yes I have been trying to install a player here, rather unsucessfully. I am glad my readers, like you dear Cumrao and Krishnan ji are so computer savvy. Thank you.. I am highly relieved. Nevertheless the vodpod will be updated regularly with melodies from O P ji’s collections.God bless!
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 26, 2007 @ 7:48 pm |
Yes Cumrao ji exactly. And what we get on the net freely is not the purpose of Saciniti i think.. the comments section here is not available elsewhere. Also like Niloufer ji pointed out whoever has any further ideas should themselves incorporate it here without problems.
There was a question I have for all our ‘gyaanis ‘ here. Indian ragas are said to be scientific and therefore are famed to have performed surreal incidents.. raag malhaar caused rain and so on. Also they are said to affect our body positively. So does western music have no such ragas? Some of their music is also very soothing and popular. But not based on ragas. So what is their inspiration?
Comment by Krishnan — June 26, 2007 @ 8:34 pm |
Krishnanji, I am not the gyaani here so cannot answer your question. But what I wanted to say was that this is not a commercial site,I see here no ads. So kaveetaa ji whatever she is doing, spending so much time and energy, is for passion. So if we love op ji or other Mds then whatever we do is also for our passion for them. Other people want to do programmes and make money but here it is only fondness for the man and his tunes.Let us forget about everything else and make use of this site to discuss music. this platform has been given to us for that so let us do it and enjoy !!
Gajanan ji the link for sahir was so nice. Just a quiet place to read his shairs. if somebody is well versed in Urdu.
Kaveeta ji you mentioned Raja mehdi ali kahan. What a memory I have of his songs in ‘woh kaun thi’ like lag jaa gale, and mera saaya ‘tu jahan jahaan chalega’.. oof beautiful.
Comment by niloufer — June 27, 2007 @ 10:27 am |
Niloufer ji,
Yes the combination of these two was indeed fruitful. Also Op ji and raja mehdi ali khan had composed a song ‘poocho na humme hum unke liye’..from Mitti and sona. i am not an authority but this is one song I know.
Comment by Krishnan — June 27, 2007 @ 10:33 pm |
Today is 28th June 2007 , friends , it was Jan 28th , when OPN left his mortal coils and bid us Alvida. July 28th will be his half yearly anniversary. I am trying to contact some radio stations, who have superb infrastructure to play his songs as a tribute on radio stations which can be accessed on the net. Overseas , the infrastruture being sound and many stations run by senior persons ( we have to see and request also, you never know some seniors may like ardha english, no urdu, besura Hindi,Bhelpuri Bhojpuri. I have seen a senior man dance to “Woh hai Rock star kuch bhi kaho, to another elder’s remark ‘ Yeh Saab Kalyug ka kaamal hai. So you have to request them).
I will be posting some web sites of radio stations to which bloggers in this site can contact them directly and request them to play on July 28th 2007, atleast 1 hr of good OPN songs. We may succeed in atleast convincing one or two. If more , very good. One mths time is there.
ASAP , I will post you the radio stations web sites. Please see time difference as to how it suits the majority of OPN’s fans and if more than one or two agrees then we will adjust the time accordingly.
Good luck with your try and keep the date July 28th 2007 in your diary, mind and dil.
Comment by gajanan — June 28, 2007 @ 5:27 am |
This is a New Zealand one. This approximately 4 hrs.50 mins ahead of India , Mumbai
http://www.tarana.co.nz/
This is in France . please work out the time difference between Mumbai and France. You could request them.
http://www.radioteentaal.com/
This is in USA below. This caters to new film music. But you can request them. Time differenec may be a problem. One thing, July 28th, 2007 is Saturday in India, so it will be Friday in USA.
http://www.radionri.com/
Please try your requests.
Comment by gajanan — June 28, 2007 @ 5:39 am |
u r right krishnanji…’poochho na hamein’ is indeed raja m.a.k.’s. some other hits he wrote for opn are ‘chhuri ban kaanta ban’, o mister dil badi mushkil’, ‘gustaakh nazar chehre se hata’, ‘raat sard sard hai’ (all jaali note), ‘aana aana atariya pe aana’, ‘pyara pyara hai sama’, ‘assalaam aalekum babu’ (kalapana), ‘honolulu’, ‘kenya uganda taganika’, ‘hongkong china mina’ (hongkong), ‘kahiye janaabe ali’, ‘aiji pehli mulaqaat me’, ‘milti hai agar nazaron se nazar'(do dilon ki dastaan) n abv all ‘aap yoon hi agar humse milte rahe’ n ‘mai pyaar ka raahi hoon'(ek musafir…)
cumraoji, thnx for guiding me (#531)…i’ll definitely try to upload ‘muqaddar ki baat’ the way you said. n not only mkb, i want to make acd’s all the lp, ep n sp records i hv in thousands. i’ll take help from my son who has recently started his career in film editing thus learning all the aspects of computers n softwares. as far as ‘ai saba’ n ‘dar laage’ are concrnd, these shud be from shakila n mahipal starrer ‘alibaba aur 40 chor’ which was rlsd in the same year (1954) shakila’s ‘aarpaar’ was rlsd. unfortunately fantasy n mythological films hv always bn considered as ‘c’ grade ones and no matter how good the music is, concerned music company never bothered to re-release the same thus barring coming generations (incldng mine) from listening those beautiful songs. ofcourse there are some exceptions like ‘parasmani’ n ‘zabak’ which wr re-rlsd.
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 28, 2007 @ 9:48 am |
Gajanan ji, diary mind and dil mein likh liya..LOL
Thanks for the links. I will write to them let us see if they play those songs.
Shishir ji..thanks for all the information.I had no idea that even Ek musafir songs were raja MAk’s. fantastic. You are an encyclopedia about the whole industry. Looking forward to the songs you up load.
Comment by Krishnan — June 28, 2007 @ 11:38 am |
thnx krishnanji…i’m really serious about what said. but i feel uploading is a full-time job n specially for my kind of ‘neem haqeems’. secondly, proper infrastructure like equipments, cables, softwares etc. is required for this work wch i lack. n in mumbai’s lifestyle sparing ‘time’ is the main problem. still i’ll try my level best because this is my own requirement too.
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 28, 2007 @ 12:28 pm |
Just no problems Shishir ji. I understand. take your time Sir! Meanwhile you can tell us a few anecdotes from your experience…if you dont mind..
Comment by Krishnan — June 28, 2007 @ 7:06 pm |
Sorry forgot to ask.. Shishir ji in comment #534 kaveeta ji replied to somebody who enquired and informed that you are a popular T.V. actor.. I dont see much television. But will you give some details.Thank you.
Comment by Krishnan — June 28, 2007 @ 7:09 pm |
krishnanji, here on this blog i just wanted to remain a journalist, music critic n film historian but no problem if somebody has recognised me. yes, acting is a part of my proffessional life though i can’t claim that i’m that popular. i’v acted in many serials like shaka laka boom boom (star+) in wch i played principal, kohinoor (sahara one/museum curator ranjan srivastav), kayamat (DD-1/heroine’s father), dharmputra (DD-1/villain murli) etc. n these days i’m playing mehfooz (nargis’ nanajaan) in nargis aired at 2.05 pm mon-friday on DD-1. so far tv is concrnd even i don’t like to see these ‘saas-bahu’ kind of programs…what i watch is either news or discovery n NGC…n since i’m busy almost all the time either shooting or writing (n nw on this blog), it is vv dfclt for me to change already set a lifestyle n learn some new things like ‘uploading’ of songs though i really feel sorry for that…anyway i wud love to remain only a journalist, music critic n film historian on this blog n keep the main purpose behind it maintained…thnx
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 28, 2007 @ 7:46 pm |
cumraoji, due to certain reasons i was not able to come on this blog for some time. nw slowly going thru the posts i missed n found your comment no. 532 reg the song ‘tere hum o sanam’…no sir it’s not from ‘teerandaaz’ but is from ‘bachpan’ n the composer is ‘sardar malik’n this information is furnished by mr.arun bajaj vide comment no. 457, thnx to arunji onceagain. sir among three, this ‘bachpan’ was rlsd in 1963 n the main lead wr salim n menka irani whereas h.s.rawail’s ‘teerandaaz’ was rlsd in 1955 n the main lead wr jairaj, madhubala n ajit n MD was CR. n see hw similar is suman’s voice to that of lata ki mere jaisa ‘kaansen’ got confused. i was under impression that this song was sung by rafi n lata until i got arunji’s reply….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — June 28, 2007 @ 9:39 pm |
Dear friends,
Have just added four videos to the vodpod.
1) A song from Baaz
2) Nazneen.. bada rangeen vaada tera ..from Phir wahi dil laaya hoon
3) Piya Piya na laage mora jiya.. from Phagun..
4) Yeh desh hai veer jawaanon ka
Hope you like them.. hum to jhoom uthe.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — June 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm |
Thanks Kaveetaa ji. Such lovely songs. Nazneen took me to another world..And in Piya Madhu bala with her impish looks..lovely really. Somehow life was simple then. simple melody clean, simple emotions and small pleasures… compared with today it looks like it was not us but someone else who went through that… that world is gone forever…
Comment by niloufer — June 29, 2007 @ 6:32 pm |
The sunday mid day today has an interview with Nida fazli the last of the great lyricists. He has touchingly and lovingly spoken of Sahir Ludhianvi and the importance of words.
” “According to me real history is written by poets and artistes and it is in this history that you can see the common man. But these days poetry has no place in books, in filmsongs in newspapers.
If poetry has any place left it’s in Parliament where politicians recite Urdu couplets to elicit claps and even then they recite the couplets of great poets out of metre, they always distort the metre.
“Writers like Abbas, Jaan Nisar Akhtar, Sahir, Ali Sardar Jaffri, Neeraj, Raja Mehndi Ali Khan, they all knew the beauty of words. Today anybody can write.
They don’t require qualification. The argument about old songs and nostalgia is not valid. Nothing is old if it is meaningful — Shakespeare is never outdated.
“Every poet must know history, culture and what went before him to make any impact. Awareness is a must. Even a youngster can write good lyrics/poetry provided he qualifies himself.
I’ve loved earlier poets — Sahir’s work like Chalo ik baar phir se ajnabi or Ye duniya agar mil bhi jaaye to kya hai, Jan Nissar Akhtar’s Ye dil aur unki nigahon ke saaye or Razia Sultan’s Ai dile nadaan Shailendra’s Jis desh mein ganga behti hai where he says, ‘Kuch log jo jyada jaante hain insaan ko kum pehchante hain.’”
This is the link
http://www.mid-day.com/smd/play/2007/july//160160.htm
he was so right in his sentiments of the present situation. He has spoken of how Sahirs tomb is all but broken in the cemetery.It has not stood the test of time.
Comment by Jatin Lall — July 1, 2007 @ 2:46 pm |
Jatin Lallji, you are 150% right. Lyrics , there is no lyrics at all in recent songs. I do not know whether this is right, but people say that lyrics are outsourced to by some writers, so that they can make a lot of money, doing little work. In fact the joke going around is that, some bhelpuri bhejne wala also write these outsourced lyrics. In fact it is part time job for these bhelpuri sellers. The quality of words chosen sounds like the lyrics is not written with feelings.
Comment by gajanan — July 2, 2007 @ 3:56 am |
LOl..I do not know about the bhel puri wallaha but yes I do know of important lyricists who at their peak when incapable of handling the pressure of work have outsourced to other promising lyricist willing to give out his song for a few hundred. But since the famed lyricist had his reputation at stake, he was careful about his selection. Today Im afraid the situation is bad. Quality is not expected , nor appreciated nor available. Its all about popularity and catering to the lowest common denominator.
Comment by Jatin Lall — July 2, 2007 @ 3:17 pm |
Jatin ji, Gajanan Ji,
After i read what you both have written i began to think that the possible reason for this is our heroes…in those days all our heroes were grown up men, like Dilip kumar, balraj sahni, Dharmendra, manoj Kumar, and so many others, today even if they reach 40 they are boys…see Aamir, saif, shahrukh, they all want to play college students. so the lyrics are also always meaningless and most basic. Everything has changed. Those days only grown ups were allowed to see films. I was allowed only one film in two months and that too if my mom went with us. today you go to any multiplex it is full of college kids. Dont you think I am right? if heavy lyrics come then these children will not enjoy it. Also if one song which has funny words becomes a hit… all will follow.
Comment by niloufer — July 2, 2007 @ 4:40 pm |
Shishir ji, I understand .Please do not worry. For us here you are first a historian and critic.
Niloufer ji, gajanan ji and jatin ji..good debate. I wonder why it is that the ‘lowest common denominator’ was more quality conscious in the 50’s 60’s and even 70’s? we are supposed to be progressing in every area…why have we gone down in lyrics? and referring to nilouferji..why do we want kids as heroes today? its as if the youth dictate all tastes..isnt it?
Comment by Krishnan — July 2, 2007 @ 7:10 pm |
nilouferji, truth is, demand decides quality of the product…in that golden era, didn’t sahir write ‘dekh idhar aye hasina, june ka hai mahina, daal zulfon ka saya, aa raha hai pasina’? majrooh wrote, ‘geedh ka tu uncle bandar ka tu baap’, jaan nisar akhtar’s ‘chana zor garam …moongphali garam garam’, qamar jalalabadi’s ‘o meri lugayi lugayi yahan aa’ n ‘murgiyon ka shorba pilaoonga tujhe’, Raja m.a.k.’s ‘honolulu’, hongkong china mina singapore’ n ‘kenya uganda tanganika’type meaningless lyrics, s.h.bihari’s ‘chal beta left chal beta right’, aziz kashmiri’s ‘suno suno miss chatterji mere dil ka matterji’, rajinder krishna’s ‘huyi wo jooton ki barsaat tabiyat saaf ho gayi’, tanvir naqvi’s ‘pee le bidi kha le paan’…the list is endless. n today hw many listeners go for naqsh lyallpuri’s ‘apni zulfein mere shano pe bikhar jaane do’ or sayeed qadri’s ‘aawarapan banjarapan’? fact is, ace lyricists too can turn ‘bhelpuriwallas’ as n when required…so what i feel, truth of the market should be accepted healthily…munshi premchand once wrote, ‘buzurgon ka waqt khushiyon bhare bhootkaal, taqleefon bhare vartamaan aur vinaash-yukt bhavishya ki baatein karne me kat-ta hai’….kahin hum bhi unhi buzurgon me shamil hone to nahin jaa rahe hain?
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 2, 2007 @ 8:04 pm |
They wrote that lyrics and they wrote some great ones also, which compensated for their light ones. There are numerous excellent ones of the lyricists mentioned. Now you do not get the great ones, which is what we want to point out. The newcomers are free to indulge in their Pani Kum wali lyrics, but at the same time they have to produce high quality stuff like what Sahir, Shailendra produced.
Now for example compare Shahryar’s lyrics in 1981, Umrao Jaan to Javed Akhtar’s lyrics in the recent Umrao Jaan. There is so much difference. You can see the ripe intellect in Shahryar’s lyrics , whereas , Javed Akhtar’s lyrics looks like he has to catch the 10:20 am ka Churuchgate fast local from Bandra, carrying the pen, paper and a wad pav straight into the first class compartment. To many it may sound good , but when you compare with Shahryar’s lyrics , you will feel a big let down. So when one compares , you have to compare elegantly and dilgently with references and standards.
Comment by gajanan — July 3, 2007 @ 5:10 am |
my track-record clearly states whether i write WITH or WITHOUT references…cn any ‘vidwaan’ provide a formula to make a film or music a big hit? cn any ‘vidwaan’ tell why ‘apni zulfein’ or ‘awarapan banjarapan’ (or many other such songs including those of 2dayz umraojaan)failed to make big despite having good music n good lyrics? see, this is ‘market’which compells ‘sahir’ to write ‘mahina n pasina’ n ‘NAUSHAD” to make ‘thandi me pasina chale…’ n the same decides what is a ‘hit’ n what is a ‘flop’. nw the generations hv changed n simultaneously changed the interests, lifestyles, culture etc.etc. ‘nadiya ke paar’ was made for the indians keeping villagers in mind…n after many years the same was remade, keeping in mind the NRI’s…anyway, this ‘bahas’ is endless n i think fruitless also kyonki at last ‘pasand apni apni, khyaal apna apna……’
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 3, 2007 @ 7:41 am |
krishnanji ur post no.569….u askd for the anecdotes from my experience…sir i wud like to tell about munavvar sultana first who was a big name in late 40’s n early 50’s but today no one knows who she was n where she is now…n the people who remember her think she is no more…sir, she started her career opposite motilal in pehli nazar (1947), same film mukesh became playback singer with (dil jalta hai to jalne de…). umadevi (tuntun)’s first song ‘afsana likh rahi hoon’ in ‘dard’ was picturised on munavvar only n also ‘milte hi ankhein dil hua deewana kisi ka’ in ‘babul’….she is alive, stays with his son’s family in mumbai only but is suffering from acute alzheimer’s desease for last 12 years n doesn’t recognise anything, nor can speak…i met her, tried to speak to her but all in-vein….ofcourse his son n daughter cooperated n then only i cud write about her….sir, i’v seen the truth hidden behind glamour n glitters….remember sharda? or mubaraq begum? or joy mukerji, rajindernath, bela bose, ‘zeenat’ famed kalyanibai, ‘rattan’ famed manju, pt.pheroje dastoor, shyama, nimmi, nayna sahu n many more? or ‘ranjeet movietone’s sardar chandulal shah’s son naveen shah?….i know them n met all of them…sir, the truth is really bitter…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 3, 2007 @ 10:35 am |
sorry krishnanji…i’v written ‘his’ in place of ‘her’ in 2 places… really i get emotional while writing about these legends…sorry once again…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 3, 2007 @ 10:41 am |
Shishir ji..Thank you for the information. Munavvar sultana you are referring to is the one who is an actress. After reading your post i looked up on google for her snaps but could not find any.i found a link to her films
http://beta.lyricsindia.net/vyakti/show/1237/
there is another Munawwar sultana who is a singer and poet, but she is different i think. The other names you have mentioned like shyama, nimmi, naina sahu etc have not been heard of for a long time. Do tell us of them too.
todays senior citizens have learnt their lessons from the mistakes of the past generation who did not put much emphasis on savings and health and retirement plans. or they might have been in a better plight. it is so sad to hear of them in such bad shape.
Comment by Krishnan — July 3, 2007 @ 12:38 pm |
Shishir ji..I agree with what you are saying but like gajanan ji pointed out, a few mediocre ones in a list of excellent can go unnoticed. But today it is the opposite..the majority are chalta hai and a few are worth mentioning like you have quoted those. The market demands this is exactly what we are saying or asking. Why is the market going for stuff which is not quality? we were discussing trends which lead to that.Awaarapan has done very well and lyrics have been admired. The thing is that if music directors and directors decide to put one chalu song and the rest with focus on lyrics the market will automatically get good songs. But the type of films today u can see,..that is why majority flop. Good makers too are not there.
Comment by niloufer — July 3, 2007 @ 1:00 pm |
nilouferji, who is responsible for it? the md or lyricist? no…he can’t gv anything at his own. whatever he creates is controlled by the captain of the ship i.e. the director…n the dir. is dominated by the financer/producer whose money is involved in the project…n all of them r like puppets in distributor’s hands who buys the film for release…n distributor is scared of the audience…so sitting in a/c rooms one can easily criticise n gv verdict wh’as ground realities are entirely different…film making is an art unfortunately dominated by money power thus full of insecurities …n lakshmi aur saraswati ke beech ki chemistry to sub jaante hi hain…n v see only the hits of that golden era…if v c, will find many folds of flops behind one hit in that period also…in that era most of the ‘halke-phulke’ songs usd to be made for comediens…johnywalker used to sing ‘champi tel malish’ bt nw the scenerio is different, hero himself has bcm a comedien thus singing ‘tujhe mirchi lagi to mai kya karoon’ on screen…aur phir generations hv changed, thus has changed the taste…today very few people love to listen ‘awarapan’…most of the people like ‘bheege honth tere…raat bhar karoon pyaar (ya aisa hi kuchh)….aise me wo kya karey who hs spent crores of rupees from his pocket? no one wants ki uski film ka haal gulzar ki ‘libaas’ jaisa ho which is a good film with good music….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 3, 2007 @ 6:54 pm |
krishnanji, munavvar s. i talked about was a heroine and not a singer or poet…information avlbl about her on NET is not correct…she acted in around 30 films starting frm ‘pehli nazar'(1945/mstknly typed 1947 in my previous cmmnt)…some other films are andhon ki duniya, dard, elaan, naiya (all 1947), meri kahani, majboor, sona, parayi aag (all 1948), opn’s first film kaneez, dil ki duniya, sawan-bhadon, nisbat, dada, raat ki rani, uddhaar (all 1949), pyaar ki manzil, sabak, sartaaz, babul (all 1950), apni izzat, tarang (1952), ehsaan, watan (1954) n her last film jallaad (1956). so far her pictures r cncrnd i hv a few but don’t know hw to send to u….similarly nayna sahu was in news in 60’s…she acted in ‘hare kaanch ki choodiyan’ (remember sj’s ‘dhani chnri pahan’ n ‘panchhi re ud ja re’?) n ‘pushpanjali (lp’s ‘shaam dhale jamuna kinare’ n ‘jaane chale jaate hain kahan’), both prdcd by her father kishore sahu (who introduced bina rai in kaali ghata) n then left glamourworld n got married…now she is mrs.nayna rao in her 60’s n is residing in chembur mumbai…coincidentally one of her brothers actor vikram sahu is a gd frnd of mine n was one of the bros. in ‘satte pe satta’…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 3, 2007 @ 8:32 pm |
The NRI population has multiplied so much alongside with the web etc. This could be one of the causes for the ratio of lyrics to tilt more towards the chalu type. You are right on that point SKS. After all the conversion rate of the currency is there , plus the NRI’s look towards glamour in their country of origin as very advanced culture, which one feels is very delusory. It could be a very big factor for the decline of lyrics. There may be NRI’s exceptions to this , but the number will be very low.
Comment by gajanan — July 4, 2007 @ 6:13 am |
yes gajananji…n the major reason is, ‘globalisation’ has put such an impact on our (n may be on other’s too) society that our culture has bcm like ‘khichdi’. we want to bcm ‘angrez’ but can’t get fully cut off from our roots. cn anybody dare to make ‘ghoonghat’ today when ‘bahus’ wear jeans or minis? cn any md or lyricist create ‘laage na mora jiya’ when 2dayz generation goes for ‘ticket to hollywood’ or ‘aye ganpat daru la’ type songs? ofcourse there are a few banners like ‘chopras’ or ‘bhatts’ who hv gutts to make their kind of good films with good music bcoz they r established ones with great reputation n r so confident that they work on their own terms n conditions. n at last, if present generations were not so different from those of 50’s n 60’s, one of 2dayz most talented MD ismail darbar wud hv bn very very busy. unfotunately he has no work today despite giving ‘hum dil…’ n ‘devdas’….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 4, 2007 @ 7:56 am |
Ssishirji,
Mediocrity has become the order of the day.These bogus people in the name of art scratch each other’s back, manage to get into every frame everywhere and if any one dare criticize them, he is quickly exiled to social Siberia.
During the last 10-15 years has this industry made even one movie which could equal the cinematic excellence of Do Bigha Zameen, Awaara, Shikast, Pyaasa, Sri 420, Garam Coat, Do AAnkhe Barah Hath,Jagte Raho, Foothpath, Boot polish, Kagaz Ke Phool, Satyakam, Anand, Anari,Aandhi etc? Have you now even one poet of the calibre of Sahir,Shailendra, Majrooh and Shakeel? Or a singer of the class of Rafi, Lata, Mukesh, Manna dey, Talat or Hemanta? Or music-directors like Shankar-Jaikishan, Naushad, C. Ramchandra, O P Nayyar, SD Burman? The point is you all are celebrating your own mediocrity and then congratulating each other to feel secure.
The actors today are pathetic a lot. Roshan’s son does pyrotechnics and it is mistaken for acting. Shah Rukh has one and a half expression with a crooked smile of the south-west corner of his lips and he gets voted as the best actor for god knows how many years. Others looks like body-builders. Where are the Balraj Sahnis, Raj Kapoors, Dilip and Ashok Kumars, Motilals and Jayants, David, Meena Kumaris and Nutans? Except Nasruddin, Shabana , Paresh and some character actors ,what does this fraternity boast of?
Few really talented ones also lost their direction. Take the example of Javed Akhtar. By using the model of James hadley Chase in his earlier film scripts,he spawned the trend of un-required violence and gore in Hindi films. The films he wrote were time-pass o.k. stuff but unfortunately , now trivia like Sholay and others are treated as classics. Stupid monologues and dialogues of these films have become cult lines. “Arre O Samba! “Kitne Aadmi they!”…admirers of such prose should be whacked across their faces. I at least expect something more from him who once wrote ,even if many years back…..
“Apni apni tariqi ko log ujala kehte hain
Tariqi ke naam likkhu, ya kaume ,firaqay jaat likhun”
Comment by arun bajaj — July 4, 2007 @ 12:10 pm |
Wow!
Arun ji 🙂
If possible do read my movie reviews.. Almost mirrored some of my thought on ‘mediocrity being celebrated’ in the self same words, among all else .
Although I do not agree about Hrithik. He is a Directors actor.. Make him perform to ‘do bigha zameen’.. he will. Javed Akhtar, Neeraj Saheb, Nida Fazli are our last hope in the industry. Bowing down to pressures may be the adversity these and other great talents face on a daily basis but we atleast some of us can sense the brilliance behind the veil ..That goes for artists in any field today, actors, musicians, Directors, writers, lyricists, Its not as if our country has suddenly got impoverished on the creative front. Its the takers, read backers who are diminishing.
Unfortunately since all Art is also Commerce, the conundrum continues.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — July 4, 2007 @ 12:23 pm |
u r 101% correct arunji…but the real artistes (in any field) hv no market today…i’v seen if someone tries to perform seriously, people say, ‘arre yaar dilip kumar mat ban’ or ‘yaar ham koi mughal-e-azam nahin bana rahe hain’…the most common word heard in industry these days is ‘chhapo’…means mint money at any cost…i personally feel, still we hv good artistes like ismail darbar, shantanu moitra, mm kreem, jatin-lalit
(halanki wo khud apne paanv par kulhadi maar chuke hain), sandesh shandilya, uttam singh, lyricists anil pandey, mehboob, swanand kirkirey, sayeed qadri actors mainly from theatre-background etc.etc. but where do they stand today so far commercial cinema is concrnd? on the other hand we hv ‘sameer’ who has ‘brain’ to write 10 songs a day(?). since lakshmi has dominated every aspect of life, saraswati’s absence is obvious…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 4, 2007 @ 1:11 pm |
‘TUM NA JAANE KIS JAHAN ME KHO GAYE…….’ doesn’t this line fit for mr.murty rajmundry waale n mr.cumrao n some other friends? long time no see? where n how are u sir?
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 4, 2007 @ 8:28 pm |
I am a latecomer to this site.This is a real revelation to me.I spent 2 hours just going through all the writeups.
Thanks for sharing your memories of Sri O.P.Nayyar.I wish some one will write more about songs of Talat by O.P.There are not many but they are all gems.
Is there any omnibus collection of CDs or DVDs of O.P.Nayyar’s music?
Ramamurthy
Comment by Subramanian Ramamurthy — July 4, 2007 @ 9:44 pm |
warm welcome to you subramaniam sahab…i was under impression that i was the only late(st)comer… anyway i failed to retain my position…so far talat is concrnd, he sang total 3 songs for OPN in 2 films…1 solo n 2 duets…n these are 1.(solo) – mujhe dekho hasrat ki tasveer hoon mai/film baaz (1953)/lyrics.majrooh/prod.ms.haridarshan/dir.gurudutt (haridarshan kaur was geeta bali’s sister n yogita bali’s mother), 2 & 3.(duets with asha bhosle) – pyar par bas to nahi hai mera lekin phir bhi… & sach bata tu mujhpe fida arey kyon hua aur kaise hua / film sone ki chidiya (1958)/ lyrics.sahir ludhiyanvi/prod.ismat chugtai/dir.her husband shahid lateef (he also directed opn’s baharein phir bhi aayengi)…talat acted in this film with balraj sahni n nutan…….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 4, 2007 @ 10:37 pm |
Welcome Subramaniam ji,
Ashraft Saheb here has the collection. Right now as Shishir ji has said.. woh na jaane kis jahaan mein kho gaye..LOL ..He will be here soon and so many others who will help you out with your collection.
Nice to meet you
Krishnan
Comment by krishnan — July 4, 2007 @ 11:06 pm |
Aping and copying western ideas has been responsible for this, Arunji. There used to be saying that camera must speak and not the actors. There were films like Jagte Raho etc , which had the cameras speak and not the actors. Now with this gadgetry and computer graphics , you can do anything and record songs anyway. The future entirely depends on technology and how they use or misuse it in films. I feel , in the long run , viewers and listeners may get bored and they may long to see drama in a theatre.
Comment by gajanan — July 5, 2007 @ 7:18 am |
Yun to hamne lakh … dekhen hain , aap sa nehin dekha shishirji,
I am going through your writings and others too regularly and daily atleast i open this site 5~6 times. My only request is when ever you are free please upload the songs of “Mukaddar ki baat”.
regards,
G N Murty , Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — July 5, 2007 @ 10:44 am |
zaroor…buss aap iss blog par baney rahein murtyji…pl keep on opening this blog any no. of times u like but don’t forget to post atleast one comment a day…one thing more, u left a blank space in ‘yun to humne laakh… dekhe hain’…pl do fill this blank…thanks…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 5, 2007 @ 10:52 am |
Some things don’t ever change, Gajananji which we call “Shashwat” in our language. A boy will always like to kick a football, a girl will always smile at the thought of her Prince Charming. In our case our new generation have been totally hijacked by the western culture but in the process they have adopted the negative influence of the west. They don’t feel pride in their own culture and heritage and just imitating the west like an ape.Where the species of urban civilisation has gone which wept over Faiz’s poetry , laughed with R.K. tramp, stood in polite queues to take their turn and recited from Shakespeare and Ghalib? Technology is only a tool and this over dependence on technology has ruined our art and culture.
Shishirji, very rightly, has talked about Lakshmi and Sarswati. People are hankerig after money. The rich man wants to become richer but they don’t know, how hard he hugs his money, it never hugs back.It is only in India that wealth is worshipped so unabashedly. In no other country, there is a God or Goddess of wealth. Now the question is why rich man wants to become richer? What can you do with 50 crores which you can’t do with 5 crores? Will ice-cream taste better?
Comment by arun bajaj — July 5, 2007 @ 7:57 pm |
shishirji,
I too add my request to G.N.Murty’s. Pl. post somehow the songs of muqaddarki baat.
I am going through all your recent posts everyday, as my last activity before I go to bed, to forget the day’s worries and concerns. You seem to be a walking encyclopedia on Hindi songs( may be other also I dont know). i learnt a lot about the good old days and regret that those innocent days could never come back.
Comment by cumrao — July 5, 2007 @ 7:59 pm |
Subramanyamji,
Welcome to the group. You are right about Talat. Those few songs sung by him for OP are gems. i posted a video of Mujhe dekho hasrat, the Baaz song mentioned by Shishirji in this pod , but a wrong tag got attached to that. The more no. of times I hear that the more I am liking it. It is really very haunting melody. Pyar par basto nahin of soneki chidiya, of course is well known hit. But, Mujhe dekho hasrat of Baaz is a hidden Gem.
Comment by cumrao — July 5, 2007 @ 8:09 pm |
My friends overseas inform me that , there is very good repsonse to theatre , esp the musicals. In fact West end in UK theatre goes full, which is a good sign away from the artificial computer graphics created visuals. It is like this, the audience is maturing and they have realised that , even Gajananji after retirement can created a movie with computers sitting at home. I think it is not far off , it will soon happen in India. Audiences will change , get bored and it will be back to theatre and good old days of good camera power.
Comment by gajanan — July 6, 2007 @ 4:22 am |
Here I put a question to all the elders like Cumraoji, Shishirji, Arunji and Gajananji,
Recently , I was watching a musical programme (talent search) on Zee TV and the participants were divided into few groups and each group has one guide or guru. These guru’s are present day composers like Vishal-Sekhar, Himesh Reshamiyya , Ismail Darbar and Bappi Lahiri. The episodes were judged by legends like Khayyam saab, Anandji saab(Kalyanji Anandji fame) and Asha Bhosle. Almost all the gurus are seen critisising the judgment of these legends. My question is , is it fair on the part of junior / present day composers to critisise the judgment of such seniors ? Atleast I felt very bad. Can Ismail Darbar or Bappi Lahiri or Himesh be compared with the musical legends like OPN , SDB , SJ or Khaiyyam ? Are they so capable composers and can they criticize the work or the decision of these legends ? Why I became so emotional because I could see the pain of Khayyam saab when these so called composers were critising him publicly that his judgment is wrong and compelling the participants to tell that they are not happy with the judgment (though later they apologized for doing so). Everybody knows the quality of music composed by these composers and it is not acceptable that the present day music composers should behave this way towards their seniors.
Regards,
G N Murty , Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — July 6, 2007 @ 1:26 pm |
murty saheb, i don’t know much about today’s music yet i like ismail darbar’s and to some extent bappi’s since both of them hv given melodious songs whenever they got a chance (remember bappi’s ‘muskurata hua…mera yaar’, ‘awaaz di hai’, ‘kisi nazar ko tera intezar’, ‘inteha hogayi’, ‘sheesha sharaab shabnam’ n many others n ismail’s classical based songs?). so far himesh is cncrnd he is like a ‘barsati mendhak’ who only knows ‘madhya saptak ke pancham se taar ke madhyam tak singing in baraats’ n talking about him is simply waste of time, thats what i feel (sorry to hurt his fans, if any on this blog). but it is not necessary that a good artiste is always a good human being. one’s behaviour, nature n respect for elders depend upon his upbringing, family background, ‘sanskaar’, schooling etc. secondly often such ‘dramas’ are preplanned to give a boost to the TRP’s of the show. therefore whatever happened on the said show, may be it was a part of the script. n then money is the biggest factor after which everybody is running be it a senior or a newcomer…i can’t resist myself to divulge the fact here that money is everything for khayyam saheb(with due respect to him) …if you don’t believe, please ask him for an interview, even for a local newspaper of your town(n this is not only my personal experience but every insider knows it)….sir, what i feel, the ‘artist’ n ‘human’ aspects of a personality shud always be kept n seen seperately. that’s what i did n still do in nayyar sahebs case. i was, am n will remain an admirer n diehard fan of ‘music dir.’OPN but so far he, as a human being is concerned, i hv already tlked much about him….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 6, 2007 @ 11:24 pm |
Shishir ji you as an insider knows details most of us do not..so what you have written can be understood.For audiences like me and Murthy ji it looked like Khayyam saheb was being insulted by Ismail darbar. Age sometiimes gives a person an added advantage of leniency. But if wht you are saying is true which it must be then probably that is what Ismail darbar knew and spoke up against. Then in that case Asha Bhonsle had made an openly wrong decision by inclusing a bad singer and throwing out a very talented one ..few episodes back. which Bhappi lahiri and all others spoke up against also Ismail.. so Asha was clearly prejudiced for reasons best known to her. I forget the name of the two girls.. age is never a friend. These shows then are a total hoax.
Comment by Krishnan — July 7, 2007 @ 3:43 pm |
krishnanji, the whole game is that of TRP only…3-4 days back there was a sensational news on one of the leading news channels when a car without anyone inside was running on road in ahmedabad n many hours had been dedicated to this news…n anchor was screaming like roadside ‘madaris’, ‘dil thaam ke baithiye kuchh hi der me hum iska khulasa karne jaa rahe hain’…n the said ‘khulasa’ was nothing but simply a stunt prformed by two stuntmen running with car on road…’khoda pahaad nikla chooha’ but certainly their TRP was on the top during that period of time thus helping the channel more n more money. i’ll once again repeat, whatever the media presents before us is only ‘ardhsatya’. everybody present on this earth has many faces n what we see, doesn’t mean is one’s real face…everybody seen on the screen gets fat amount of money for his presence…he can never dare to lose this opportunity be it ismail or asha or bappi or khyyam saheb or anybody else…atlast i wud say, we should do only constructive and positive talks on this blog…a star of ‘silent’ era (madhuri) is still alive and is probably the only surviving artist of that period. she acted in many silent films of ‘ranjit studio’ (eg: baghdad ki bulbul, ghoonghatwali, love-birds, royal romance-all 1931) n is an anglo-indian n is residing in banglore. similarly husn bano who acted n sang in naushad’s first film prem nagar (1940) still lives in codaicanal. has anybody ever met them? how are they now? must be very old. if smbdy cn, pl do try to meet them….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 7, 2007 @ 10:08 pm |
Thanks Gajanan for reminding me of “Jagte Raho”. Raj Kapoor in jagte raho is just mesmerizing. There is no acrobatics, no special effects, he fires no shots, pulls no punches, displays no biceps, doesn’t bare his chest……still the sheer power of performance keeps you spell bound. In fact, he doesn’t utter a single word except in last ten minutes of the film, still you cannot take your eyes off the screen. He was perhaps the most natural and effortless actor of hindi cinema.
Today when every hero seems to come from a gym. ,we miss the “Raju” , who stood for human relationship, who cared for others, who was ready for sacrifice, who loved and lost but kept smiling.
Regarding musical hunt show on tv (zee- sony- star), from ismaail darbar to aadesh to abhijeet, all are jokers and none is competent enough to judge the show.
Comment by arun bajaj — July 8, 2007 @ 3:36 am |
There is a saying ” Jealousy is the bane of slave races” . The present day composers questioning Khayyam is like eating the obesity causing Pizza to stomach friendly dhall bath. These present day composers are caught up in the sinking sand of pale imitation of Western tunes and have become slaves to anything Western. There are helpless and plain jealous about the achievements of the yesteryear composers and lyric writers. It looks like an act of self defence pyschologically to their pathetic musical notes. You can confirm with any psychiatarist about these loud proclaimations of self defence, when questioned by men and women of excellence.
One should call them barking dogs at the Sun.
Khayyam, OPN Nayyar, SD Burman, SJ, LP , ( and even KA) Jaidev, Vasant Desai, C Ramachandra, Naushad are all bright stars of the music firmament, with lyricists providing them exemplary lyrics like the rays of the glowing Sun. Their contribution will be permanent. Now to come of this new MD’s , their contribution will be sucked up in black holes of the galaxy, and nobody will ever utter them , for years to come. You can even end saying ” Bandar Kya Jane Adrak Ka Swad” . Yes , their frivolous arguements sums up this quote and the quote written at start.
Comment by gajanan — July 8, 2007 @ 1:00 pm |
Arunji,
Your comments on Raj in jaagte raho are very apt. Raj kapoor was a class apart in Indian films in histrionic talent. However it must be admitted, without detracting anything from Raj’s merit, that he was India’s answer to Charlie Chaplin.
However, in Jaagte raho, he departed from that and shown his own abundant talent for creativeness in performance. I personally consider his Jaagte raho performance was the best ever in Hindi films. But, still he could not win the filmfare award for that year.
As you said, he proved one point mentioned by Charlie chaplin, that vocal dialogues obviate the necessity of facial expressions of the actor, and the true talent does not come out. That was why Chaplin made silent movies like Modern Times even after evolution of talkies.
Comment by cumrao — July 8, 2007 @ 7:55 pm |
Any response to broadcast OP Nayyar’s songs on July 28th from any radio station globally?
Comment by gajanan — July 9, 2007 @ 8:45 am |
Kavee,
I hope you like the `address’!
As advised, I am here on `sachiniti’! And, unimginable good have you done to me !! I didn’t know that there were people as mad about OP Nayyar as me !!!
The whole day, on that fateful day of January, I had been asking my acquaintances to sing whatever OP numbers they could ! I was lucky, they obliged !
There have not been occasions when I had a `choice’ and I didn’t ask for an OP song to be sung- whether in close groups or in the biggest functions of the places where I have lived !
Fortunately for me, I have also been incharge of all sports & cultural activities at Bhilai for a few years and had his songs rendered on all possible occasions !
Kavee, I reproduce below your own comments from this very column, before I close :
“Puja,
why just the industry.. I think it is true of the universe in general.Nobody has time to maaintain ties ..emotions are the most useless emotion to nurture in these days of materialism..
Anonymous.. yeah. Come to think of it. He seems to have taken on the struggle for himself. I maybe wrong but I sensed a detachment and yogic air about him. He did not the least look as if he was cursing his situation or juncture in life. Very resigned to it and witnessing it all with a calm. The smile on his face seemed to say it all.
Monica..He was before my times too. but his music is timeless. We grew up with R.D., but I loved O.P. always. And still do. He is unmatchable and inimitable..
Silbil,
yes.. I loved the song you mentioned..’woh hans ke mille humse’ is also from the same film and Kaifi Azmi..The last of the mohicans..kaifi Saab.You remember ‘waqt ne kiya kya haseeen sittum’ from Kaagaz ke phool? Neither those makers. nor lyrics, nor music..Itna thehraav. Today everything has to be pulsating alive or then it is re-mixed to be so. Wonder why?”
Tremendous ! I would say !!
And, would close for the time being, with memories of “Jaaiye aap kahaan jaayenge ye nazar laut ke phir aayegi…” & ” Priyatam aan milo.. Priyatam aan milo.. dukhiyaa jiyaa bulaaye, Priyatam aan milo..(`Gair filmi’, sung by C H Atma, music-composed by the `great’
OP Nayyar )!”
Grateful-anil sharma.bhilai.
Comment by Anil Sharma — July 9, 2007 @ 4:25 pm |
Dear mr. curao,
It is a mystery wrapped in an enigma as to why Jagte Raho released in 1956 never received the accolades deservedly due to it in India ; though the jury of Karlovy Vary Film Festival, to make up for the injustice, did award the BEST PICTURE trophy to it in the subsequent year. In the framing of montage, in conveying meaningful symbolism, and in the lacing of dialogues with sardonic wit and black humour , the movie flows like a poem on celluloid. At a microcosmic level, Jagte Raho unwrapped the ugly face of the post-independent India in the course of one night .
The Building in which the poor villager gets trapped, symbolizes urban vice. The country tramp’s expectation is nothing more than water from this vice centre. For such a simple, basic need he is branded as a thief and the resident – occupants organize themselves to hound and slaughter him as they would to a man-eater. The dehumanized pursuit, in an interesting series of events, exposes the underbelly of the moral brigade. The thirsty person finally reaches his nemesis in a counterpoint whose subtext is very subtly woven in the movie to possibly keep the belief in optimism alive ; and perhaps to hope for a better India shorn of corruption, capitalism and hypocrisy.
Raj Kapoor’s eyes did all the talking. Here was an actor who did not require the crutches of words to convey what he did convey. Those helpless, begging, fearful, quizzical eyes carried pools of eloquence. No actor in the history of Hindi cinema has ever risen to such heights to render such a flawless performance. The ensemble of cast comprising of Motilal, Pahari Sanyal, Smiriti Biswas and Pradeep Kumar fitted their roles to a T. The lusty Bhangra song was an indictment of society’s double-talk and hypocrisy and cut to the quick. . Incidentally, Bhangra genre was introduced for the first time in Jagte Raho and it was only a year later that OP Nayyar re-introduced the bhangra in Naya Daur with spectacular results in 1957.
Our film-historians mindlessly parrot the names of only Mother India, Mughal-e-Azam and Sholay when asked to name the All Time Greats. You know why. Some suffer from amnesia while some are wet-behind-the-ears brats; and you cant expect anything worthwhile from these clowns. Let Ignorance be their fate and let them drown in the cesspool of their own making.
Comment by arun bajaj — July 9, 2007 @ 5:03 pm |
As Geeta Dutt’s death anniversary is in july, I felt like writing few lines on this simple, talented and graceful lady. How can we forget her….she is fossilized in our heart.
Geeta never sang, she just wafted through a tune. And under OPN and SDB baton she developed into a really hep singer who could belt out any number…..soft, sultry, romantic, snappy, teasing or tragic. Lata was in awe of her and though better trained, she couldn’t match her vocal vitality and vivacity. Lata avoided confronting Geeta in the recording room as far as possible. Geeta could sing keertan and club song with equal ease.
Whether the number be “mera naam chin-chin choo” or “chor lutere daaku”, she had the God given gift of sounding sensuous without sounding salacious.She had a bright, breezy voice….no female singer better articulated the spirit of OPN’s music in it’s early years better than her. Hear her “hey-hey-hey-hey….heyhey”(baazi) or “chik-chick-chick-cha, cha –chhai, chick-chik –chik –cha, cha-chhai” (kala bazaar)……..the songs would stuck to you for days to come. If life sucks just put one of the jazzy and breezy number of Geeta Dutt and she will transport you to the another world.
She was “thandi hawa” and “kaali ghata” for her fans.
Comment by arun bajaj — July 9, 2007 @ 8:11 pm |
Welcome Anil ji,
Oh yes.. I loved the ‘address’.
I am so glad you are also a fan of O P ji. As is evident here, we are all so overwhelmed by him and others like him who have gifted us moments of pure ecstasy. In the vodpod video collection, by clicking on the header, the “Home’ page will open up with a category ‘OP nayyars hits’.. you will find quite a few of his songs there for your listening pleasure.
Friends Mr. Anil Sharma I met at Sulekha in the comment section of one of my posts:
http://kaveetaakaul.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/06/touch-me-not-girls-boys-under-vigilance-in-schools/comments.htm
Do share your views on music with us Anil ji.
@Arun ji,
You said ..”Geeta never sang, she just wafted through a tune.”..so true. Effortless, intuitive and soulful renderings will always be her hallmark. “Na jaao saiyyan chuda ke baiyyan’ a telling example.Inimitable!!
Incidentally it was Guru Dutts birth anniversary yesterday..9th July. His death shattered her ..
This is what Op ji had to say of Geeta Dutt:
“” ……….Who will deny there is a unique quality to her singing. Give her a blatantly westernized tune this moment and a complex classical composition the next, and she will do equal justice to both with an ease of expression which a singer can only be born with. She is particularly good for songs accompanying boisterous jamborees. With that tantalizing lilt and fascinating curves she puts into her singing,she is the ideal choice if it is seductive allure you want in a song……..Geeta Dutt is an asset to any music director. ”
Her own ten favourites as reported:
The ten songs she selected then represented definite landmarks in her singing career. They are
‘Mat ja mat ja jogi’ (Jogan – 1950 ) This was her own personal favourite.
‘Mera sundar sapna beet gaya’ (Do Bhai – 1947 )
‘Na yeh chand hoga’ (Shart – 1954 )
‘Tadbir se bigdi hui taqdeer’ (Baazi – 1951 )
‘Yeh lo main hari piya’ (Aar Paar – 1954 )
‘Khayalon mein kisike’ (Baawre Nain – 1950 ) with Mukesh
‘Aaj sajan mohe ang laga lo’ (Pyaasa – 1957 )
‘Jaane kya tunhe kahi’ (Pyaasa – 1957 )
‘Ae dil mujhe bata de’ (Bhai Bhai – 1956 )
‘Hai yeh duniya kaunsi’ (Sailaab – 1956 )
AS reported “Some of Geeta’s best work for e.g. ‘Waqt ne kiya kya haseen sitam’ from Kaagaz ke Phool(1959), ‘Chale aao, chale aao’ from Sahib Bibi aur Ghulam (1962) and the songs of Anubhav (1971) were to come later and naturally they do not find a place in that list.”
For more on Geeta Dutt read here..well compiled page.
http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/ducksoup/26/GeetaDutt.htm
So thoughtful of you to remember her death anniversary Arun ji and bring us to pay our tributes.
Thank you.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — July 10, 2007 @ 11:04 am |
aahh..Geeta Dutt..Thank you arun ji for reminding us. I have always felt so sad for the life that both Geeta and Guru dutt had to finally face. I had friends who lived close to their home. She had turned into an absolute recluse..poor thing. Yes alcohol was the effect but the cause was first her husband and waheedas romance and then his death..she killed herself if not suicide like him then drinking. Now I believ her son too has committed suicide.My gos so much talent that we are still remembering her but so much unhappiness. God doesnt give everybody everything or then who will remember Him?
The songs of anubhav her last film still she sang so well..’koi chupke piya ke’ ..so much feeling. She was God gifted..May she rest in Peace!!
Comment by Niloufer — July 10, 2007 @ 6:01 pm |
Dear friends,
have added two songs of Geeta Dutt on the vodpod
1) Thandi hawa kaali ghata
2) Hum aapki aankhon mein is dil ko
Enjoy 🙂
Comment by kaveetaakaul — July 10, 2007 @ 6:41 pm |
Anilji,
Welcome to our group of hard core OP fans. I may be much older to you(68), but had the good fortune of having had my youth during the period, 50s and 60s, which can be called “when music was king”.
The unique, inimitable Nayyar thrilled my heart from the time of Aarpaar. As you said, there may be other great MDs but OP was always special. I tag various stages of my life with a particualarly favorite song created by Nayyar.
Comment by curao — July 10, 2007 @ 7:32 pm |
Arunji, Kaveetaa ji and Nilouferji,
Thank you all for recalling the great contribution of my Graceful Golden Geetha and mentioning some of her sultry as well as some of her heart rending soulful songs.
some of her songs most memorable to me are :Babuji dhire chalna, Khayalon me kisike, Waqt ne kiya, Chori lutere daku, jhuka jhukahai nigahon, Jaataho to jaao kal, Mera naam chin chin chinchu, Thandi thandi hawa(with Asha), Thandi hawa kali ghata(Thank you very much kaveethaji for posting this video), Bhagwan do ghadi of do bhai, ai dil hain deewane of Baaz, the many songs of Baazi, Darshan pyasi of sangdil, The Saheb bibi songs, Many songs of Jogan.
There can be no better judge than OP of a singers talents, and he was absolutely right. Give her a song of any genre and she could sing with unparalleled elan. Just recall her range from Jogi mat jaao of jogan to Mera naam chin chin chu.
I still remember the mid fifties, when OP was storming the music world, on a particular wednesday when Chori lutere daku first entered Binaka Geethmala, Geetha had the max. No. of female songs. OP-Geetha combination went that high. its a pity that OP had to abandon Geetha later owing to Asha’s jealousy.
No wonder even the great Lata was scared of her. Just imagine Lata trying Mera naam chin chin chu, or yeh raah badi mushkil of Gateway of India.
Comment by curao — July 10, 2007 @ 8:09 pm |
http://www.rediff.com/movies/2007/jul/10naya.htm
This is a web site about re release of Naya Daur. All speak , right from Gratitude to the film makers and actors , no mention of OP Nayyar. What a bloody duniya this is? I used to eat a lot of chewing gum when young , and then one day I realised that after the flavour , I spit out the gum. I found this very hopeless way of perfuming my mouth. So I stopped this habit and decided to have good dietary habits. Then I realised one thing , that I must have gratitude to those who make good food. I always thank my Wada Pav supplier once a week and my parents daily and my gurus whenever I meet them.
So friends this Chewing gum philosophy exhibited in the article in the web site mentioned is a reminder that ” Ghum hi Ghum Hai agar Insaan Chewing gum approach seriously le lo tho”
Comment by gajanan — July 11, 2007 @ 6:52 am |
Gurus bec they enlightened me about being a “Chewing gum like homosapien” Their advice struck a chord. Chod do yeh chewing gum and its philosophy, I said. Gum se phasne acha hai ki Khushi raho, Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Ghum
Comment by gajanan — July 11, 2007 @ 12:29 pm |
Gajananji..kyaa baat kahi hai aapne..So true.. I read the link and saw no mention of Op ji and it was a function to release the music!!!! it is so sad and also unbelievable. Such short memories people have..it is like raat gayi bat gayee..but this is not baat this is about Insaan and Insaaniyat.But if you think then tomorrow if some other was absent, like say the actor, he would have also been forgotten.
Or maybe asha agreed to come on condition that O P ‘s name was not mentioned..Who knows.
Aapne humour ne baat nikaal di.. acha laga..No chewing Ghum for me also
Comment by Niloufer — July 11, 2007 @ 1:52 pm |
because of your example gajananji i too have posted a comment there.We should let them know what we feel even if they dont read it somebody will and remember that O P ji gave music for this film.
Comment by Niloufer — July 11, 2007 @ 2:13 pm |
Curao ji..really enjoyed your heartflet tribute to ‘Graceful Golden Geeta’.The songs that you have mentioned speak of such great talent. Even till her last songs her voice quality remained the same..I think it was Anubhav songs..’mujhe jaan na kaho meri jaan’..even when she was so ill.
Gajananji..you did right in wrting about it on that rediff site. It is really so shocking how people can behave like this in front of the whole world and that too on a music release..itwas not even a film release that they would have ignored him. You are right gajanan ji ..after the taste goes chewing gum has to be thrown away just as we throw off the contributios of great talents like these. Great example. Niloufer ji good of you also to speak of your anger there.
Comment by Krishnan — July 11, 2007 @ 8:13 pm |
Gajananji, Niloufer ji, I have put in a comment as well on the rediff site
http://www.rediff.com/movies/2007/jul/10naya.htm
expressing my reactions on not seeing OP jis name there. Niloufer thoughtful of you to link this space. Yeah like you said one does not know for sure who is reading it. But we cannot possibly remain silent onlookers at this grave injustice.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — July 12, 2007 @ 1:37 pm |
Not mentioning O.P.Nayyar’s name at the release of songs of Naya Daur?!!!!!.absolutely shocking and unbelievable and inexcusable, cant be justified by any reason, or logic. My blood is boiling. I am upset so much that I can’t write more
Comment by curao — July 12, 2007 @ 7:02 pm |
Somewhere I read that OP Nayyar saab has sang one song for a punjabi film ” Dulha Bhatti” in the year 1938 when he was just 12 years old and even Nayyar saab acted in the same film. The film’s music director was Pandit Govind Ram and the song was ” Rab di janaab vicho aeho dil….
Really it is a surprise news for me.
G N Murty , Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — July 12, 2007 @ 7:05 pm |
Curaoji, If possible you should state your protest on the rediff site as we have done. I understand what you are feeling.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — July 12, 2007 @ 10:00 pm |
Hi Friends,
I have sent a letter to the editor of rediff site indicating that it was very disrespectful and unbecoming on part of all those involved in the Re-Launch of Naya Daur to totally ignore the deceased music maestro. I have my own doubts if my letter would have any impact.
How about taking out advertisements in the leading newspapers especially, in the Mumbai editions? The ads can be worded very politely and respectfully to highlight the musical contribution of O.P. in Naya Daur. A photograph of O.P. can be featured. At the bottom, we can include paid for by the Fans of O.P. Gajananji, Kaveetaji and others in Mumbai can work together and turn out a creative and yet forceful script. I am willing to pitch in financially. The ads should appear in Bombay/Mumbai papers because all movie moguls live there. May I count on some one to take initiative and get the ball rolling? Let us get even and not just get mad.
Recently I had to make an unplanned trip to Hyderabad. After taking care of family and personal business, I met Sri. CU Rao and G N Murty in Vijayawada.
I was so happy to meet them. Hopefully, in my next trip, I can stop over in Mumbai and have the opportunity to meet Kaveetaji and all other Post friends living in that great city.
Let us get together and make some noise so that the world does not forget Sri. O.P. NAYYAR. GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN.
Comment by Krishna Baru — July 13, 2007 @ 4:00 am |
Welcome Krishna Baru Ji. Seen your post after a long time.
G N Murty, Rajahmundry , AP
Comment by G N MURTY — July 13, 2007 @ 9:39 am |
Yesterday I saw the promos of Naya Daur on T.v and the first name that appears is OP Nayyars in the credits. In the function they have ignored Op ji maybe asha wanted that..and gajanan ji, nilofer ji and kaveetaa ji and krishna ji have written to rediff..openly.. But the chopras are giving importance to op ji in regular promos. so it should not look like we are screaming for nothing also.this is just what i think.
Comment by Krishnan — July 13, 2007 @ 1:49 pm |
It has never ceased to wonder me why a patriotic O P number like ye desh hai veer jawano ka is invariably played by all the band-wallas with much gusto while the groom’s marriage procession marches to the bride’s house. In the last 146 and odd weddings that yours truly must have attended in his life-time, not one can be faulted for not doing so. It is almost like chanting the national anthem in the “mandap” when the occasion calls for something less jingoistic. If you listen to the song carefully, Sahir’s lyrics describe the contours of India that is Bharat and not of Mona, the bride or for that matter even of Sona, the bridesmaid. . Instead of cooing “Mona ! tera kya kehna” the poet chortles “iss desh ka yaaro kya kehna”. He sings of India, its unique heritage and its varied splendours; the valour of its countrymen and the virginal innocence of its maids but amongst all this I didn’t notice the slightest reference to a man on his way to woo the woman he worships..
Perhaps Sigmund Freud alone could have found a possible explanation to this conundrum. And happily so; as the groom says that if he jumps into the battle-field, he wont be the one to recoil first, that he has a sword which has to get back to its sheath, but I am sure neither O P Nayyar nor Sahir nor B R Chopra ever thought so. So, can anyone really enlighten me why this vigorous patriotic song has been played to its torn shreds in every Indian wedding ?
Incidentally, while launching the color version of Naya Daur at Marriott hotel, Mr B R Chopra did not make even a passing reference to O P Nayyar . It is common knowledge that Naya Daur did well at the box-office, because of its music, and not because of Mr Chopra .
Comment by vinod agrawal — July 13, 2007 @ 4:23 pm |
I’ve also sent a protest to the rediff editor criticising the lack of due respect to the music maestro in their report. Certain people might have certain reservations in mentioning OPN’s name at that programme but they (Rediff) should have paid the due respect to OPN from an independant point of view.
Haven’t read any comment from Shishirji for quite a while!!!
Comment by Abed — July 13, 2007 @ 5:32 pm |
Very humorous piece of writing by Vinodji. Regarding the unfortunate incident at JW Marriot where OPN was totally ignored, i have only to say…..
“Whether it’s Suraiyya
Or Parveen Babi
Theirs a saga of
Bollywood’s irony
You are worshipped
When in prime
Later it’s rags-to-
Riches-to rags time
And the show goes on
Unbashedly.”
Comment by arun bajaj — July 13, 2007 @ 7:10 pm |
Will do so definitely, Kaveetaaji
Comment by curao — July 13, 2007 @ 7:32 pm |
thnx for remembering me abedji…was too busy to come on the blog…if we see nayyar saheb’s career graph, he started with A grade production houses but landed at B and C graders afterwards…he used to say, OPN doesn’t need any banner as his name itself is a big banner…BR’s naya daur was the only film he got his only FF award for, but didn’t work for this banner again. and the reason is, he was not ready to work with sahir again but BR refused to avoid sahir. according to sahir’s close friend and writer/dir. abrar alvi, sahir was a blunt man who used to openly criticise the MDs. he mocked them saying, today’s MDs need a gramophone machine and a few english records to make tunes. (remember SDB also refused to work with sahir after, if i’m not wrong, pyasa?)…and then came a time when nayyar saheb found himself all alone after he parted ways from asha. and certainly there are some very serious reasons why asha has not uttered a word after his demise…i think asha’s presence was the main reason behind whatever happened during the release of coloured naya daur’s audio…a year back nayyar saheb had said to someone, ‘asha’s voice has lost the charm and she should retire now’…and asha’s reply to his opinion was that within a span of a few months after this she specially organised a show in thane where nayyar saheb was residing in his later days…
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 13, 2007 @ 10:49 pm |
ever heard lata singing OPN’s song? pl log on to http://www.indianscreen.com/songs.htm n see song no.4000…many other vv rare OPN songs are also avlbl for free download here…al d best….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 14, 2007 @ 10:06 am |
Krishna ji,
How wonderful that you were able to meet Cu Rao ji and Murthy ji..It must have been quite a fulfilling experience. I look forward to your visit to Mumbai keenly so that the Mumbai clan can meet you as well.
It was so magnanimous of you to offer funds for the ad. I have also seen the promos mentioned by Krishnan ji, and atleast on those, O P jis name has been given due credit. AS the others have suggested, the reason why this did not happen at the Launch of the music of naya daur , logically seems probable from what Shishir ji and others have assigned it to. Interference and objection from some individuals. But as Abed ji has rightly pointed out , rediff in its report not according credit to O P ji is inexcusable as well..which we have responded to.
Friends, I would suggest instead of writing private letters to the Editor, it is important that our objection is in full view on the web. Just below the article on rediff is the comment section, where Gajanan ji, Niloufer ji and I have put in our views in no uncertain terms. If others are so inclined, please do so as well.
What other measures do you all feel we should take. Please suggest.There must be a consensus on this from all…O.P. Nayyar ji will never be forgotten!!
Comment by kaveetaakaul — July 14, 2007 @ 10:36 am |
Vinod ji #633 was howlarious!! Rofl..
Could it be a strident admiration for the valour, courage, fortitude, bravery displayed by the Groom in deciding to embark into the ‘maidaan-e-jung’ of holy matrimony and hence ‘yeh desh hai veer jawaanon ka?’! lol.. No mean task,presumably ..ask any much married male and he will go into a wistful reminiscence of his bachelor days with a deep sigh! So I guess the ‘veer jawaan’ have to be celebrated.. Women are going to hate me for this.
Please do suggest what should be our Poa to evince dissatisfaction over the disrespect shown to O P ji at the event.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — July 14, 2007 @ 10:52 am |
Abed ji..where have you been? Nice to hear from you.
Arun ji.. so true. I think also those who disrespect talent or ignore contributions of a piece of work , expose more their own stinginess of mind and caliber, rather than make a dent to the genius of another..in this case o P ji. His work and its recognition remains undiminished, unchallenged and eternal.
Shishir ji, Trust you to explain the sequence of events with such clarity and authority. The whole jigsaw falls into place..
Thanks for the link in #638. It was simply FANTASTIC..What songs!!! Each one is a gem.. Friends judge for yourself. Sad that it is only audio.. should have been video as well.
Comment by kaveetaakaul — July 14, 2007 @ 11:03 am |
Kaveethaji and others,
O.P.Nayyar will not be forgotten for more reasons than one, will not be forgotten by many age groups than one.
In my age group, our liking started with Aarpaar, then Mangu, Choomantar, Musafirkhana, Shrimati 420, Baapre baap etc. The lilt that was there in songs of those films, those singers incl. Geetha and Shamshad, the exhilarating tunes which continued upto and culminated in Tumsa nahin dekha(with a few exceptions) are still remembered by us and often reminisced. Banner and and star value were not of his concern, nor ours, as you can see that most of those films have johny walker as hero or at least one of the leading actors.
The later films had a diffrent genre of songs which we like too, because by that time we were literally addicted to OP. It may not be the same case with many OPN fans here also, as the belong to a later generation.
He will be forever remembered
Comment by curao — July 15, 2007 @ 9:45 am |
Kaveethaji and others,
(#642)…no doubt OPN was a great singer (n same was sajjad)…but all the big names were annoyed with the attitude and big-mouth they had…in my previous post i wrote this indirectly because sometimes i feel i shud not be so vocal…but now…!
film making is a team work where rigidness and ego has no place if one wants to work with standards…otherwise one gets thrown at the last place of people’s preference list…(n the proof is, BR preferred SAHIR then and ASHA now)…ultimately one lands among those who could satisfy one’s ego OR whom one can dominate n dictate…cn any polite and attitude/egoless creator (no matter how big he is) throw Rafi n the great sarangi player Pt.Ramnarayan out of the recording room just bcoz they wr late? never, if he has respect for others too…unfortunately this happened here…and such a behaviour leaves ‘one’ all alone after one’s time gets over….on the other side i agree that ‘opn’ was itself a big banner that’s why i’m still in search of more n more his songs….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 15, 2007 @ 10:36 am |
sorry…pl read OPN was a great composer in #643….
Comment by shishir krishna sharma — July 15, 2007 @ 11:24 am |
Shishir Krishna Sharmaji,
You have been providing wonderful insights to help us understand the behaviour of so